Fuel - petrol, diesel

jmdsk

Can somebody please settle an argument for me? Do Fuel companies such as Texaco, Maxol, Circle k, Certa etc, bring their own fuel into Ireland? Or does it arrive in one large tanker and then they add their additives etc.

As it seems that you get better, milage out of some more than others!!!

jmdsk

jmdsk wrote: »

Can somebody please settle an argument for me? Do Fuel companies such as Texaco, Maxol, Circle k, Certa etc, bring their own fuel into Ireland? Or does it arrive in one large tanker and then they add their additives etc.

As it seems that you get better, milage out of some more than others!!!

No, there are only a couple of suppliers in Ireland and between them they provide the fuel to all these companies.

barneygumble99

Not an awful lot of help to you , possibly, but I’ve driven a lot over the years and 99.9% of the time I’ve used statoil, topaz and circle k and I can guarantee you the mpg is better than other brands I’ve used in an emergency. I’ve also cut open many fuel filters from cars that had diesel issues and there was one fuel company that was the common denominator in all of them. Sludge and water being the obvious contaminants. So I don’t know if it all comes in on the one tanker but something definitely goes wrong between the tanker and forecourt.

Lewis_Benson

It all comes from the same place no matter whether its Esso, BP, Jet, Shell, Statoil, Texaco, Maxol, Amber, Tara, Applegreen, Topaz, Top, Certa, Inver etc
Either George's Dock in Dublin or Whitegate in Cork.

We only get wintergrade Derv (diesel) in Ireland

Unleaded is unleaded no matter which station you buy it from.

jmdsk

@Lewis_Benson, cheers, and do you know if it changes once the suppliers get it. Even with the advertised get extra milage or clean your engine as you drive etc? Additives?

Buddy Bubs

Magic beans

jmdsk

jmdsk wrote: »

@Lewis_Benson, cheers, and do you know if it changes once the suppliers get it. Even with the advertised get extra milage or clean your engine as you drive etc? Additives?

If topaz or whatever are selling different fuels eg ultramile or whatever I would imagine they are adding some sort of additives to it when it reaches their station, if they weren't it would be false advertising so they are adding something to it but all the fuel that reaches these shores is the same fuel from 2 companies.

I don't believe all this extra mileage people claim, you can't replicate a journey in the exact same circumstances eg, were you behind a car on the motorway giving you better aero and what was the temperature of the air at the time. The circumstances will never be the same

I would never pay extra for any fuel apart from super unleaded which we can't get here anymore unfortunately.

challengemaster

Halle Helpless Meaty wrote: »

I don't believe all this extra mileage people claim, you can't replicate a journey in the exact same circumstances eg, were you behind a car on the motorway giving you better aero and what was the temperature of the air at the time. The circumstances will never be the same

You might not replicate the exact journey, but I had the same 320d for 12 years and over 160k km. Do enough driving and you'll notice differences. If you get diesel from applegreen or tesco, you can literally see the gauge moving as you're driving.

Lewis_Benson

challengemaster wrote: »

You might not replicate the exact journey, but I had the same 320d for 12 years and over 160k km. Do enough driving and you'll notice differences. If you get diesel from applegreen or tesco, you can literally see the gauge moving as you're driving.

Why do you think that is?
The engines fuel pump isn't going to pump more diesel to the injectors because its from tesco......

Darc19

The additives simply allow them charge you up to 10c extra and makes it a very profitable sale to very gullible motorists.

Yep, probably a small improvement, but certainly not 10c/ litre improvement

Lewis_Benson

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

It all comes from the same place no matter whether its Esso, BP, Jet, Shell, Statoil, Texaco, Maxol, Amber, Tara, Applegreen, Topaz, Top, Certa, Inver etc
Either George's Dock in Dublin or Whitegate in Cork.

We only get wintergrade Derv (diesel) in Ireland

Unleaded is unleaded no matter which station you buy it from.

Don't Inver bring their own in through Foynes? Edit: Yes, indeed they do.

challengemaster wrote: »

You might not replicate the exact journey, but I had the same 320d for 12 years and over 160k km. Do enough driving and you'll notice differences. If you get diesel from applegreen or tesco, you can literally see the gauge moving as you're driving.

Will you video th gauge moving for us next time you fill up please? :rolleyes:

mikeecho

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Don't Inver bring their own in through Foynes? ........



:

Inver is Greenergy
https://www.greenergy.com/ireland

Greenergy is the fuel supplier for Tesco in the UK

Just saying


Update:
They also own Amber

https://forecourtretailer.com/greenergy-the-driving-force-behind-ambers-acquisition/

mikeecho

mikeecho wrote: »

Inver is Greenergy
https://www.greenergy.com/ireland

Greenergy is the fuel supplier for Tesco in the UK

Just saying

That's a new thing, they've been bringing in fuel through Foynes for years, even before they had their own stations.

Darc19

challengemaster wrote: »

You might not replicate the exact journey, but I had the same 320d for 12 years and over 160k km. Do enough driving and you'll notice differences. If you get diesel from applegreen or tesco, you can literally see the gauge moving as you're driving.

That's a load of absolute garbage.

I suggest you do a tiny amount of research.

You'll find that tankers of oil are refined into diesel / petrol in Whitegate and Pembroke.

It's put into large tanks in Dublin and Cork and tankers simply drive up and fill up

Some fuel brands will have storage facilities there and the delivery tanker simply moves the pipe from one storage tank to another.

You simply fall for the marketing spiel which you pay for in higher prices.

Tesco is Certa which is part of DCC who are big players in the European market (and an Irish company)

CoBo55

challengemaster wrote: »

You might not replicate the exact journey, but I had the same 320d for 12 years and over 160k km. Do enough driving and you'll notice differences. If you get diesel from applegreen or tesco, you can literally see the gauge moving as you're driving.

Next time you need diesel get a family member to take the car away and fill it up. Drive it and try and guess where the diesel was bought, I wonder will you be right?

KCross

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

It all comes from the same place no matter whether its Esso, BP, Jet, Shell, Statoil, Texaco, Maxol, Amber, Tara, Applegreen, Topaz, Top, Certa, Inver etc
Either George's Dock in Dublin or Whitegate

That ^

The different fuel from the forecourts happens after the refinery where the additives are added.

So, petrol is petrol from the refinery but then each supplier (topaz, applegreen etc) decides what additives they want added to their fuel for their forecourts.

There are marginal gains from the additives. It’s mainly a marketing gimmick where people will claim they can see the the difference in the gauge but it doesn’t matter much, if any, as they are paying a premium for the additive which doesn’t justify that premium.

CoBo55

KCross wrote: »

That ^

The different fuel from the forecourts happens after the refinery where the additives are added.

So, petrol is petrol from the refinery but then each supplier (topaz, applegreen etc) decides what additives they want added to their fuel for their forecourts.

There are marginal gains from the additives. It’s mainly a marketing gimmick where people will claim they can see the the difference in the gauge but it doesn’t matter much, if any, as they are paying a premium for the additive which doesn’t justify that premium.

Where? Where exactly in Ireland are these additives added to the fuel? I'd love to see where it's done (if at all:pac:)

alias no.9

It's hard to notice the difference in most cars because you're operating well within the power band of the engine but I've noticed on occasion in my camper that a fill of diesel can be absolute dirt. I don't think it's brand specific, more station related but I've never experienced a suspect fill from Topaz/Circle K who I primarily use for the last few years as I use a fuel card with a small discount.

KCross

CoBo55 wrote: »

Where? Where exactly in Ireland are these additives added to the fuel? I'd love to see where it's done (if at all:pac:)

At the refinery when the truck is loaded for the customer.

Don’t doubt it for 1 sec. I’ve first hand knowledge.

challengemaster

Darc19 wrote: »

You simply fall for the marketing spiel which you pay for in higher prices.

What marketing spiel am I falling for exactly? It's not like I'm going and buying "premium" diesel from Circle K or some such.

In fact the irony is that I could get diesel I've had a better experience with for 5c/L less than Tesco or applegreen fuel

See the thing is it's not just my experience. I've had at least 10 different people say the exact same thing to me. One of which is a mechanic who would recommend to never use fuel from Tesco/Certa because it destroyed injectors.

DuckSlice

KCross wrote: »

At the refinery when the truck is loaded for the customer.

Don’t doubt it for 1 sec. I’ve first hand knowledge.

Do we refine oil in Ireland?

DuckSlice

DuckSlice wrote: »

Do we refine oil in Ireland?

We do. Whitegate, Co Cork

CoBo55

KCross wrote: »

At the refinery when the truck is loaded for the customer.

Don’t doubt it for 1 sec. I’ve first hand knowledge.

Sure you do..
I've driven petrol and diesels over the years and never noticed any difference, never had sludge or any such scary yokes living in filters either...
Jaysus next thing they'll be saying ionity electricity is better than your house electricity.
It's all rubbish.

Darc19

challengemaster wrote: »

What marketing spiel am I falling for exactly? It's not like I'm going and buying "premium" diesel from Circle K or some such.

In fact the irony is that I could get diesel I've had a better experience with for 5c/L less than Tesco or applegreen fuel

See the thing is it's not just my experience. I've had at least 10 different people say the exact same thing to me. One of which is a mechanic who would recommend to never use fuel from Tesco/Certa because it destroyed injectors.

A mechanic who hasn't a clue about fuel and how its refined and how its delivered.

If that mechanic gives you such BS about fuel, I'd be very wary about anything he says.

Certa which operates filling stations at tesco site (tesco sold them off) and at other sites is also Emo/Great Gas. Part of DCC with about 2,000 filling stations around Europe including Shell in the UK & Esso in France. Under the Certa brand they are the largest distributor of fuel in the UK especially to haulage companies, heavy business users, construction sites and farms.

So I suggest you think again about believing a mechanic that knows absolutely zilch about fuel. I'd get my car serviced elsewhere tbh.

I'll repeat - ALL fuel is the same except when an additional additive is added at the tanker fuel collection point, and most brands charge you very handsomely for this marketing gimmick. - Yes they can claim X% improvement, but that is in laboratory conditions where every setting is set to maximise the results. But most people drive in the real world.

corkgsxr

My van will always average better miles to a tank with circle k than some brands.

Do a tank of circle k and tank of applegreen petrol in herselfs 2l turbo a5 and youll see about a 3rd of a difference.

KCross

CoBo55 wrote: »

Sure you do..
I've driven petrol and diesels over the years and never noticed any difference, never had sludge or any such scary yokes living in filters either...
Jaysus next thing they'll be saying ionity electricity is better than your house electricity.
It's all rubbish.

You’ve completely misread my post.

I’m not saying one is better than the other. In fact I’ve said the opposite.

I’m just explaining to you that there are additives added. I’m making no claim about how effective they are. Reread my posts and go again!

CoBo55

KCross wrote: »

You’ve completely misread my post.

I’m not saying one is better than the other. In fact I’ve said the opposite.

I’m just explaining to you that there are additives added. I’m making no claim about how effective they are. Reread my posts and go again!

How do they add these magic potions into the fuel for a specific brand? The few tanker drivers I know say you could be directed to any tank to get your fuel and none of them are branded, just fill and away you go. It certainly isn't added locally. I'm agreeing with you on the effectiveness or lack of with these fuels it's mainly the placebo effect.

KCross

CoBo55 wrote: »

How do they add these magic potions into the fuel for a specific brand? The few tanker drivers I know say you could be directed to any tank to get your fuel and none of them are branded, just fill and away you go. It certainly isn't added locally. I'm agreeing with you on the effectiveness or lack of with these fuels it's mainly the placebo effect.

It’s done at the point the tanker is loaded. Apart from me driving you down to whitegate and showing you the process I’m not sure what I can do for you here.

Others have confirmed same on this thread. You can believe or disbelieve, no matter to me.

Darc19

corkgsxr wrote: »

My van will always average better miles to a tank with circle k than some brands.

Do a tank of circle k and tank of applegreen petrol in herselfs 2l turbo a5 and youll see about a 3rd of a difference.

Tts really baffling how people actually think different forecourt names have different fuel.

Think Kelloggs cornflakes - doesn't matter whether you buy them in dunnes, tesco, centra or in the local corner shop. Its the same cornflakes.

Using full fat milk might make them a little tastier than low fat milk.

Advertising and marketing will suggest there's a difference, but on standard fuels there is no difference. on premium fuels where the brands make massive profits because people believe the market guff it can make a small difference to higher powered cars - but not anywhere near the 7%-8% extra cost.

I'll always go with the best priced fuel and won't care what name is on the pump. I'll let you and others enrich the fuel companies

CoBo55

KCross wrote: »

It’s done at the point the tanker is loaded. Apart from me driving you down to whitegate and showing you the process I’m not sure what I can do for you here.

Others have confirmed same on this thread. You can believe or disbelieve, no matter to me.

Relax man, Jesus... Topaz here in Enniscorthy must use two different tankers as they charge 138.9 on the old Dublin road and 143.9 in Hempfield for the same magic cleaning diesel. You can guess the one I go to:D.

MIKEKC

KCross wrote: »

At the refinery when the truck is loaded for the customer.

Don’t doubt it for 1 sec. I’ve first hand knowledge.

There are about 6 filling points in Whitegate (can't remember exactly it's a long time since I was there). You drive into whichever is vacant. How do they change the fuel in the line as each truck approaches?

CoBo55

MIKEKC wrote: »

There are about 6 filling points in Whitegate (can't remember exactly it's a long time since I was there). You drive into whichever is vacant. How do they change the fuel in the line as each truck approaches?

That was my question too. I was told exactly the same situation as you’ve outlined is what happens, furthermore he could be bringing the fuel to a smaller depot where rigid tankers bring it to all different petrol stations, all out of the same giant metal tank(s)

MIKEKC

CoBo55 wrote: »

That was my question too. I was told exactly the same situation as you’ve outlined is what happens, furthermore he could be bringing the fuel to a smaller depot where rigid tankers bring it to all different petrol stations, all out of the same giant metal tank(s)

Petrol cannot be unloaded and reloaded. It goes directly to the filling station

Dilbert75

CoBo55 wrote: »

Relax man, Jesus... Topaz here in Enniscorthy must use two different tankers as they charge 138.9 on the old Dublin road and 143.9 in Hempfield for the same magic cleaning diesel. You can guess the one I go to:D.

It used to be that stations owned by the company were able to sell fuel for roughly the same price as privately owned franchise-holders we're buying it from the same company. In that case, I'm not familiar with Hempfield but Old Dublin Road is a fuel depot with no bells or whistles and limited opening hours. Much lower overheads for them (and I used to buy diesel there too).

KCross

KCross wrote: »

It’s done at the point the tanker is loaded. Apart from me driving you down to whitegate and showing you the process I’m not sure what I can do for you here.

Others have confirmed same on this thread. You can believe or disbelieve, no matter to me.

And others have confirmed the opposite. Guess which one is the truth?

The only ones putting additives in fuel in this country are the IRA.

KCross

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The only ones putting additives in fuel in this country are the IRA.

Do a bit more reading on that. Removing additives is their speciality when it comes to fuel!