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Help with Renault Zoe 40Kwh expected range

  • 14-06-2021 9:15pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 3,083 ✭✭✭ jackofalltrades


    I was just looking at buying a Renault Zoe 40 kWh.
    After looking around for estimates on the range, I had a figure of about 210-230 KM in my head.
    Then I went looking at a R90 over the weekend and it showed a rang of 144KM on 7 out of 8 bars.
    I'm guessing the scale is somewhat linear??? so that's 164KM on a full charge.
    Which is a bit too low, there's another cars advertised online for sale that shows a range of 233KM on a full charge.

    Should I just take the low reading as an outlier?
    Is the figure just low due to the driving style of the garage staff/previous driver or could it be an issue with the car?

    Sorry if I'm asking the same question for the 100th time, just being extra careful.

    Thanks in advance.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,987 ✭✭✭ haphaphap


    reset trip computer. someone else was driving it spiritedly.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,864 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    If you drive it at motorway speeds (120km/h GPS speed), its range will probably be about 164km in summer

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,922 ✭✭✭ zg3409


    Range very much depends on speeds and battery temperature.
    The car is not faulty, the battery is not faulty. The cars best guess is if you continue to drive similar to recent driving history then you should get around that range.

    Canny sellers reset system and drive slowly, then take a photo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,987 ✭✭✭ haphaphap


    zg3409 wrote: »
    Canny sellers reset system and drive slowly, then take a photo.
    They do that for V6 gas guzzlers too... 40mpg all day long no bother, no word of a lie.


  • Registered Users Posts: 371 ✭✭ silver_sky


    The range depends on a number of factors really. The Zoe has a pretty damn accurate "Guessometer" in my experience. I wouldn't use the GOM reading as any indication. The person driving it previously may have been hammering it around or may have driven gently. There is a way to do a full reset but it messes things up for a few hundred km. It's different than the one in the infotainment.

    If you have an OBD reader you can download CanZE app and plug in to read the battery state of health if you're worried about that.
    The port is under the little rubber mat by the 12V socket and USB port. A business card or guitar pick or such will help to pull it up.

    More info here - http://canze.fisch.lu

    EV Database gives fairly accurate real world range estimates in my experience. I own an older 22kWh Zoe but have driven an R90 ZE40 a few times. I'd say their estimates are about right.
    Just to note Zoe isn't the best at 120km/h so drop back a bit to 110 or 100 and you'll see considerable range improvement on the motorway. Just my experience.

    https://ev-database.org/car/1150/Renault-Zoe-R90


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,083 ✭✭✭ jackofalltrades


    Canny sellers reset system and drive slowly, then take a photo.
    I'm amazed they're all not doing this.
    silver_sky wrote: »
    The range depends on a number of factors really. The Zoe has a pretty damn accurate "Guessometer" in my experience. I wouldn't use the GOM reading as any indication. The person driving it previously may have been hammering it around or may have driven gently. There is a way to do a full reset but it messes things up for a few hundred km. It's different than the one in the infotainment.

    If you have an OBD reader you can download CanZE app and plug in to read the battery state of health if you're worried about that.
    The port is under the little rubber mat by the 12V socket and USB port. A business card or guitar pick or such will help to pull it up.

    More info here - http://canze.fisch.lu

    EV Database gives fairly accurate real world range estimates in my experience. I own an older 22kWh Zoe but have driven an R90 ZE40 a few times. I'd say their estimates are about right.
    Just to note Zoe isn't the best at 120km/h so drop back a bit to 110 or 100 and you'll see considerable range improvement on the motorway. Just my experience.

    https://ev-database.org/car/1150/Renault-Zoe-R90
    Thanks for the info silver_sky, I'll definetly look into that CanZe app.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭ ei9go


    Having had all 3 Zoe's 22 kWh, 41 kWh and now the latest one, I can tell you that in any kind of normal use you will be looking at where am I going to charge from 170 to 180 km. You will not be chancing 210km on a regular basis.

    I would suggest if within budget that you get the latest 52 kWh version not just because of the CCS charging and extra range but for the latest updates. It has heating that actually works properly even in ECO mode. It has lights that actually let you see in dark. The lights in the earlier models are a joke even after fitting brighter bulbs. It has an unusual system where the same bulb is used for dim and high and the housing moves to change the beam. They are truly woeful.

    Whatever car you decide on, buy the biggest battery you can afford.


  • Registered Users Posts: 347 ✭✭ handpref


    ei9go wrote: »
    Having had all 3 Zoe's 22 kWh, 41 kWh and now the latest one, I can tell you that in any kind of normal use you will be looking at where am I going to charge from 170 to 180 km. You will not be chancing 210km on a regular basis.

    I would suggest if within budget that you get the latest 52 kWh version not just because of the CCS charging and extra range but for the latest updates. It has heating that actually works properly even in ECO mode. It has lights that actually let you see in dark. The lights in the earlier models are a joke even after fitting brighter bulbs. It has an unusual system where the same bulb is used for dim and high and the housing moves to change the beam. They are truly woeful.

    Whatever car you decide on, buy the biggest battery you can afford.


    How’s the ze50 working out ei9go ?
    Real world range ?
    Is it really that much improved ?

    We were looking to upgrade the ze40 but got a woeful trade in price from the local dealer. So much so that’s it’s putting it into second hand esoul range to change.
    Cost to change from a 181 Sig Nav to 20-2 gt line is 12k, 14k to a new one...12k to go up two years.

    The car is mint and the wife loves it so at that money it will be staying.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,083 ✭✭✭ jackofalltrades


    ei9go wrote: »
    Having had all 3 Zoe's 22 kWh, 41 kWh and now the latest one, I can tell you that in any kind of normal use you will be looking at where am I going to charge from 170 to 180 km. You will not be chancing 210km on a regular basis.
    And what kind of range were you usually getting?
    Especially if you were driving on N roads at the speed limit?
    I would suggest if within budget that you get the latest 52 kWh version not just because of the CCS charging and extra range but for the latest updates. It has heating that actually works properly even in ECO mode. It has lights that actually let you see in dark. The lights in the earlier models are a joke even after fitting brighter bulbs. It has an unusual system where the same bulb is used for dim and high and the housing moves to change the beam. They are truly woeful.
    Yeah I read about the lights not being that great.
    The 52 kWh version would eliminate all range concerns, it's just I can't see myself using it enough to justify that kind of expenditure.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,987 ✭✭✭ haphaphap


    For travelling above at or above 100kmph get an e208 or a Corsa. They're smaller in size but they charge faster and are more aerodynamic.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭ ei9go


    handpref wrote: »
    How’s the ze50 working out ei9go ?
    Real world range ?
    Is it really that much improved ?

    We were looking to upgrade the ze40 but got a woeful trade in price from the local dealer. So much so that’s it’s putting it into second hand esoul range to change.
    Cost to change from a 181 Sig Nav to 20-2 gt line is 12k, 14k to a new one...12k to go up two years.

    The car is mint and the wife loves it so at that money it will be staying.

    How's it working out the ZE50.
    13 months old 22500 km.
    There is no improvement in efficiency, it just that you have 20% more battery .
    Perhaps i give you some recent examples.

    Yesterday, Waterford to Cobh and back. 120km each way, drove as fast as possible with the traffic. Returned home with 35% remaining.

    Two weeks ago. Waterford to Lisburn. All motorway cruise set at 105 kph eco on. Stopped for 35 mins in Dublin, took on 12 kWh at a 22kW charger and arrived in Lisburn with 18% battery remaining. Repeated the trip on the return journey except was 45 mins in Dublin and took on 17 kWh. Bit of a headwind as you often get going South so arrived home with 15% battery remaining.

    Pretty much as expected. The ZE40 used to do Waterford to Cork return with about 40 km remaining so that's why I say there is no efficiency improvement.

    I won't comment on the winter performance because the ZE50 was suffering at that point from dropping SOH due to the need for BMS update which was only done in April.

    As i mentioned in the original post, the reason to buy the ZE50 if you can is all the improvements, heating and AC that works. LED headlights and auto high beams. Google search so you never never fight with points of interest again and too many others to list. CCS is worth having but you could live without it, I did 25000 km in one year with the ZE40.

    Did have one occasion when i miscalculated somewhat and ending up in Kilcullen services at 3% remaining. The CCS added 60% in the 45 mins allowed.


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