broken sewer - storm water pipe

Mad_maxx

this involves a storm water drain but existing pipe is the orange sewer pipe as opposed to the often used black pipe

anyway , need to bridge what is now two pipes which are already laid in both soil on one end and set in concrete the other , I cleaned back with a shovel as much as i can but would need either a kango on one side or a mini digger on the other

bridging the two with a repair collar each and a length of orange wavin is proving difficult , is there any new kind of collar on the market which is more flexible and user friendly ?

this is what I have but not user friendly

https://www.heatmerchants.ie/wavin-110mm-sewer-repair-collar-ui5112

The Continental Op

Lots of washing up liquid or silicone lube and those collars move easily on the pipe.

If its storm water then just a length of pipe cut all the way down the side can be fitted over very easily leaving the split at the top then taped up and concreted over. No one is going to be pressure testing a storm drain.

If the problem is not being able to get something around the pipe at the conctrete end this might help https://www.screwfix.ie/p/mcalpine-dc1-bl-drain-connector-black-110mm/4255V . Far from ideal and will reduce the flow and get in the way if you need to rod the drain anytime.

Calahonda52

https://www.screwfix.ie/p/floplast-flexi-adaptor-160mm/1009V?gclid=CjwKCAjw_o-HBhAsEiwANqYhp0LJFqKQK03yK6UCEetzs70iioMoQyJdwptPgwXGMeO3LqNxD0achhoCOe0QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

easier to work with but as noted, plenty KY jelly or similar:)

Mad_maxx

https://www.screwfix.ie/p/floplast-underground-flexible-adaptor-110mm/19914?gclid=CjwKCAjw_o-HBhAsEiwANqYhp66KxpLS3-hVC0Hj0DLQQiprC1ZSS5eU7d5jB2w92OsmsBTfGjJKnRoC6SEQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

ordered this earlier , hopefully as good as the options presented above ?

The Continental Op

Mad_maxx wrote: »

https://www.screwfix.ie/p/floplast-underground-flexible-adaptor-110mm/19914?gclid=CjwKCAjw_o-HBhAsEiwANqYhp66KxpLS3-hVC0Hj0DLQQiprC1ZSS5eU7d5jB2w92OsmsBTfGjJKnRoC6SEQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

ordered this earlier , hopefully as good as the options presented above ?

tbh if you can get that over the end of the pipe and make a good seal then you can just as easily use the slip collar.

Just to be sure here, you know a slip collar goes all the way over the new bit of pipe at each end with lots of lubrication and is then they are pushed back over the existing pipe. Appologies if I'm teaching you to suck eggs

You do need to champher the ends off all the pipes and have them nice a clean. Helps to mark the new pipe a little way back from the ends so you know how far to push the collars.

If you are not sure this shows you how to do it.

Mad_maxx

The Continental Op wrote: »

tbh if you can get that over the end of the pipe and make a good seal then you can just as easily use the slip collar.

Just to be sure here, you know a slip collar goes all the way over the new bit of pipe at each end with lots of lubrication and is then they are pushed back over the existing pipe. Appologies if I'm teaching you to suck eggs

You do need to champher the ends off all the pipes and have them nice a clean. Helps to mark the new pipe a little way back from the ends so you know how far to push the collars.

If you are not sure this shows you how to do it.

guy in that video has play in the pipes he is bridging , i dont , my two pipes are completely rigid bar being able to move up and down slightly but i cant move either over and back as a few feet back on each side they are covered in earth and concrete on one side as it goes through a wall , hence the difficult getting the second one into the repair - slip collar

i do need to file the end of the wavin pipe though so thanks for the video

policarp

Mad_maxx wrote: »

guy in that video has play in the pipes he is bridging , i dont , my two pipes are completely rigid bar being able to move up and down slightly but i cant move either over and back as a few feet back on each side they are covered in earth and concrete on one side as it goes through a wall , hence the difficult getting the second one into the repair - slip collar

i do need to file the end of the wavin pipe though so thanks for the video

I think you will need 2 slip collars.
Cut about a foot or 18 inches off the pipe and chamfer.
then slip the repair collars over the existing pipe ends.
Then fit repair piece between and slip both collars in place.
Hope that makes sense.

Mad_maxx

policarp wrote: »

I think you will need 2 slip collars.
Cut about a foot or 18 inches off the pipe and chamfer.
then slip the repair collars over the existing pipe ends.
Then fit repair piece between and slip both collars in place.
Hope that makes sense.

I have two repair collars already but you have to manuvere the pipes well up into the collars and while not a problem with the first pipe you do it with , not so easy with the second one when you cant move the pipe as its set in concrete a few feet back

hesker

A picture would help. As suggested above 2 slip collars and a new straight section just longer than the combined length of the 2 collars should see you sorted.

That’s assuming the gap you have to bridge can be made to be slightly wider than the length of 2 collars.

The Continental Op

If you are really screwed then take the rubber seal out of one of the slip collars and concrete that end of the pipe in place when you have made the joint.

Edit, again may be a little too obvious, but I'll say it anyway, you put the slip collars over the new piece of pipe you are using because its nice and clean. Then you slide them over the existing ends of the pipe.

policarp

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I have two repair collars already but you have to manuvere the pipes well up into the collars and while not a problem with the first pipe you do it with , not so easy with the second one when you cant move the pipe as its set in concrete a few feet back

Use a longer repair piece of pipe.
More flexibility.

chooseusername

OOPs don't know how to delete this post

but the link is on the post below.

Clay pipes, but the principle is the same.

Some couplers or connectors have lugs that can be knocked out to allow them

to be used as repair collars or slip collars.

https://www.screwfix.ie/p/floplast-underground-pipe-coupling-double-socket-110mm/17823?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgerYoerl8QIVvWDmCh3--ADmEAQYBiABEgJNGvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

chooseusername

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3ojmG1_0v0