Low use jeep needed

irishguy19772

Based in Clare and looking for a jeep for occasional moving of horsebox, cattle box

I am looking for 06 to 08. Was focusing on hiluxes and landcruisers but is there anything else you could recommend?

Budget is around 8500

Grueller

Dmax. Savagely reliable if not the most comfortable of the pickups. I do 15000 miles a year in one and have no issues with comfort or reliability. It's an 06 and has cost virtually nothing in repairs.

Charolois 19

Have a discovery 3 here, been honest it's my private and farming wagon, Pay no heed of all the talk of them been money pits, mine tows like a train and a higher towing capacity than a land cruiser ( open to correction on that was the cpc instructor said it to me) had a few of them with no problems. this one 5 years and all she got was an alternator and regular service, probably doing 27ish with trailer to the gallon 32/33 without. And when I decide to change will be another one, altho hopefully a 4 next time

maidhc

03 landcruiser 95 here. I paid 7500 for it 6/7 years ago with 95k. On 145 now so it does small miles. Even though it had a perfect service history when I got it, it still relieves me of about €1000 a year in maintenance.

9935452

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117891902#Comment_117891902

Most that are farming do cost that a year .

A friend has a 10 dmax . Tgat would be up and down cow passages a lot and it suffers as a result.

Ball joints , universal joints in the drive shafts , brakes, shocks , rubber mounts for shocks , broken leaf springs are the things that seem to need attention for the test.

We normally do the work ourselves

irishguy19772

What ye make of. Ford kuga? No off road stuff and think I would be covered with pulling 1 horse and box or 1 cow and box towing weight wise

_Brian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902239#Comment_117902239

We have a Kuga 4 years.

tow double horsebox, 8*5 cattle trailer. Really good “car” to tow. I’ve towed our caravan down to the alps and back with it no problems at all.

irishguy19772

Thanks Brian. Was looking at towing capacity and it is 1500 kg. Pulling a 505 horse trailer which is around 900 kg and I reckon I am fine for a mare and foal for around the 600kg.

Will look into it.

AckwelFoley

Just bought a 181 DMAX. I love it more than my wife and just below my kids.

Version I have has nice spec inside bit there basic ones would do

There are some 08 and 09 Dmax out there on dung deal. Some very clean. Single cab are particularly reasonably priced

AckwelFoley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902393#Comment_117902393

Just a word to the wise. If your horsebox is the same as ours..ie 2700kg capacity- you're over the permitted towing capacity of the Kuga which is about 2000kg

kevthegaff

I have leaf springs on my 08 hilux, are they a good job

Hard Knocks

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902473#Comment_117902473

I find the more weight on the bed the better they work

Generally a leaf goes every year on ours, but we do be pulling 1/2 full loads on bad roads with no weight on the bed

It’s the disadvantage of the pickup

irishguy19772

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902454#Comment_117902454

I have a 505 ifor Williams box. Looked up weight and was 900kg roughly unloaded.

AckwelFoley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902674#Comment_117902674

Yes. But that's not the weight that's considered. It's the gross vehicle weight, which essentially it the total potential weight of the trailer.. ie when full. So towing an empty horsebox, while you're under the weight the guard will be looking for the GVM weight

(Not to mention, you would need a BE licence to tow this trailer - the Gross weight of car and trailer would be over 3500kg)

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902698#Comment_117902698

This is correct Irishguy. It’s not the weight of what’s actually in the trailer they look at, unless they think you’re overloaded, but the weight the trailer is designed to carry.

In the case of your trailer that will be somewhere about 2700kg’s. So technically a Kuga cannot legally pull that trailer even if the trailer’s empty.

Now I’ve never seen the guards to be over rigorous in enforcing that but like everything it’s all ok until there’s an accident or something like that. An insurance company will always look for any kind of technicality to get out of paying out on a claim.

_Brian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902454#Comment_117902454

Yea.

ive no BE either so I’m flying the wrong side anyway 🙄

_Brian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903541#Comment_117903541

Yea, I fully understand how the system works. I’m breaking the law, I know that.

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903575#Comment_117903575

Yea I’d say 90% of jeeps and trailers on the road are breaking the law in one way or another. I think unless you’re really taking the p**s the guards seem to just turn a blind eye. Stick to the speed limit and keep the jeep and trailer in reasonably good condition and you’ll never be noticed.

AckwelFoley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903902#Comment_117903902

Yeah. Anyone with a Landcruiser and a 3.5 tonne livestock or plant trailer are overweight. I didn't realise it, but Landcruisers short or long wheelbase only have a towing capacity of 3000kg which rules out alot of common trailers.

As you said, there are countless numbers breaking the law. My only concern would be in the case of an accident. Insurance companies might look for any reason to not pay your damages..

Albert Johnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903959#Comment_117903959

I think the older pre 03 models had a towing rate of 3500kg but were down graded to 3000kg and possibly 2500kg afterwards in later models. 3000kg isn't a whole pile when you're hauling livestock especially cattle, any decent trailer is a tonne or more before you start.

DBK1

Yea I think an I for Williams 12 x 6 is about 1200kgs empty. That leaves you with 1800kgs for your load so 3 stores is all you’re legally allowed into it.

AckwelFoley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117904546#Comment_117904546

Between 1050 and 1250, the latter if its tri axle.

The irony of a tri axle is you can carry less weight even though its more stable on the road. Ultimately its the weight of the 2 wheels and the axles and leaf springs that increases trailer weight and therefore decreases payload

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903541#Comment_117903541

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902698#Comment_117902698

What you put up is incorrect. It's the gross weight your vehicle allows you to tow you have to follow not the design load of the trailer regulation below

https://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Your-Vehicle/About-your-Vehicle/Example-of-non-Dup/Trailers-/What-can-my-vehicle-tow-/

AckwelFoley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117906949#Comment_117906949

You're correct- but on the licencing end it's definitely Max authorised mass.. so if you're pulling a 3500kg trailer empty on a small suv and don't have a BE licence even though you're not over the combined weight if you were weighed, the MAM of the trailer is considered not the actural weight of the trailer

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117907272#Comment_117907272

At this stage if you are towing a braked trailer you need a BE Lucien e anyway. The reason is the 3.5 T limit is so good day to breach anyway. Any SUV that will pull 2T will be over 2T laden a Kuga is 2.13 T gross weight. At that stage an empty trailer has you at 3T anyway.

I would presume anyone towing a cattle trailer has a BE licience, I think it an automatic 5 points if you are caught towing a trailer that requires it without one.

AckwelFoley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117907335#Comment_117907335

For a farmer the braked trailer is probably a fair benchmark but it's not the brakes that set the limit. In practice it is for most farmers, but your standard SUV can pull most single axle caravans which will still be under the 3500kg limit...just ..and are designed to be so

Reality is, most farmers have trailers between 2 and the 3500kg tonne limit.. reality is most farmers need the BE... do most have it? Doubt it to he honest

_Brian

Most single axle caravans are braked too.

am waiting a long time on BE test, covid has made terrible delays.

see in the U.K. they went back to giving the BE to everyone as of 20th sept without a test, it’s automatic with the B

AckwelFoley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117907419#Comment_117907419

All caravans are braked as they will be over 750kg bar its some sort of camping tent type thing

Yes. Very envious of UK drivers on this one. I'm in the process of getting the licence too

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117907375#Comment_117907375

Any unbraked trailer is limited to 750 kgs therefore you cannot use one to carry stock to any great extent. I be surprised if most lads do not have a BE licience at this stage. Most farmers in there 50's would have it automatically if they applied when the new licience came in back in the 90's, there was even amnesty after and lads got a second bite of the cherry.

_Brian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117907864#Comment_117907864

I’m not quite 50, missed the automatic BE by short time.

id say the number of lads under 50 with BE is small enough. Less than half I’d say. I know of my peers I’m friendly with one has done the BE test and most surprised I’ve applied.

watching the Garda Twitter page it does come up but typically the person has been stopped for speeding, poor loading, no lights etc first. Guard said to me one day if your going abkut your business and looking like your right your very unlikely to be stopped. Have gone through many checkpoints here and in France with the caravan and never ever asked about it.

Timmaay

I'd say the number of lads under 50 with a BE license is more like 20% lol. I know I'm guilty ha, but at the point now where I avoid pulling a trailer as much as I can, sell calves out of the yard, lorry to the mart with cows etc.

Easten

No BE either. I used to be able to go to the Mart with the Jeep and trailer but now I'm illegal to do so. But I am legal to use the Tractor and Trailer and have a half a mile of a traffic jam behind me when I go now.

9935452

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117907335#Comment_117907335

Out of curiosity , which offense is that.

As far as i know there are no offenses that give you automatic 5 points

_Brian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117908612#Comment_117908612

I’m going to try the test and see how it goes, I’ll take a lesson or two first.

not too fussed either way, took my B test 32 years ago so I’m sure I’ve developed some bad habits that I’m sure will make it hard.

if I get it, great, if not it won’t make any difference, I’ll just keep doing same as I am now.

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117909817#Comment_117909817

Your insurance is invalidated if you haven't a proper license so it's probably 5 points for the combined offences, no license and no insurance

Fbd have said you're insured third party in their policy even without the proper license

9935452

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117910043#Comment_117910043

Thats not sn automatic 5 points though. Its a court appearance and 5 on conviction.

And as you say the likes of fbd say you are insured regardless. I believe this is because of the 3rd party obligation clause of the insurance

Grueller

To me not having the BE licence is the same as no CVRT, tax or driving on green diesel. There is no comfort in going anywhere with the trailers if you don't have it. You are always watching for check points, wondering will insurance cover if an accident happens etc.

I did that test about 6 years ago. Theory test, wait 6 months, apply for test, two lessons to iron out bad habits and then do the test. It's easy enough pass once you can reverse a trailer around a corner.

Just do it and have the comfort of it.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117909817#Comment_117909817

Sorry I am incorrect it's a court summons, technically a guard can seize the vehicle if incorrect licience. This actually happened to a lad with an artic. What happened this lad was he had his young lad in the jeep with his not the in a car seat. He actually had a learner permit. Got 7 points for driving unaccompanied, child not in appropriate car seat and not displaying a L plate.

It's unusual that a Guard will give multiple point at the one check but this one did. This lad had two points for speeding as well. It virtually put him off the road.

AckwelFoley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117910043#Comment_117910043

Yea. FBD aren't being legends here. They have to by law if memory serves me correctly .

There's a legalisation to some extent and a fancy name for it I can't recall. Insurance companies can't take your money and then use any breach of contract they can find to get out of it. The default is usually covering the damages of the 3rd party but your 40k jeep is scrapped

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117910277#Comment_117910277

Cant be summonsed for having no insurance so if you have any sort of insurance

9935452

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117910189#Comment_117910189

That doesnt really add up tbh

Id question him getting 7 points for multiple offences at the same checkpoint.

Its in legislation that you can only get the one set of points for multiple offences, whichever offence gives the higher amount .http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2002/act/12/section/2/enacted/en/html

Penalty points for driving unaccompanied only came in in the last few years. Yet you say he had 2 points from speeding . Its been 3 for years .

_Brian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117910277#Comment_117910277

Just to clarify this is incorrect.

I was directly involved in a case where FBD at the last minute, in the four courts, voided a vehicle insurance policy and left the owner carry 100% of the costs involved.

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117910433#Comment_117910433

Yea I didn’t think that was possible either. I think them type of cases are more likely pub chat that grows legs.

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117910441#Comment_117910441

And I know a case they needn't have paid but did

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117910433#Comment_117910433

This was 7-8+ years back not the present day. Back then I think it was up to the Gardai whether he gave you tickets for multiple offences. I think since it has been changed and you can get points for only one offence. At the same time they increased points for offences. He got virtually put off the road on that one occasion.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117910613#Comment_117910613

I think but I cannot be absolutely sure but where an insurance policy is void, the insurer managed the claim for the MIB and the claim is sorted between the Insurance company and MIB after. If the claim.is substantial, ai think the insurer may not follow this policy.

I do know that a lad that was working either for the ESB or Eircom tokd me once that he was involved in a major accident that got real messy, his insurer approached his employer ( the company self insured) to find out if he was ever at fault or even involved in an motor accident related to work