Golden Doodle or Labra Doodle Owners

wendellgee

Hi,

First time poster in this forum, so be gentle..

I am looking to get in contact with Golden Doodle / Labra Doodle owners who
are encountering resource guarding issues with their dogs.

If you could respond or DM me would be great, just trying to see if their are any trends we can focus on as to the cause.

Many Thanks
Paul

peasant

Resource guarding isn't a breed specific thing, neither is the solution.

Just saying like ...

Knine

peasant wrote: »

Resource guarding isn't a breed specific thing, neither is the solution.

Just saying like ...

But temperament issues are often associated with indiscriminate breeding of dogs & seems pretty common in these crosses.

em_cat

With resource guarding the cause isn’t important, the training is and as @Peasant says it’s an issue that is not breed dependent or related.

Our Pom has issues with guarding, she’s come a long way & we’ve a system. She was taught to drop, leave it & oddly spit that out. If she needs assistance with food being stuck in a Kong she’ll back away & sit to let us know.

You need to work with a qualified trainer, especially if it’s it severe and across the board .I.e food, toys, people, beds

DBB

Case files from the Association of Pet Behaviour Counsellors (APBC) do, in fact, show that certain breeds feature far more regularly than others in resource guarding cases.
Golden Retrievers are one of those breeds. So are Cocker Spaniels, and another breed that's starting to make its presence felt in this regard are Springer Spaniels. Interestingly, all gundog breeds.
It is also more common amongst some terrier breeds than others.

wendellgee

I should have been more specific, I am aware that resource guarding can happen in all breeds, and that training can sometimes help. If it is genetic, it makes it more difficult, so I am specifically trying to find golden doodles or labra doodles who have seen the issue to see if we can point it back to a genetic issue with the father poodle (as it is in my Dog). If we can then its important that this poodle is not used as a stud going forward..

Knine

wendellgee wrote: »

I should have been more specific, I am aware that resource guarding can happen in all breeds, and that training can sometimes help. If it is genetic, it makes it more difficult, so I am specifically trying to find golden doodles or labra doodles who have seen the issue to see if we can point it back to a genetic issue with the father poodle (as it is in my Dog). If we can then its important that this poodle is not used as a stud going forward..

Anybody using a Poodle to create generic mixes is not going to be a Reputable Breeder. Nor the bitch owner. This problem can happen in pedigree dogs too but it is much more likely to happen with indiscriminate breeding with no purpose in mind other than to make money.

Nigzcurran

Knine wrote: »

Anybody using a Poodle to create generic mixes is not going to be a Reputable Breeder. Nor the bitch owner. This problem can happen in pedigree dogs too but it is much more likely to happen with indiscriminate breeding with no purpose in mind other than to make money.

I thought the likes of doodles were considered a good breed or am I missing something here?

Knine

Nigzcurran wrote: »

I thought the likes of doodles were considered a good breed or am I missing something here?

They are not a breed & usually bred purely for money.. It is against the IKC code of ethics to cross breed.

DBB

wendellgee wrote: »

I should have been more specific, I am aware that resource guarding can happen in all breeds, and that training can sometimes help. If it is genetic, it makes it more difficult, so I am specifically trying to find golden doodles or labra doodles who have seen the issue to see if we can point it back to a genetic issue with the father poodle (as it is in my Dog). If we can then its important that this poodle is not used as a stud going forward..

I'm unclear from the above op, is it goldedoodles and labradoodles generally that you're interested in hearing about, or is it dogs that your dog has already sired that you're concerned about?
For what it's worth, poodles are not a breed I'd particularly associate with resource guarding, however Golden Retrievers are, and Cocker Spaniels are. From my own experience, I would also say that labs have become more inclined towards the behaviour in recent years too.
So, if there is a genetic component, I'd suggest it's more like to come from the non-poodle side of the doodles!
However, as you're the dog owner, I'm going to leap to the conclusion that you won't be the person raising any pups he sires? The early environment that pups are raised in is beyond critical when it comes to preventing resource guarding. Even if there is a genetic predisposition, proper proactive management of pups will substantially offset problems from appearing.
For example, it is critical that the puppies' dam's owner feeds pups from separate bowls, and supervises ALL mealtimes to ensure everything happens peacefully, gently intervening if there's any food robbery or bullying going on. Far, far too many people just put a big pan of food on the floor, and it's a free-for-all for puppies... an absolute recipe for kick-starting resource guarding.
Similarly, from a small age (4wks), pups should start to learn swapsie games with people. Fun, passive learning of the concept of "you give me that, I'll give you this". Food bowl exercises too... "puppy? If I approach you while you eat, it's to give you more food", to teach pups from very young that people around food bowls are great news. I would also say that pups reared inside the home, where there is good interaction with a human family, are less likely to develop behavioural problems, including resource guarding.
New puppy owners should be sent off with their pups knowing all this stuff and how to do it, to continue building on the pups' knowledge base.
Regrettably, it's all too often the case that none of this happens, and anecdotally, I can say that there seems to be a surge in doodle owners complaining of resource guarding in the pups (most of which are covipuppies, and almost be definition, bred for money).
So, to cut a long post short, if you want to minimise resource guarding in the pups your dog sires, choose your dam owners very, very carefully.

jimf

the problem with crossing breeds is you breed the good and bad of both parents into the pups

all breeds have their little quirks

imho resource guarding can start from very early in puppyhood

once on solids competition can start very early

DBB

jimf wrote: »

the problem with crossing breeds is you breed the good and bad of both parents into the pups

all breeds have their little quirks

It's the same with purebreeds too! I know mine is not a popular opinion, but does it really matter that people cross breeds IF they have health and genetic testing carried out on both parents relating to their breed, and ultimately down successive generations?
People want nice pet dogs that are safe with people, and healthy. If the breeders do all the things that breeders of purebred dogs do, I see no issue at all with any cross of breeds, AS LONG AS they make every effort to ethically produce healthy, friendly family pet dogs. As it is, the IKC registers plenty of purebred mass-produced pups, so their involvement in whether a family purchases a healthy, friendly pet dog is, to me at least, redundant.

tk123

wendellgee wrote: »

If we can then its important that this poodle is not used as a stud going forward..

If the owner of the stud dog is in any way a responsible breeder they'd have vetted and have contact details for anyone who's used the dog for stud who in turn would have contact details for anyone who's gotten a pup from them? If not... are you going to gain anything except confirmation that there's a genetic / crappy breeder as the root cause?

My dog has had lots of issues - instead of looking backwards for somebody/something to blame we look forwards and just deal with them eg working on training/management. It's worked out quite well for us so far - he'll be 12 next month and at one stage we didn't think he'd see his 2nd birthday.