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Tour de France 2021

  • 25-06-2021 7:01pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 3,102 ✭✭✭ bazermc


    Starting tomorrow. Doesn’t feel like it though.

    Usually I’m more excited as the first stage approach, for a race I grow up watching every summer. Doesn’t feel like it this year, strange.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,120 ✭✭✭✭ breezy1985


    bazermc wrote: »
    Starting tomorrow. Doesn’t feel like it though.

    Usually I’m more excited as the first stage approach, for a race I grow up watching every summer. Doesn’t feel like it this year, strange.

    Im the same and it's surprising as I was really excited for the monuments and Giro this year.

    Looking out the window it certainly doesn't feel like summer so that's not helping. Also I just have no enthusiasm for Pog,Rog or the Ineos many GC guys so at best unless Dan or Ala does a wild run in yellow I am only watching to see Ineos not win


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭ Panrich


    bazermc wrote: »
    Starting tomorrow. Doesn’t feel like it though.

    Usually I’m more excited as the first stage approach, for a race I grow up watching every summer. Doesn’t feel like it this year, strange.


    I think that Sam and his quest for the green jersey brought a whole new dimension to the tour last year. Looking at stage maps and where the intermediate sprints were and working out how many points for the places in the sprint finish etc. was great.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭ at1withmyself


    I'm looking forward to it, good mix of gc & sprinters plus some interesting names looking for stage wins like Dan & Vincenzo.

    Keen to see how Sky get on with 4 leaders and hope there is a gc challenge and not Sky covering the podium after week 1.

    Could Lopez at Moviestar cause them to ride for him or will they go for team classification again!

    Can Sagan win green this year, I hope so.

    Also will be interesting to see how some of th up & coming riders get on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,458 ✭✭✭✭ odyssey06


    Panrich wrote: »
    I think that Sam and his quest for the green jersey brought a whole new dimension to the tour last year. Looking at stage maps and where the intermediate sprints were and working out how many points for the places in the sprint finish etc. was great.

    That was the first time I paid attention to intermediate sprints and breakaway formations... helped that the later start to the TDF meant I was on a staycation for much of it and could follow it on TV.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,120 ✭✭✭✭ breezy1985


    I think the Ineos 4 leader this is BS. Ineos have never been able to break the programming and will fall in behind the strongest rider who I think will be Carapaz or at a stretch Porte. Hart won a poor Giro and Thomas isnt the rider he was or I suppose gone back to the rider he was depending on how you look at it


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,969 ✭✭✭ irishrover99


    Not sure what all the doom and gloom is for. Porte is going to have the best come back since Floyd Landis.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,953 ✭✭✭ 07Lapierre


    Froome for the win! You heard it here first! :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭ velo.2010


    The Tour was at the sporting centre stage last year with no football or Wimbledon to compete for coverage with. This year, the focus has been on the Euro's and the return of the tennis. More overlap than usual with those two events has meant the Tour isn't as visible this summer. Also, restrictions have limited reporting on events such as the Tour.

    I hope it kicks off with a decent couple of stages to set it up for the GC battle later in the Tour.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,223 ✭✭✭ MPFGLB


    Seems the secret pro shared my views on Sam Bennet not riding the Tour no matter the unfounded conspiracies on here

    "you want stage wins; you take the world’s fastest rider. But you don’t take him if he’s injured. You have to think about the team, and a rider who could more than likely leave the race after a few stages due to an injury you know about would be bad management. You take a guy who A: has a pretty good track record at the race, and B: has had five wins this season. "

    Also he doesn't like Sagan much

    https://cyclingtips.com/2021/06/the-secret-pro-tour-de-france-sagan/


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,663 ✭✭✭ Shedite27


    Is there a boards velogames setup?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭ at1withmyself


    Shedite27 wrote: »
    Is there a boards velogames setup?

    Yep, check the general race thread


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭ at1withmyself


    As much as I dislike Ineos and the power they have, they have always declared the strategy of the others falling in whoever is leading and not having 4 different riders attacking as such. Second on the road will be the last on the front of the train before the leader is left alone is what they are saying.
    breezy1985 wrote: »
    I think the Ineos 4 leader this is BS. Ineos have never been able to break the programming and will fall in behind the strongest rider who I think will be Carapaz or at a stretch Porte. Hart won a poor Giro and Thomas isnt the rider he was or I suppose gone back to the rider he was depending on how you look at it


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,185 ✭✭✭✭ Enfilade


    Shedite27 wrote: »
    Is there a boards velogames setup?

    Yes, see here https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=117481792&postcount=1341

    🚴‍♂️



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,975 ✭✭✭✭ retalivity


    MPFGLB wrote: »
    Seems the secret pro shared my views on Sam Bennet not riding the Tour no matter the unfounded conspiracies on here

    "you want stage wins; you take the world’s fastest rider. But you don’t take him if he’s injured. You have to think about the team, and a rider who could more than likely leave the race after a few stages due to an injury you know about would be bad management. You take a guy who A: has a pretty good track record at the race, and B: has had five wins this season. "

    Also he doesn't like Sagan much

    https://cyclingtips.com/2021/06/the-secret-pro-tour-de-france-sagan/

    Read that this morning, its almost slanderous what is said about Sagan!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,223 ✭✭✭ MPFGLB


    As much as I dislike Ineos and the power they have, they have always declared the strategy of the others falling in whoever is leading and not having 4 different riders attacking as such. Second on the road will be the last on the front of the train before the leader is left alone is what they are saying.


    That is when they have had the strongest rider

    They dont anymore


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭ at1withmyself


    MPFGLB wrote: »
    That is when they have had the strongest rider

    They dont anymore

    I don't know, I think Thomas might come good this year, he looked very strong at the Dauphine but time will tell!


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,437 Mod ✭✭✭✭ ednwireland


    the cosmic ballet goes on


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭ at1withmyself




  • Registered Users Posts: 811 ✭✭✭ Raoul Duke


    So another Tour done. Hard to know how it rates overall to others.

    Some things I liked:

    Pogacar was supreme. I enjoy seeing someone win who will more than likely be remembered for a long time. If he had got knocked out, the Tour would have been won by someone who probably won't be considered "great". Hopefully he will have more competition in future Tours.

    No Sky etc train up the mountains.

    The relative failure of Inios. Not just because I dislike them, but because it meant that it wasn't a 1 team dominated Tour.

    The Polka dot jersey battle, until the end. Usually it's something that I couldn't care less about. It was won in the end by the best climber, so on one hand it was won by the right man, but on the other hand it was won by someone almost accidentally. It still needs a bit of tweaking.


    Disliked:

    The green jersey battle. It was a lot more boring this year. Without Sagan/Bora competing for it, Deceuninck–Quickstep had it too easy.

    Didn't mind seeing Cavendish win a few stages, but again Deceuninck–Quickstep had no one pushing them in the last few kms.

    Crashes

    Not enough mountain top finishes.



    I'm not as despondent as others about the future of the Tour. I think that Pogacar is a potential great, but a lot of things fell his way this year. Without the crashes and the cold weather, I think that he would found it a lot harder to win. Of course, he will probably get better every year for the next 5 years or so and Roglic has already probably peaked. So next year will need the likes of Bernal to step up. We could be in for a great few years - Pogacar, Bernal, Remco, Vingegaard, Roglic, Almeida.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 286 ✭✭ Morris Garren


    Looks like my velogames team took the lantern rouge -- not that I set out to achieve such ignominy.


    On a different note-- Ineos were brutal, or overall they seemed clueless or out of form, crashes aside. Did Porte fall off a cliff? Did Tao actually win the Giro 9 months ago? If Thomas was so injured he should have abandoned, or was his head wrecked by stage 9? Very poor overall



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,437 Mod ✭✭✭✭ ednwireland


    is that an ineos Jersey on the podium . not what we expect obviously .

    yeh Porte and thomas who were 1 and 2 at the dauphine disappeared. think Porte crashed early on as well and thomas was riding round



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,120 ✭✭✭✭ breezy1985


    Pretty boring Tour in fairness. No real fight for any jersey and from a personal point of view I don't really care about any of the jersey or stage winners bar Ala way back at the start.

    The only saving grace was it was someone not riding for Ineos who was boring the arse off me with his dominance



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,663 ✭✭✭ Shedite27


    Yeah dull tour, the mountains are really only fun if there's a GC battle going on



  • Registered Users Posts: 286 ✭✭ Morris Garren


    Strangely, Carapaz being a bit of a d1ck that day on the Col de Portet made me shout for him momentarily, it was as if we needed a bit of old-school drama or Italian style 'polemica' as an antidote to the inevitable conclusion most days. He is actually good for Ineos, I wonder if his rural Ecuadorean attitude and adventurous spirit sits well with the genteel Sir Dave and marginal gains... and of all the Ineos team I was happy to see him do best.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,185 ✭✭✭✭ Enfilade


    Team selection from Ineos for the Tour was seriously questionable. Dunbar being left out despite only having one GT in him and taking off my green jersey here was a no brainer given his support for Carapaz a few weeks prior to the Tour. Kwiatkowski hasn't been at his best for 2 years now imo, and Castroviejo had the Giro in him despite him being an absolute beast he wasn't his best either. When you look at who they did take and didn't to the tour it's shocking.

    Like we know Richie Porte is going to crash at some point so why bother?


    EDIT: If they wanted to win the tour they would have had to have sent a different team to the Giro and maybe lost it.

    🚴‍♂️



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,975 ✭✭✭✭ retalivity


    Castroviejo provided more support for Carapaz in the mountains than Porte, Tao or Thomas did, even with the Giro in his legs.



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