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Moving to another EU country temporarily to escape lockdown

  • 05-07-2021 1:22am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭


    I'm thinking of moving to somewhere in the EU as Ireland seems to be going in reverse in terms of lockdown. Just as a temporary move and then return when things get back to a certain degree of normality and we can be somewhat hopeful a return to lockdown won't happen. I can work remotely in my job. I have an EHIC card and medical insurance that covers medical treatment abroad. I'm also fully vaccinated.

    Just wondering has anyone done this and where did you go?
    What did you do for accommodation? Aibbnb or a daft equivalent?
    I know there's free movement in the EU, but can you just show up in any EU country and stay for a few months or for what's considered longer than a normal holiday?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    On airbnb you can select long term stays minimum of 4 weeks. I'd book somewhere for 4 weeks and see how you get on. Maybe go to a different country after 4 weeks and book there for 4 weeks. You can work remotely so the choice is yours.

    Delta is spreading across Europe so you can't rule out restrictions being added again in another country until enough are vaccinated. Portugal I believe has recently added a curfew for some areas. I think Greece has said they won't do any more lockdowns but I'm not sure what if any restrictions they still have. Enjoy yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,974 ✭✭✭acequion


    You could rent an appartment or Air BnB pretty much anywhere in the EU and off you go for as long as you like.

    I own an appartment in Spain and would give my right arm to get away from here and spend months over there but I can't due to work and family commitments here. But I will be spending a few weeks there this summer and have already been there recently.

    Life is a million times more normal over there. It's sensible living with Covid, such as distancing and sanitising. Compulsory outdoor mask wearing has now been lifted so just wear one in public places indoors. But other than that everything is open and life is going on pleasantly in lovely weather without the constant hysteria and scare mongering that we're subjected to here.Does wonders for the mental health.

    If you can work remotely you're sorted, so I'd say go for it!


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,718 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    crazy 88 wrote: »
    I know there's free movement in the EU, but can you just show up in any EU country and stay for a few months or for what's considered longer than a normal holiday?

    FMOP, gives you a right to:
    - To move to an EU/EEA/CH state for up to three months to seek employment in that state and if justified to extend the period for up to six months.
    - To move to an EU/EEA/CH state to take up employment in that state
    - To move to an EU/EEA/CH state to establish a business in that state
    - To move to an EU/EEA/CH state for the purpose of family reunification
    - To move to an EU/EEA/CH state in retirement, if you have sufficient funds
    - There is a right to travel and work for short periods in anEU/EEA/CH state for business purposes

    And that is it. There is no right of general movement nor to work remotely. You need to fall into one of the above categories to legally move to one of the EU/EEA/CH states.

    Most of Europe is administered under civil law and the napoleonic code. This concentrates administration in the locality in terms of tax collection etc.. And there are requirements for individual registration, reporting by landlords, hoteliers and others offering accommodation of occupancy details. This usually kicks in after 3 months, which is in line with the end of the period in which you are entitled to seek work as mentioned above. From then on you are subject to local tax law, social security, healthcare, pension law etc…

    So generally speaking you can fly under the radar for about three months, but you need to research the specific requirements in each location as rules can vary between locations as well as countries.

    It is important to understand that you are responsible for proving that you are in compliance of rules, not the authorities to prove you did not. So retain receipts, travel tickets etc in case you need them.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,718 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    I’m not sure if it is a great idea….

    We are likely to see local lockdowns in Europe for sometime and being in lockdown on your own in a foreign country where you don’t speak the language is not to be recommended especially if you become sick.

    I know two expats in Zürich who did it and both said never again. Complete isolation 24x7 was too much.


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm not sure what you would be escaping from, sure everything is much the same here?
    Except indoor dining, sure you probably wouldn't do that somewhere warm anyway.
    If ya just fancy getting away, who wouldn't?! I would just be wary of local lockdowns being brought in, in other countries.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    acequion wrote: »

    Life is a million times more normal over there. It's sensible living with Covid, such as distancing and sanitising. Compulsory outdoor mask wearing has now been lifted so just wear one in public places indoors. But other than that everything is open and life is going on pleasantly in lovely weather without the constant hysteria and scare mongering that we're subjected to here.Does wonders for the mental health.

    If you can work remotely you're sorted, so I'd say go for it!
    Compulsory outdoor mask wearing was never a requirement here.

    The only real restrictions here are indoor dining and indoor drinking.

    It's the media hysteria that is probably the worse


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ireland isn't in lockdown OP.

    No indoor dining doesn't equate lockdown. Full lockdowns are long gone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,089 ✭✭✭BeepBeep67


    Worth exploring any taxation implications of living (even if temporarily) in a different jurisdiction to where your salary is paid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,408 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns


    BeepBeep67 wrote: »
    Worth exploring any taxation implications of living (even if temporarily) in a different jurisdiction to where your salary is paid.

    For a regular Joe soap There are none for temporary living. (Less than 183 days)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,957 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    How often did you used to go to the pub/restaurant before covid OP? Unless you were a very high frequency patron, I don't know why you'd feel very put out by the level of restrictions here.

    Ireland isn't in lockdown, despite what Twitter might tell you.

    This is up there with stupid posts like "I'm leaving if X becomes Taoiseach". Sure :rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,112 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    crazy 88 wrote: »
    I know there's free movement in the EU, but can you just show up in any EU country and stay for a few months or for what's considered longer than a normal holiday?

    Further to what Jim2007 posted above, you need to remember that other than the duration being longer than a normal holiday, you would still effectively be having nothing more than a long holiday. This means that your experience will be that of a holidaymaker, not that of a resident.

    I live "somewhere in the EU" and have been fortunate in that the various measures have had almost no (negative) effect on my way of life - but that wouldn't be the same for any visitors, if they could get here. Listening to local news means I'm aware of changes coming and can adjust in advance; and local knowledge combined with independent transport means I can benefit from ... loopholes :rolleyes: ... when necessary.

    There's also a heck of a lot of "normal" that's been moved online, for which you have to create accounts and provide a residential address, which is no big deal when you're already in the system and speak the language; but it means there's no real person in a real office where temporarily resident foreigners can call in and sort stuff out with broken English and hand gestures.

    And don't forget that what passes for "normal" is what got us into this situation in the first place, and countries/regions/towns that are rushing to get back to that are seeing spikes in infection rates. Even if your vaccination protects you from illness, you might well find yourself corralled in a country from which you can't escape except to go back to Ireland.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A friend moved to Spain at the start of the year, all was great for the first few weeks. Then they locked down much harder than here, not understanding the lingo he did not know! Until almost being arrested for jogging along a beach without a mask. Which was made worse for being outside his local area lockdown limit.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sweden is the obvious choice, in my opinion. Never had any lockdown (or local lockdowns for that matter despite what the media would have you believe). I was there earlier this year. Life is normal there save for a few light touch recommendations. There was a recommendation to wear a mask at certain times on public transport, but that was mostly ignored. That recommendation was lifted a few days ago.

    There are a few other countries the OP might consider. When I went to Sweden it was the only country in Europe really where life was near normal. But Iceland lifted all the restrictions a few weeks ago, and Denmark scrapped masks and other restrictions a few weeks ago too. So maybe the OP could consider a few other countries too.

    I think it'd be a good idea to get away for a while. Too much hysteria in Ireland. Plus, the weather would be good in Sweden now. When I was there it was very cold. And there'd be no language barrier there either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,155 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    BeepBeep67 wrote: »
    Worth exploring any taxation implications of living (even if temporarily) in a different jurisdiction to where your salary is paid.
    For a regular Joe soap There are none for temporary living. (Less than 183 days)

    There can be significant costs for an employer though. No point in moving to another country and then finding out that your employer doesn't have an office there so there are massive tax costs for them, which means that you now can't work for your employer in your new country.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    How often did you used to go to the pub/restaurant before covid OP? Unless you were a very high frequency patron, I don't know why you'd feel very put out by the level of restrictions here.

    Ireland isn't in lockdown, despite what Twitter might tell you.

    This is up there with stupid posts like "I'm leaving if X becomes Taoiseach". Sure :rolleyes:

    It mightn't be in lockdown, but the restrictions are extremely draconian. There's no spontaneity in or to life anymore in Ireland. Can't go anywhere without a mask, can't pop into a place if you just fancy it. Everything has to be planned.

    In Sweden you can pop into a café or a restaurant, are greeted with a smile (people shouldn't underestimate how nice it is to see a person smile as opposed to being greeted by a mask and/or a face shield) and life is enjoyable there as a result.

    So, for me, Sweden is the obvious choice.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,718 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    For a regular Joe soap There are none for temporary living. (Less than 183 days)

    The 183 day rule is the most common used and quoted, but there are further serious of checks that can be applied if you are deliberately trying to evade taxes.

    Furthermore you are not normally considered a tourist after 90 days in a location and as such you can be subject to local 'taxes' for the want of a better word. For example in some of the alpine resorts you are subject to local charges for maintenance of public facilities etc...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,408 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns


    Jim2007 wrote: »
    The 183 day rule is the most common used and quoted, but there are further serious of checks that can be applied if you are deliberately trying to evade taxes.

    Furthermore you are not normally considered a tourist after 90 days in a location and as such you can be subject to local 'taxes' for the want of a better word. For example in some of the alpine resorts you are subject to local charges for maintenance of public facilities etc...

    Agreed..as I said for the normal joe soap, not engaged in ulterior motives its ok, and they wouldnt be there to the 183 limit anyway. FWIW I have woirked abvorad for both under and over the 183 days in the past fully compliant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭manonboard


    May i suggest Finland OP,

    I'm living here. It's been brilliant. The summer and autumn is absolutely beautiful, and you can leave for the winter.
    The society has been near completely open since all the beginning of this pandemic. A few weeks here and there of restaurants closed, but largely everything has been going well since the beginning and its only getting better now.

    We still use face masks, but its getting less and less because the numbers are so low and nearly everyone is vaccinated.


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It mightn't be in lockdown, but the restrictions are extremely draconian. There's no spontaneity in or to life anymore in Ireland. Can't go anywhere without a mask, can't pop into a place if you just fancy it. Everything has to be planned.
    .

    I went to cork on Saturday, went to a match in thurles Saturday evening, had food and drinks Saturday night. Went to a few shops Sunday, where I did wear a mask but that's not a big deal.
    None of that was planned until Friday?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,205 ✭✭✭✭Caranica


    I agree with many of the others, there's no lockdown to escape here. You're about six months too late. Cost and inconvenience alone, topped with unfamiliarity with local restrictions in other countries makes me advise you to stay at home.


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,718 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Del2005 wrote: »
    No point in moving to another country and then finding out that your employer doesn't have an office there so there are massive tax costs for them, which means that you now can't work for your employer in your new country.

    I keep hearing this and I don't know the root for it. There are provision under FMOP to employ people in other states without having to have offices there and it is an insufficient reason to establish residency for corporate tax purposes. And furthermore the PAYE system allows for the payment of wages gross in such circumstances.

    I don't know it is a common misunderstanding or a common/convenient excuse for employers who don't want the hassle of having to deal with it.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    bubblypop wrote: »
    I went to cork on Saturday, went to a match in thurles Saturday evening, had food and drinks Saturday night. Went to a few shops Sunday, where I did wear a mask but that's not a big deal.
    None of that was planned until Friday?

    Do you think life in Ireland is comparable with life in Sweden? You can't even turn on RTÉ without seeing a condescending 'Stay Safe' message in the top right of the screen.

    I guarantee you there's none of the hysteria in Ireland about variants in Sweden. From reading the OP's post they appear to want to escape the hysteria in Ireland.

    Another country the OP might consider is England. From the 19th of July that is. That's if the restrictions are lifted there.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Caranica wrote: »
    I agree with many of the others, there's no lockdown to escape here. You're about six months too late. Cost and inconvenience alone, topped with unfamiliarity with local restrictions in other countries makes me advise you to stay at home.

    But there are countries where there are no restrictions. Sweden, Iceland and Denmark (still being somewhat phased out, but more or less restrictions free), for example.


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Do you think life in Ireland is comparable with life in Sweden? You can't even turn on RTÉ without seeing a condescending 'Stay Safe' message in the top right of the screen.

    I guarantee you there's none of the hysteria in Ireland about variants in Sweden. From reading the OP's post they appear to want to escape the hysteria in Ireland.

    Another country the OP might consider is England. From the 19th of July that is. That's if the restrictions are lifted there.

    I don't really watch rte, and I wouldn't care what 'the media' are doing, I just am aware of the restrictions and there really isn't any left as such.
    The only hysteria I see is people complaining about non existent restrictions at this stage!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,155 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    Gortanna wrote: »
    Do you think life in Ireland is comparable with life in Sweden? You can't even turn on RTÉ without seeing a condescending 'Stay Safe' message in the top right of the screen.

    I guarantee you there's none of the hysteria in Ireland about variants in Sweden. From reading the OP's post they appear to want to escape the hysteria in Ireland.

    Another country the OP might consider is England. From the 19th of July that is. That's if the restrictions are lifted there.

    The underlined pieces are your opinion, to which u are 100% entitled, however you are not entitled to repeatedly poison the discourse with your opinions without some consequences.
    .
    The message is on the TV screen, you are making it mean whatever you want it to mean that ties in with your current hobby horse.
    I wonder what you you make it mean if you were gasping for air on a ventilator, being looked after by underpaid, over worked hospital staff.
    Dont bother replying, you are on my ignore list once I press send

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    Do you think life in Ireland is comparable with life in Sweden? You can't even turn on RTÉ without seeing a condescending 'Stay Safe' message in the top right of the screen.

    I guarantee you there's none of the hysteria in Ireland about variants in Sweden. From reading the OP's post they appear to want to escape the hysteria in Ireland.

    Another country the OP might consider is England. From the 19th of July that is. That's if the restrictions are lifted there.

    Watching RTE is not compulsory. There is plenty of news about variants on all media including mainstream UK and US.
    I dislike the lockdown and I do think some restrictions are over cautious but that is a million miles from hysteria.

    In terms of moving to another country would the UK not be a better option. The common travel area still exists.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    Move somewhere sunny and get away from the rain and the persistent lockdown. Ignore the lockdown deniers on here. I’m in Portugal now, we’ve had a step back due to delta, but even under what they call “curfew” it’s far more open than Ireland. Everything open here, pubs close at 10.30 for the next few weeks though..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    bubblypop wrote: »
    The only hysteria I see is people complaining about non existent restrictions at this stage!


    You can’t even nip out of the rain to get a sandwhich in Ireland.


  • Posts: 596 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is up there with stupid posts like "I'm leaving if X becomes Taoiseach". Sure :rolleyes:

    Dunno about X, not sure on their policies, but if we allow people who support terrorism to become Taoiseach, then yes, I'm leaving.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭xper


    Since it is mentioned in the opening post, I’d also advise the OP to check the T&Cs of their travel/health insurance. Policies have strict limits on the number of consecutive days or total annual days that are covered. In addition, the EHIC is not “unlimited free public healthcare across the EU” - check it’s applicability in the country of choice first.

    This is a temporary measure? Just considering the other crisis, housing, we are dealing with in this country right now. You’re going to continue paying rent/mortgage here to secure a place to come back to on top of an Airbnb in the EU? More power to you if you can afford that

    And I’d also echo the question of what are you escaping. The main restrictions left are on socialising and you’re solving this by moving away from friends and family to an unfamiliar country where you may or may not speak the local language?


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,718 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Gortanna wrote: »
    Do you think life in Ireland is comparable with life in Sweden? You can't even turn on RTÉ without seeing a condescending 'Stay Safe' message in the top right of the screen.

    I guarantee you there's none of the hysteria in Ireland about variants in Sweden. From reading the OP's post they appear to want to escape the hysteria in Ireland.

    Another country the OP might consider is England. From the 19th of July that is. That's if the restrictions are lifted there.

    You could always just stop watching RTE, the cheap option. A lot of it is in your head, if know the local language and listen to the local TV & Radio, you'll find it is much of a muchness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    Valhallapt wrote: »
    Move somewhere sunny and get away from the rain and the persistent lockdown. Ignore the lockdown deniers on here. I’m in Portugal now, we’ve had a step back due to delta, but even under what they call “curfew” it’s far more open than Ireland. Everything open here, pubs close at 10.30 for the next few weeks though..


    It didn’t rain for almost the entire month of June. Everywhere was buzzing.

    What are some examples of the ‘persistent lockdown’ you’re going on and on about?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    It didn’t rain for almost the entire month of June. Everywhere was buzzing.

    What are some examples of the ‘persistent lockdown’ you’re going on and on about?

    I was in Ireland it June, it was pretty nice to be fair. I ate out a lot also.

    The OP wants to move abroad for a few weeks to escape Ireland, he’s asking for advice. Instead he’s being told that Ireland isn’t in lockdown, just turn off the tv and radio, he’s imagining the restrictions, and that he has no rights to move abroad. That’s just people with Stockholm syndrome.

    OP you are an EU citizen and you are entitled to freely roam around Europe. Yes there are limits that apply to state benefits and tax implications, but nothing stopping you from spending a month or two in Spain then moving up to France for a month or two then moving up to Finland for a month or two. Stop thinking about it and just do it!

    If you go over 186 days in one country they have a right to tax you and your employer might not allow such things, but you don’t necessarily need to tell them everything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    Valhallapt wrote: »
    I was in Ireland it June, it was pretty nice to be fair. I ate out a lot also.

    The OP wants to move abroad for a few weeks to escape Ireland, he’s asking for advice. Instead he’s being told that Ireland isn’t in lockdown, just turn off the tv and radio, he’s imagining the restrictions, and that he has no rights to move abroad. That’s just people with Stockholm syndrome.

    OP you are an EU citizen and you are entitled to freely roam around Europe. Yes there are limits that apply to state benefits and tax implications, but nothing stopping you from spending a month or two in Spain then moving up to France for a month or two then moving up to Finland for a month or two. Stop thinking about it and just do it!

    If you go over 186 days in one country they have a right to tax you and your employer might not allow such things, but you don’t necessarily need to tell them everything.

    Yeah buy what are some examples of the persistent lockdown? We are not in any sort of lockdown. Indoor dining and boozing aside, everything is as before. Portugal is introducing curfew, stay at home orders, serious trouble coming. They’ve looking at full on actual lockdown before end of summer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    Yeah buy what are some examples of the persistent lockdown? We are not in any sort of lockdown. Indoor dining and boozing aside, everything is as before. Portugal is introducing curfew, stay at home orders, serious trouble coming. They’ve looking at full on actual lockdown before end of summer.

    Don’t know where you getting your info. I’ve been in Portugal 10 days now and it’s far more open that anything I’ve experienced in Ireland.

    The poor Portuguese people don’t have saint Tony to protect them from themselves.

    Ireland has had the longest strictest lockdown in Europe. I cannot sit indoors and have a coffee in Ireland. I cannot visit relatives in hospital in Ireland. Pregnant mothers have to campaign on the streets to allow their husbands into the maternity ward. Everywhere in Europe has had restrictions of a temporary nature, Ireland has kept places closed for a very long time. Watching stadia across Europe with spectators while Ireland runs test events..

    Portugal has reintroduced some temporary measures, the net effect of which is still being more open than Ireland.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭0lddog


    crazy 88 wrote: »
    I'm thinking of moving to somewhere in the EU as Ireland seems to be going in reverse in terms of lockdown. Just as a temporary move ...

    If you have the freedom to do it then dont delay, just do it.

    What languages are you comfortable with ?

    You may find that the move is more than temporary :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭jakiah


    Indoor dining and boozing aside, everything is as before.
    What?


    My office is closed. My favourite pub is closed. (and looks like its gone out of business). All of the arts (theatre, music, dance etc.) is closed. There are no festivals other than these freak caged test-events. So few people are allowed into sports grounds its impossible to get a ticket for the football, theyve actually reduced allowed numbers from the test events. Colleges are closed. Sure some restaurants are open outdoor only, but not all, and its impossible to get a table without planning days ahead. Clubs and societies that do anything indoors are still affected. Nighclubs are closed. International travel is largely illegal. Conferences are cancelled. Im supposed to recieve treatment for a fairly minor health issue once every 4 months, havent been called in 18 months. Other than travel there is no plan to open any of this stuff either.


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Valhallapt wrote: »
    You can’t even nip out of the rain to get a sandwhich in Ireland.

    Everything open in Ireland, has been for ages, except indoor pubs.


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Valhallapt wrote: »
    Move somewhere sunny and get away from the rain and the persistent lockdown. Ignore the lockdown deniers on here. I’m in Portugal now, we’ve had a step back due to delta, but even under what they call “curfew” it’s far more open than Ireland. Everything open here, pubs close at 10.30 for the next few weeks though..

    Pubs close at 11pm in Ireland


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭jakiah


    We have an enormous population in Ireland who live rural, have no hobbies or interests other than going to their local GAA club for pints and think the only restrictions mean they have to drink their Heineken outside instead of inside.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,974 ✭✭✭acequion


    Valhallapt wrote: »
    Move somewhere sunny and get away from the rain and the persistent lockdown. Ignore the lockdown deniers on here. I’m in Portugal now, we’ve had a step back due to delta, but even under what they call “curfew” it’s far more open than Ireland. Everything open here, pubs close at 10.30 for the next few weeks though..

    I completely agree with this poster having recently spent a few weeks in Spain. The deniers of how restricted life is in Ireland are both tiresome and comical and also plain wrong. Life here is very restricted and regimented, everyone here is literally obsessed with Covid and you feel constantly under the threat and dread of what NPHET will impose next. No indoor dining and drinking is a massive restriction in a chilly rainy country like Ireland. You have NONE of those problems in most other countries. Granted more restrictions might be imposed, granted there are legal requirements beyond three months but a] officialdom in most EU countries can be conducted in English plus several local news publications in English,it's not like English is some remote language. And b] it is quite possible that the Op is proficient in languages and can choose a country of a language he knows. All entirely dooable and anyway no legal requirements for up to three months. No big deal whatsoever and unless something dreadful happens which is never impossible, he/she can always get on a plane and come home if not happy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    Gortanna wrote: »
    Do you think life in Ireland is comparable with life in Sweden? You can't even turn on RTÉ without seeing a condescending 'Stay Safe' message in the top right of the screen.

    that really is awful in fairness, i suggest you take the matter to the European Court of Human Rights......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Mimon


    Darc19 wrote: »
    Compulsory outdoor mask wearing was never a requirement here.

    The only real restrictions here are indoor dining and indoor drinking.

    It's the media hysteria that is probably the worse

    Spot on here.

    Is there no voice in the media that will say, hold on lads things for most people are not bad at all?

    Sure some industries are suffering badly but if not directly involved in them can't see how someone would want to leave the country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    Literally just out of IKEA where the food hall is doing a swift trade indoors, people in the Starbucks working on their laptops indoors. Look like Irish refugees tbh. But yea sure Poor Portuguese living under “curfew” which is mild compared to Ireland on a good day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Mimon


    Gortanna wrote: »
    Do you think life in Ireland is comparable with life in Sweden? You can't even turn on RTÉ without seeing a condescending 'Stay Safe' message in the top right of the screen.

    I guarantee you there's none of the hysteria in Ireland about variants in Sweden. From reading the OP's post they appear to want to escape the hysteria in Ireland.

    Another country the OP might consider is England. From the 19th of July that is. That's if the restrictions are lifted there.

    Ironic that you are posting by far the most hysteric stuff on this thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    Mimon wrote: »
    Is there no voice in the media that will say, hold on lads things for most people are not bad at all?

    being moderate doesnt attract clicks though unfortunately, apart from a few journos pretty much everything now has to be black/white, for/against, yes/no


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Mimon


    being moderate doesnt attract clicks though unfortunately, apart from a few journos pretty much everything now has to be black/white, for/against, yes/no

    Yes sadly you have to have a polarising viewpoint to gain any traction due to social media. Really is a blight that there is no room for moderate and balanced views.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭crazy 88


    Thanks for the replies. I would agree with a lot of posters here that it's not all doom and gloom in Ireland as many things are still open, but we seem relatively more restricted than most of the EU and UK. And I guess I should have added that part of the decision is taking advantage of the fact I'm working remotely for now. So lockdown or no lockdown, it would be nice to take advantage of that.

    Airbnb would seem the way to go. Plenty of long term options all across Europe
    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    Delta is spreading across Europe so you can't rule out restrictions being added again in another country until enough are vaccinated
    That's very true but I figure being in country in lockdown with fabulous weather and easy access to a beach is better than being in Ireland for a lockdown. I could move to a nice beach town in Ireland but good weather is never guaranteed and airbnb prices are high with staycations.
    Tow wrote: »
    A friend moved to Spain at the start of the year, all was great for the first few weeks. Then they locked down much harder than here, not understanding the lingo he did not know! Until almost being arrested for jogging along a beach without a mask. Which was made worse for being outside his local area lockdown limit.
    I have zero foreign language skills but I would be extra vigilant checking the news. Google can easily translate whole sites and for somewhere like Spain, I think English media would give it good coverage given the amount of tourists that are going there now.
    Caranica wrote: »
    I agree with many of the others, there's no lockdown to escape here. You're about six months too late.
    I was never going to consider doing it unless I was fully vaccinated. I just got the second shot recently.


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