Two Payments Really

faolteam

Folks could you tell me can you get the Socila Welfare and the Pup Payment

I was told recently about a person who is on the Social Welfare but started running a business about 9 months ago and can clam the Social Welfare and will eventually get less, ie €80 less, Social Welfare but she decided to put the business on hold because of Covid, but was told she can claim the Pup Payment and continue on the Social Welfare,

So is this possible you can Claim both, id be very Surprised.

Cerveza

Has she a free house also?

Cherry Blossom

It depends what payment she is on. For example I believe you can get DA and Pup at the same time.

faolteam

Cherry Blossom wrote: »

It depends what payment she is on. For example I believe you can get DA and Pup at the same time.

So this is possible , i must say i was taken back when i heard this, Strange

There is a social welfare "start your own business" Scheme, can't recall the name of it, but it gets you off the dole and into your own business.


You get to keep 100% of your dole for the first year, 50% for the second year, and you're on your own from then onwards.


I suppose, in theory, it's not inconceivable that someone would be able to get their dole payment, and claim for PUP, if they were on this scheme and their business had to close.


I'm just not sure, if you only started the business 9 months ago, how you'd demonstrate to Revenue what your income was prior to covid, as you need to be able to tell them so they can figure out what rate of PUP you're entitled to.

con747

I don't know if it's possible or not, but why would you find it strange if it is a person with a disability trying to start a business getting some financial support in the process and not lose their benefits until they reach whatever monetary threshold the department of social welfare set. Fair play to them if it's all done legally.

Dodge

faolteam wrote: »

Folks could you tell me can you get the Socila Welfare and the Pup Payment

I was told recently about a person who is on the Social Welfare but started running a business about 9 months ago and can clam the Social Welfare and will eventually get less, ie €80 less, Social Welfare but she decided to put the business on hold because of Covid, but was told she can claim the Pup Payment and continue on the Social Welfare,

So is this possible you can Claim both, id be very Surprised.

Without being harsh, you need to be very weary about these “I was told about a person claiming x,y & z” especially when someone calls one of the payments “the social welfare”. They’re usually not true.

If you get the exact name of the payment they were on, you might get the answer you want because there’s dozens of ‘social welfare’ payments

Cherry Blossom

faolteam wrote: »

So this is possible , i must say i was taken back when i heard this, Strange

I'm not sure why you'd be taken aback or find it strange. People on DA are allowed to work so it stands to reason that they can get Pup if their work is not happening due to covid. Their DA is adjusted accordingly. To refuse workers with disabilities the Pup payment would be discrimination.

Why is everyone banging on about disability? OP never mentioned such a thing?

Cherry Blossom

Deleted User wrote: »

Why is everyone banging on about disability? OP never mentioned such a thing?

Its just an example of a payment this applies to. They never mentioned a start your own business scheme either so why are you banging on about that.

con747

Deleted User wrote: »

Why is everyone banging on about disability? OP never mentioned such a thing?

Maybe look at post #4

faolteam

Deleted User wrote: »

Why is everyone banging on about disability? OP never mentioned such a thing?

Thanks KKV I didn't Mention it,

I just said the Word " Strange ", and the only reason i said that was the Amount of Self Employed who may have not had a Good income for Certain Years,Could Be unlucky and this would reflect in there Pup Payments,

Yet Somebody who Just Starts off can get Both :rolleyes:

"" but started running a business about 9 months ago "" Think that Covers a Start your own Business Scheme,

con747

faolteam wrote: »

Thanks KKV I didn't Mention it,

I just said the Word " Strange ", and the only reason i said that was the Amount of Self Employed who may have not had a Good income for Certain Years,Could Be unlucky and this would reflect in there Pup Payments,

Yet Somebody who Just Starts off can get Both :rolleyes:

You commented on a post that did though. :rolleyes: Which is why it was brought up by me in my post.

Peregrinus

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Why is everyone banging on about disability? OP never mentioned such a thing?

OP mentioned a social welfare payment, but didn't say which payment. Disablity benefit is a social welfare payment, and it's one of the payments which can be paid along with PUP, so it's an obvious possible answer to the OP's question.

Dempo1

The OP seems more taken aback at the notion of PUP and or SW payments.

Whilst it's technically possible a recipient of PUP may have been on a specific minimum SW payment, for example a reduced hours payment, a disability payment, a start your own business scheme etc, PUP was and continued to be open to Students, Part time employees, full time employees and Self employed all of whose employment was affected by the pandemic. I'd be pretty sure the Department would have reviewed existing payments etc. Also worth pointing out to the OP, PUP was only awarded to those IN SOME SORT OF EMPLOYMENT prior to PUP being IMPLEMENTED, It was NOT given to anyone on a FULL SW benifit such as JSA/B, disibilty etc prior to PUP Being implemented.

Admittedly there was abuses, frauds etc at the very start but that was dealt with quickly and I'm not at suggesting this is the case of the OP"s somewhat questionable concerns.

Finally and I'm sure the OP will be relieved to know, not only is PUP taxable but also a detailed review of levels of actual payments was done and implemented last September whereby over 50% saw their payment reduced from €350 PW to rates of €300, €250 and €203 pw, these were based on claimants previous Gross earnings.

Hope this offers some insight for the concerned OP.

Vaccinated30

WFP can be claimed with PUP aswell.
Last year we got 280e WFP and 350e PUP

Dempo1

Vaccinated30 wrote: »

WFP can be claimed with PUP aswell.
Last year we got 280e WFP and 350e PUP

Yes exactly another type of payment issued alongside PUP (Working Family Payment)

Cherry Blossom

Cherry Blossom wrote: »

They never mentioned a start your own business scheme either so why are you banging on about that.

Maybe get the glasses check, there, Cherry, good lad yourself.

faolteam wrote: »

started running a business about 9 months ago and can clam the Social Welfare

Cherry Blossom

You can start your own business and remain on DA. Here is a list of payments you can stay on and still get Pup.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2020/si/573/made/en/print

You’ll notice there is nothing on there about start your own business schemes.

Also I’m not a lad.

faolteam

Dempo1 wrote: »

The OP seems more taken aback at the notion of PUP and or SW payments.



Finally and I'm sure the OP will be relieved to know, not only is PUP taxable but also a detailed review of levels of actual payments was done and implemented last September whereby over 50% saw their payment reduced from €350 PW to rates of €300, €250 and €203 pw, these were based on claimants previous Gross earnings.

Hope this offers some insight for the concerned OP.

claimants previous Gross earnings. was on the dole for the last twenty years only started this up beginning of pandemic, to be honest i should have tried this too, would have two payments coming in for Claiming of the State all these years :rolleyes:

con747

Op you are making a lot of assumptions based on hearsay and no evidence.

Cherry Blossom

If you think there is something untoward going on and have some evidence of same feel free to report this person. How could you possibly know they are on Jobseekers? Otherwise mind your own business.

I seem to be the only person in the country that got a job because of the pandemic. I was starting to think about joining the the horse box coffee wagon brigade. I don’t drink coffee though so I wouldn’t know if what I was selling was good or not. Anyway I got a temporary job covering COVID absences in essential retail. I finished up two weeks ago and start a permanent job next week. I’m still entitled to claim a portion of my DA. Thems the rules.

Geuze

As an example of receiving more than one welfare payment, I think it's possible to get:

OPFP + Qualified Child Increase + Child Benefit + Working Family Payment + wages

faolteam

Blossom, im Simply asking a question and your telling me to mind my own Business, and your a Moderator,

con747

Op do you have any problems with people getting social welfare? I just don't understand your problem with someone getting a social welfare benefit while trying to start a business. For some reason this appears to be bothering you that this person is doing this and unless you have proof it's being done fraudulently I see see no problem with them doing it.

Dempo1

faolteam wrote: »

claimants previous Gross earnings. was on the dole for the last twenty years only started this up beginning of pandemic, to be honest i should have tried this too, would have two payments coming in for Claiming of the State all these years :rolleyes:

I've absolutely no idea what your point is and I pretty much doubt any right minded person would?

But just so you understand my point re gross pay assessment, it was deemed, rightly or wrongly as a gauge to determine the rate of PUP a person should get, but note the point, Gross pay, this would mean the recepients were working prior to pandemic and too my mind absolutely entitled to some levels of support.

KeithTS

I also heard from a stranger that this person I never met also gets 4 buggies a week for kids they don't have. Because the buses are running at reduced capacity the buggies are just left at the roadside and then a new one is claimed daily...

What is it with people shoving their noses into other peoples business. Some people are entitled to supports, I'm sure it's taken advantage of sometimes but in general it's a great thing and as a high earning tax payer, I'm very happy that a (hopefully relatively high) percentage of my taxable income goes towards supporting people who may be less fortunate than I am.

We really need a thread where people who pay taxes show what services they're happy contributing towards and stop the bitching and moaning about fictional "person A gets something I don't and I'm outraged as a result" threads. We live in a place that attempts to lend a hand to those around us. It's flawed but be grateful just in case you're unlucky enough to need it one day.

noodler

You can't get JSA/JBA (ie. Traditional unemployment benefit) with PUP.

Hoboo

PUP can definitely be claimed with BTWEA. Level of PUP is dependent on your contributions 2 years ago IIRC. I know a girl who started her own business almost 2 years ago, was receiving second year BTWEA of 150 and 350 PUP for the first few months, then was reduced to 150+200 PUP. All above board.