Illegal parking in the city

chalkitdown1

Is it just me or is it worse now than it's ever been? Just this weekend I must have seen a hundred+ cars parked where they're not supposed to be during the 4 hours or so I spent shopping around town. Cars fully on footpaths/half on footpaths, cars in cycle lanes, cars on pedestrian plazas, cars on these newly pedestrianised streets (what a joke those are)..... double yellow lines may as well not exist.

The sheer ignorance and entitlement of some is astounding. I've never seen it this bad.

The most frustrating part is that there doesn't seem to be anything to do about it; the council don't care, they practically encourage it with the lack of enforcement. They almost seem afraid to punish anyone behind the wheel in the city. The garda also don't give a toss, they're at it themselves on a near daily basis.

It's maddening.

the beer revolu

Well when city Council vans and cars routinely park completely on footpaths and when footpaths are routinely parked on right outside garda stations, it's not surprising that people just don't see it as something that is punishable.


I'd also add red light breaking to the list of behaviours that is out of control.

Also the Pana restrictions are a complete joke at this stage.

Take a look at the Bad Parking Cork twitter account.

funnydoggy

the beer revolu wrote: »

Well when city Council vans and cars routinely park completely on footpaths and when footpaths are routinely parked on right outside garda stations, it's not surprising that people just don't see it as something that is punishable.


I'd also add red light breaking to the list of behaviours that is out of control.

Also the Pana restrictions are a complete joke at this stage.

Take a look at the Bad Parking Cork twitter account.

That account makes me sad

chalkitdown1

the beer revolu wrote: »

Take a look at the Bad Parking Cork twitter account.

Yeah, I follow that account. It's getting so bad nowadays that my feed is 80% pictures of bad parking in Cork at this stage.

Seth Brundle

It isn't just Cork unfortunately, it is nationally.
As mentioned, when those who should be enforcing the rules ignore them or blatantly breach them, there is little hope of change.

.red.

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057761511/1

This is worth a look. Some of the parking is bad, others are just taking the complete pi$$.

namloc1980

Seth Brundle wrote: »

It isn't just Cork unfortunately, it is nationally.
As mentioned, when those who should be enforcing the rules ignore them or blatantly breach them, there is little hope of change.

Park legally and go 10 minutes over on your disc and they're all over you, but park on the footpath, cycle lane, bus lane, double yellow, pedestrian plaza etc and you're grand.

opus

namloc1980 wrote: »

Park legally and go 10 minutes over on your disc and they're all over you, but park on the footpath, cycle lane, bus lane, double yellow, pedestrian plaza etc and you're grand.

Sadly true, I was cycling to work this morning & came across not one but two vans parked in the bike lane in the short distance between the South Main St junction & the Kino.

Mardyke

I've generally stopped going in town mainly due to the illegal parking and vehicle congestion in the city centre.

The council has failed the people of Cork. The city has zero leadership and is basically ran by a few developers and loud mouths like Nash and the Queens fishmonger.

the beer revolu

I go to town, regularly , for some hyperbole!

twowheelsonly

Somebody running in to town for 5 or 10 minutes to pick up something from 'X' shop is not going to go into a multi-storey.
Hundreds of on-street parking spaces have disappeared over the last few years to make way for cycle lanes and pedestrianisation.
The council have provided free 15 minute 'set-down' spaces on five streets in the city.
I'm just surprised there's not more bad parking.

namloc1980

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Somebody running in to town for 5 or 10 minutes to pick up something from 'X' shop is not going to go into a multi-storey.
Hundreds of on-street parking spaces have disappeared over the last few years to make way for cycle lanes and pedestrianisation.
The council have provided free 15 minute 'set-down' spaces on five streets in the city.
I'm just surprised there's not more bad parking.

Cyclists and pedestrians spend more in cities than motorists so why shouldn't they be accommodated more. A city shouldn't be based on the "I'm just pulling in for 5 minutes merchants" who are less useful to to the economics of the city as they are just flying through, not to mention the pollution they bring with them in their 2 ton metal boxes.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2018/11/16/cyclists-spend-40-more-in-londons-shops-than-motorists/?sh=4312c73d641e

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/509587/value-of-cycling.pdf

Padraig Mor

Mardyke wrote: »

I've generally stopped going in town mainly due to the illegal parking and vehicle congestion in the city centre.

The council has failed the people of Cork. The city has zero leadership and is basically ran by a few developers and loud mouths like Nash and the Queens fishmonger.

The irony of a known anti-car poster whinging about congestion caused in large part by the Council's anti-car policies......

PreCocious

the beer revolu wrote: »

I go to town, regularly , for some hyperbole!

Where do you get yours ? The small place in the market that I used get mine from no longer sells it. Something to do with Brexit I think.

shnaek

Mardyke wrote: »

Nash and the Queens fishmonger.

That'd be a great name for a show, maybe something like Scarecrow and Mrs King, but set in Cork.

the beer revolu

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Somebody running in to town for 5 or 10 minutes to pick up something from 'X' shop is not going to go into a multi-storey.
Hundreds of on-street parking spaces have disappeared over the last few years to make way for cycle lanes and pedestrianisation.
The council have provided free 15 minute 'set-down' spaces on five streets in the city.
I'm just surprised there's not more bad parking.

No city needs people driving to a city for 5 or 10 minutes to pick something up.
If these people are being discouraged from continuing to do this then something is working correctly.
Now, if only more people would get that message!

Chris_5339762

Get rid of those ridiculous Parking Discs and introduce normal paid parking.

twowheelsonly

namloc1980 wrote: »

Cyclists and pedestrians spend more in cities than motorists so why shouldn't they be accommodated more. A city shouldn't be based on the "I'm just pulling in for 5 minutes merchants" who are less useful to to the economics of the city as they are just flying through, not to mention the pollution they bring with them in their 2 ton metal boxes.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2018/11/16/cyclists-spend-40-more-in-londons-shops-than-motorists/?sh=4312c73d641e

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/509587/value-of-cycling.pdf

Those links you provided are akin to saying more people walk on Mount Everest than drive there. If you pedestrianise a whole area then of course you're going to have more people walking there. A lot of those people will have driven to the nearest car park though so they're still contributing to the local economy. All motorists are not flying through either - hence this thread is about parking

I presume that your aversion to those 'metal boxes' and their contribution to pollution means that you throw your new carpet / boxes of tiles / washing machine on your shoulder and walk home ? Cars are a necessary evil no matter how much people love or hate them.

the beer revolu wrote: »

No city needs people driving to a city for 5 or 10 minutes to pick something up.
If these people are being discouraged from continuing to do this then something is working correctly.
Now, if only more people would get that message!

Every single retailer in every single city would argue that point with you. They don't care how people get there, they just want people coming into the city, be it for five minutes or five hours.

namloc1980

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Those links you provided are akin to saying more people walk on Mount Everest than drive there. If you pedestrianise a whole area then of course you're going to have more people walking there. A lot of those people will have driven to the nearest car park though so they're still contributing to the local economy. All motorists are not flying through either - hence this thread is about parking

I presume that your aversion to those 'metal boxes' and their contribution to pollution means that you throw your new carpet / boxes of tiles / washing machine on your shoulder and walk home ? Cars are a necessary evil no matter how much people love or hate them.



Every single retailer in every single city would argue that point with you. They don't care how people get there, they just want people coming into the city, be it for five minutes or five hours.

By throwing in ridiculous stuff like this it really doesn't help your argument - it in fact weakens it considerably. A new carpet, tiles or a washing machine are not daily, monthly or even yearly purchases. It's just silly to introduce stuff like that.

Doesn't seem like you actually read those links so here's some bits of info from them:

"People also spent more time in the street, with a 216% increase in activity such as going into shops and cafés."

"Cyclists visit local shops more regularly, spending more than users of most other modes of transport"

"Per square metre, cycle parking delivers 5 times higher retail spend than the same area of car parkin"

This refers to streets that got pedestrian and cycling enhancements. You bemoaned all the lost street parking - but the evidence is clear, people friendly streets are much better for business than a motorist "just pulling in for 5 minutes". There is still thousands of car parking spaces in the city - it's not like they have all been wiped out, yet motorists are always moaning when other road users get infrastructure and many are so entitled that they think the city should be exclusively for their use only.

Celmullet

I use the parking app when parking in the city it is €2 for 2 hours even if you only intend to stop for 10 minutes. The parking app for Limerick starts at 50c for 30 minutes, which makes a lot more sense for those just picking something up in the city.

If you don't have parking paid or are parked illegally, then get the tow trucks out. People will quickly stop parking on paths if they come back to no car. It's not that difficult to park legally if you are willing to walk a minute.

Mardyke

Padraig Mor wrote: »

The irony of a known anti-car poster whinging about congestion caused in large part by the Council's anti-car policies......

Can't make head nor tail of what you're trying to say here, to be honest!!

chalkitdown1

Celmullet wrote: »

It's not that difficult to park legally if you are willing to walk a minute.

And therein lies the problem. Some people want to be able to park right outside the front door to wherever they're going. Worse still, they believe they're ENTITLED to it. Look at this shít today on Patrick Street outside Brown Thomas.

https://twitter.com/BadParkingCork/status/1397987494948388868?s=19

This might be the worst I've ever seen.

ofcork

In fairness thats one of the groups helping the homeless,they park on the footpath in the evenings same outside tw murrays.

yogmeister

ofcork wrote: »

In fairness thats one of the groups helping the homeless,they park on the footpath in the evenings same outside tw murrays.

In fairness just because they help people doesn't give them the right to park where they want .I cant park where I want because I help people too .Its a footpath ,its for walking .

beer enigma

I got a parking ticket yesterday from CCC for parking outside my own house ! Residential estate near the Silver Key that gets hammered on match days. I had a wheel up on the grass verge. It's a 2ft verge before you get to a full pavement. 16 years living here and never seen the like.

Just for background, if we all park on the road, nothing can get through, my last car was written off by a lorry, so yes I deliberately put a wheel up.

If they spent as much time sorting out the parking in town we wouldn't have a problem.

I've appealed but not holding out much hope

Curb Your Enthusiasm

It's illegal to park on a footway or grass verge. Although I understand your predicament there's no legal automatic right for people to be able to park their private properly directly outside their house on a public road.

Some people do this near me and it wrecks the paths/grass. Some others who care only about impeding traffic park on the paths and block pedestrians. This kind of mindset is evident throughout the country unfortunately.

Mardyke

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

It's illegal to park on a footway or grass verge. Although I understand your predicament there's no legal automatic right for people to be able to park their private properly directly outside their house on a public road.

Some people do this near me and it wrecks the paths/grass. Some others who care only about impeding traffic park on the paths and block pedestrians. This kind of mindset is evident throughout the country unfortunately.

Well said.

Its mind boggling, the mindset that decides a car "getting through" is more important than the safety of a person walking.

beer enigma

Mardyke wrote: »

Well said.

Its mind boggling, the mindset that decides a car "getting through" is more important than the safety of a person walking.

Just for info, we were advised by gardai letter to park on the verge to allow traffic flow. I've sent the gardai letter to the council. This followed a fire where the engine couldn't get through. Getting through is kinda important for a fire engine.

It's an avenue, the footpath is a metre wide, the verge is half a metre apart from that. The cars are way off the footpath.

Pick your battles

beer enigma

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

It's illegal to park on a footway or grass verge. Although I understand your predicament there's no legal automatic right for people to be able to park their private properly directly outside their house on a public road.

Some people do this near me and it wrecks the paths/grass. Some others who care only about impeding traffic park on the paths and block pedestrians. This kind of mindset is evident throughout the country unfortunately.

It's also illegal to obstruct the road which happens if we all park fully on it.

Mardyke

beer enigma wrote: »

Pick your battles

Wow!

Stop digging. For your own sake.

beer enigma

Mardyke wrote: »

Wow!

Stop digging. For your own sake.

Just providing a factual answer

Curb Your Enthusiasm

beer enigma wrote: »

It's also illegal to obstruct the road which happens if we all park fully on it.

Who is forcing you to park your private property on the public road or grass verge? Don't buy a car if you can't fit it somewhere legally or safely.

The fact Gardaí are actually advising you to park on a verge illegally doesn't surprise me in the slightest. They actively ignore footpath parking too. And do it themselves outside stations in the city centre.
This wouldn't be acceptable in any other country.

Thelonious Monk

Narrow residential streets with parking on both sides should be one way if possible, it means there's enough room to park on both sides of the road and ambulances etc can still get through. That seems to be how it works in Spain, from my experience there.

two wheels good

beer enigma wrote: »

It's also illegal to obstruct the road which happens if we all park fully on it.

No it's not. (Assuming no yellow lines and not single carraigeway with solid white centre line)
Park on the road not on the footpath. It's not complicated.

Mardyke

Is it because a lot of people in the 1970s got driver licences without having to do a test, that so many people in Ireland don't know how to drive or know the rules of the road?

Or is it just ignorance, like any other country?

beer enigma

two wheels good wrote: »

No it's not. (Assuming no yellow lines and not single carraigeway with solid white centre line)
Park on the road not on the footpath. It's not complicated.

It is illegal to park in a way which interferes with traffic flow or obstructs or endangers other road users

Quote from CCC website

https://www.corkcity.ie/en/council-services/services/parking-services/where-to-park/

beer enigma

Mardyke wrote: »

Is it because a lot of people in the 1970s got driver licences without having to do a test, that so many people in Ireland don't know how to drive or know the rules of the road?

Or is it just ignorance, like any other country?

I presume that's pointed at me

Just for clarification, in 39 years of driving, having fully passed the test, I've never had a parking ticket as I've obeyed the rules of the road. If you want to come down to my road and tell the 60+ cars lumped here on match days how to park then good luck to you.

I've been living here 16 years, you obviously know better.

Oh and just for info, the council have written back this afternoon rescinding the ticket as the road is a main thoroughfare for emergency vehicle and exempt from that regulation. Delighted it was an oversight, but obviously I'm just some ignorant

Mardyke

beer enigma wrote: »

I presume that's pointed at me

Just for clarification, in 39 years of driving, having fully passed the test, I've never had a parking ticket as I've obeyed the rules of the road. If you want to come down to my road and tell the 60+ cars lumped here on match days how to park then good luck to you.

I've been living here 16 years, you obviously know better.

Oh and just for info, the council have written back this afternoon rescinding the ticket as the road is a main thoroughfare for emergency vehicle and exempt from that regulation. Delighted it was an oversight, but obviously I'm just some ignorant

It was more a general question, really.

By the way, CCC are one of the biggest offenders of illegal parking in the city. They also have zero interest in safety of Cork citizens.

Yer as bad as eachother!

donvito99

beer enigma wrote: »

It is illegal to park in a way which interferes with traffic flow or obstructs or endangers other road users

Quote from CCC website

https://www.corkcity.ie/en/council-services/services/parking-services/where-to-park/

And illegal to park on a footpath or grass verge.

So between the Guards and the council you'll have to park around the corner or build a driveway.

sprucemoose

donvito99 wrote: »

or build a driveway.

which you wont get planning permission for unless you know the right people

beer enigma

Mardyke wrote: »

It was more a general question, really.

By the way, CCC are one of the biggest offenders of illegal parking in the city. They also have zero interest in safety of Cork citizens.

Yer as bad as eachother!

I couldn't agree more in terms of the council failing daily in terms of allowing shoddy parking in the city which endangers pedestrians and cyclists. I'm 100% with you, but in this instance, unless you know the road, criticism is unfair.

I'm all for the rules and has been proven, obeyed by them. I say again, pick your battles. Respect your opinion but in this case justice done.

We get absolutely slaughtered by match day parking, nothing is ever done. They'd rather spend their resources on one single guy like me that send a bike into to city and get the real offenders

beer enigma

donvito99 wrote: »

And illegal to park on a footpath or grass verge.

So between the Guards and the council you'll have to park around the corner or build a driveway.

I'm going multi story, seems to get planning easily

beer enigma

Oh and as for one of the cyclists on this thread that pmd me....I'd remind you it was my son that spent 4 months in hospital when a fully grown cyclist hit my kid on the footpath outside of my house.

It wasn't Curb by the way, he's a decent bloke

namloc1980

Mardyke wrote: »

It was more a general question, really.

By the way, CCC are one of the biggest offenders of illegal parking in the city. They also have zero interest in safety of Cork citizens.

Yer as bad as eachother!

What absolutely sums up the Council on this issue is when they changed a lot of their fleet to electric vehicles last year. There was big fanfare and a lot of backslapping and "look how great and sustainable we are" self congratulations going on. Big photo shoots and all:



And then instead of providing appropriate and suitably located charging points for these vehicles in the city centre they just use the Grand Parade and illegally park up on the pedestrian plaza with a charging lead trailing on the ground in the side door to the library, which is a daily occurrence. Shambolic.

Mefistofelino

Mardyke wrote: »

Is it because a lot of people in the 1970s got driver licences without having to do a test, that so many people in Ireland don't know how to drive or know the rules of the road?

Or is it just ignorance, like any other country?

There are about three million licences in Ireland - about 10% of those are learner permits.
(Over 35,000 learners are on at least their 4th permit and 1 in 7 of those are on their 11th permit.)

The number of "non-test" licences issued by Sylvester Barrett in 1979 was over 60,000. That was 42 years ago - you can't pin poor driving practices on that for ever. Even if all those drivers were still on the road it only constitutes around 2.5% of the current pool of full licences. And anyone who qualified for a licence under that amnesty would be at least 60 now, so if someone younger than that is driving like a twat, its not the amnesty that's the problem.

The "its the free licences, Joe" trope is up there with "garlic man".

ofcork

2 cars and a van parked in the cycle lane on the mall near electric earlier!

Mardyke

ofcork wrote: »

2 cars and a van parked in the cycle lane on the mall near electric earlier!

Quite likely belong to people doing work in Electric. Disgraceful that this is not dealt with by the authorities.

ofcork

Warden was around on grand parade alright ticketing a van parked in a taxi rank,he might have done them.

TheChizler

One of the worst I've ever seen.
https://twitter.com/BadParkingCork/status/1401294755716292608?s=19

ofcork

Traffic wardens working today but only ticketing bad parking!!

questionmark?

I must say this was satisfying

https://twitter.com/righttobikeit/status/1401891128136318976?s=19

LOL