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  • There's some odd stuff about their requirements. The claim to only support fairly recent processors, e.g. Intel 7th gen is unsupported. So officially my i9 7900X apparently isn't enough, despite having 10 cores.

    Their health check tool tells a different story though, and it states my CPU is just fine, as it clearly would be.

    The TPM 2.0 requirement is also causing a lot of confusion, since many board vendors and CPUs have it implemented in firmware and disabled by default. And if it you do check your BIOS, the naming convention for it varies wildly. In my case it's called PTT, as opposed to fTPM, plain TPM or other variant names.

  • i seem to remember reading that they were gonna use the windows 10 name for 10 years, did i imagine this??

  • quaidox wrote: »
    i seem to remember reading that they were gonna use the windows 10 name for 10 years, did i imagine this??

    Nope you didn't. was under the impression that windows 10 was meant to be the final operating system and were going to release service packs.

    But whats happening now is Moore's law is no longer valid and so they may as well go all out.

  • There is a commitment to support Win10 with service packs etc but don’t know how long it will last. May depend on the uptake of Win11.
    Disappointed by the PC Healthcheck tool in that it does not list the non-conforming characteristics of the machine under test. So the user must check each item of the spec to find the non-conformance. It would have been easy to have included it in the software. But then Microsoft are selling laptops ��

    Spoke too soon. MS have updated today the tool to provide the details of the non-conformances.

  • Carne wrote: »
    With the announcement of the new OS, what's your opinion on it so far? Will you upgrade or wait a while when the time comes?
    I only upgrade when I'm forced to. I follow the rule "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

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  • So Microsoft have relented.

    Machines without TPM will be able (allowed) to run Windows 11 but only via a new clean install, not via upgrade.

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."

  • You'll be allowed to install it on older hardware but at a cost in that you'll get no support or updates.

  • I thought they'd go with no updates for "Service" or "Feature" updates. Meaning you'd need to get a new iso every 6 months for 22H1 and 22H2 etc, but to not give any updates seems like a massive security hole for an option that quite a few are gonna choose.

    It's stupid on the face of it!

  • I checked my laptop (Dell XPS) and desktop (HP) for Win 11 - and both are not compatible. One has an Intel i5 and the other an i7 - both deemed no good because of the processor.

    What a) can I do apart from getting new ones of both - or b) can I just load up Win 11 and see what happens?

    I will just keep Win 10 going for a while anyway.

    More planned obsolescence. What a bummer.

    Would Apple be better?

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  • No - The desktop is Core i5-4440. It is not that old - well it is 2014 vintage.

  • I would not say Apple is better, it's different. Windows, Mac, Linux all have large user basis so it is not a case of not being able to work with one of these environments. The real things to consider is the time, effort and cost to switch. You have to learn to use a new operating system and learn how they do things in the new environment etc... and in come cases you may need to use a different application to do some of the things you do now in windows, especially if you use a lot of hobby applications as they are often not directly ported to all environments.

    If you are willing to consider Apple, then I'd suggest you consider installing Mint on you machines as an alternative when you come to the end of the line with Windows 10. That is how I breath new life into old machines. It's not windows, but from what I have heard Windows users find it an easier transition than to other flavours of Linux. My son's laptop reach it's end of Windows live about 5 years ago and he put Mint on it and he used it all through college and even still does today about 6 years later.

  • ancient machine here, i ll wait till it dies, nearly there now though

  • To upgrade my laptop (Dell XPS - Intel i7) would cost about €2k. I don't think so at the moment - I'll wait a bit longer - quite a bit longer.

    My desktop is i5, and feels a bit slow, and a bit clunky on bootup. I thought of putting a new motherboard (€200 or so) and new processor (another few hundred), and then new memory (another few hundred), and probably a new graphics card (another few hundred). That is a lot of few hundreds - so a new desktop would make sense since it would cost less.

    Then again, just because Microsoft bring out a new version of windows, why should I be bothered. I'll wait a while. I was just surprised to learn my powerful computers were out of date so quickly.

    I must investigate Linux - I assume Mint is a Linux version. I have some old desktops I could set up to try it out.

    It was a surprise when I opened my desktop to fit a graphics card to find that all the connectors had changed since I last looked inside a desktop. The power supply units are different. The power connectors are all different. The slot(s) are different and much fewer. The HDD connector is a tiny one. I wanted to fit extra memory, but there a more types of slot than I can fathom out, or find on the market. I have two slots with one occupied - do I need to fit the extra (second) one as a pair - so do I junk the first one?

    The whole inside is different - a whole new learning experience. Perhaps going to Mint could save me a mint.

  • Is there a replacement processor that could update the old desktop? The processor is quad core 64 bit but is not hyper=threaded. Maybe that is what is missing.

    I have 8 GB of memory - which should be enough, and it was not cited as a problem.

    At least I am not in a hurry to upgrade. I would like to see advantages for the upgrade first.

  • Yes, Mint is a version of Linux, it is considered the best choice for the average user, especially for someone coming from a Windows environment. The minimum memory requirement is 2GB, with 4GB for comfortable use, so 8GB would be very good.

    You don't need to install it to test it. Burn the distribution onto a USB stick and boot your laptop for it. That way you can check out all of your devices etc and ensure they work correctly before installing and of course get a feel for working with it.

  • We have to buy a new PC for Windows 11 because I don't think this old processor (i5) will work well on it.