Car registered as a bus!

Catglee

Just bought a car 2nd hand, got the registration docs thru.. And the car is classed as a bus (its a S350 so def not a bus)... Its tax is something ridiculous like 60 quid when I check online.
As its the first time taxing in my name I need to go into the tax office.
The motor tax office has made the mistake here, and has collected the lower tax off the previous owner for the past 4 years, is it incumbent on me to advise them and get the cars registration docs amended or what are the ramifications for me to continue to tax the car as it is.
Thanks all

elperello

Are you sure it's not an SPSV ?

Catglee

elperello wrote: »

Are you sure it's not an SPSV ?

Yes, def says bus

Atlantic Dawn

If you check on motortax.ie does it give a rate for it? If you look on cartell.ie what is the vehicle listed as?

Strumms

It’s cheaper to tax a bus by far then a car.... wtf is that about ?

It’s a weird dumb country this sometimes.

greasepalm

Is it from India and can carry 40 people?

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

Mercedes S350

It's obviously taxed as a SPSV which is a taxi/hackney or limousine.

No issue, fairly normal

vandriver

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Mercedes S350

It's obviously taxed as a SPSV which is a taxi/hackney or limousine.

No issue, fairly normal

Out of the 3,600 limo plates in issue today ,2000 are listed as inactive.
That's potentially a lot of fairly decent well looked after big cars for sale.

Peregrinus

Strumms wrote: »

It’s cheaper to tax a bus by far then a car.... wtf is that about ?

It’s a weird dumb country this sometimes.

Most countries tax public transport vehicles more cheaply than private vehicles. The reasons for this are obvious, if you give it a moment's thought.

frozenfrozen

Yes to encourage people to register their S class as a bus obviously

_Kaiser_

Presumably though the OP can't continue to tax it at that rate unless he's actually working as a taxi/hackney driver?

frozenfrozen

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Presumably though the OP can't continue to tax it at that rate unless he's actually working as a taxi/hackney driver?

Same as island tax its not valid after a change of ownership as far as I understand

DaveyDave

Peregrinus wrote: »

Most countries tax public transport vehicles more cheaply than private vehicles. The reasons for this are obvious, if you give it a moment's thought.

I don't see why a motorhome or tractor should be cheaper to insure than a lot of bigger engined cars. Even my mam's 1.4 petrol automatic Opel Mokka cost more to tax than a Scania truck...

Whatever about a bus, taxis though? My old neighbor's had new enough 5 series, big Mercs or Audi's. Taxi drivers clearly aren't hurting.

Strumms

Peregrinus wrote: »

Most countries tax public transport vehicles more cheaply than private vehicles. The reasons for this are obvious, if you give it a moment's thought.

Not quite.

A bus is a revenue generator.....

The owner / operator has more ability to pay then a car owner whose car is not generating a cent, it exists as a cost only.

Public transport vehicles are on the road for multiple more hours of the day, inducing wear and tear etc... so I’d simply expect them to pay their fair fûcking share, which they can, just don’t...

A motor tax is not meant to be a motorized vehicle deterrent fee..

Peregrinus

Strumms wrote: »

Not quite.

A bus is a revenue generator.....

The owner / operator has more ability to pay then a car owner whose car is not generating a cent, it exists as a cost only.

Public transport vehicles are on the road for multiple more hours of the day, inducing wear and tear etc... so I’d simply expect them to pay their fair fûcking share, which they can, just don’t...

A motor tax is not meant to be a motorized vehicle deterrent fee..

Ability to pay is not the issue. If it were, the tax would be graduated according to the income or wealth of the owner, not to the characteristics of the vehicle.

Motor tax is generally an attempt to recover, from road users, at least a part of the (very considerable) cost of providing and maintaining the roads. It's broadly graduated according to the amount of wear and tear a vehicle causes to the road, and to other demands associated with the vehicle.

On that view, of course, a bus should be taxed much more heavily than a car, since a bus weighs much more than a car. So why doesn't that happen? Because (the thinking is) a bus displaces car journeys. The wear and tear on the road caused by the bus is dramatically less than the wear and tear that would be cause if all the journeys made in the bus were made in private cars. Plus, the bus has much less requirement for parking associated with the journeys it makes, and the provision of on-road parking for private vehicle is a significant expense.

This is less true of the taxi, but still somewhat true. Hence the generally favourable motor tax rates for PSVs in Ireland and elsewhere.

Motor tax is not, as you say, meant to be a motorized vehicle deterrent fee. But in the developed world it is mostly tailored to the public policy objective of disincentivising private motoring and encouraging public transport.

Wishbone Ash

Perhaps the previous owner was one of those rural types who weirdly refer to a car as 'bus'.

'She's a lovely bus'
'He got a new bus'
'That's some bus he has'

maestroamado

Catglee wrote: »

Just bought a car 2nd hand, got the registration docs thru.. And the car is classed as a bus (its a S350 so def not a bus)... Its tax is something ridiculous like 60 quid when I check online.
As its the first time taxing in my name I need to go into the tax office.
The motor tax office has made the mistake here, and has collected the lower tax off the previous owner for the past 4 years, is it incumbent on me to advise them and get the cars registration docs amended or what are the ramifications for me to continue to tax the car as it is.
Thanks all

It is what it is just tax it on-line.
On the log doc what is its discription...

ELM327

maestroamado wrote: »

It is what it is just tax it on-line.
On the log doc what is its discription...

You can't tax it online for the first disc issue after change of ownership


Unless OP can go to the tax office with SPSV license and insurance, they wont be able to tax the car at all and will instead have to submit a change of particulars

_Kaiser_

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Perhaps the previous owner was one of those rural types who weirdly refer to a car as 'bus'.

'She's a lovely bus'
'He got a new bus'
'That's some bus he has'

I always took that to mean a car that's big or has presence myself.

_Kaiser_

ELM327 wrote: »

You can't tax it online for the first disc issue after change of ownership


Unless OP can go to the tax office with SPSV license and insurance, they wont be able to tax the car at all and will instead have to submit a change of particulars

Yes you can. I did it last week. You don't even need to have physically received the VRC.

Once the VRC has updated at the back-end (check the "change of ownership" section on the motor tax site), go online and request a new PIN, enter the details (address etc) that will now match the VRC and a PIN will be sent to your email.

Login and pay as normal.

HOWEVER, given that the OP will not be using the car as a taxi/limo there are definite issues here around the rates and probably insurance. If he gets stopped or has an accident it could cost him a lot more than the proper tax rate.

ELM327

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Yes you can. I did it last week. You don't even need to have physically received the VRC.

Once the VRC has updated at the back-end (check the "change of ownership" section on the motor tax site), go online and request a new PIN, enter the details (address etc) that will now match the VRC and a PIN will be sent to your email.

Login and pay as normal.

HOWEVER, given that the OP will not be using the car as a taxi/limo there are definite issues here around the rates and probably insurance. If he gets stopped or has an accident it could cost him a lot more than the proper tax rate.

You can't as I've literally tried to do the same thing and it states this vehicle is not eligible for online motor taxing and directs you to a RF100a form

It doesnt work for SPSV, Goods vehicles etc.
What you describe only works for private vehicles

monkeybutter

FIIIIIIIIGHT!!!!!

maestroamado

ELM327 wrote: »

You can't tax it online for the first disc issue after change of ownership


Unless OP can go to the tax office with SPSV license and insurance, they wont be able to tax the car at all and will instead have to submit a change of particulars

Well the last 3 vehicles i taxed for the first time i did on-line.
I notice down the page said different for bus etc...

ELM327

There's no fight.

ELM327

maestroamado wrote: »

Well the last 3 vehicles i taxed for the first time i did on-line.
I notice down the page said different for bus etc...

Absolutely.
It's only for private vehicles, i've done the same myself.


Other classes (SPSV, Island, Limo, Goods, etc) cannot be taxed online at the change of ownership and must be taxed using RF100A via post or in person at the (currently closed) tax offices

Brian Scan

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Perhaps the previous owner was one of those rural types who weirdly refer to a car as 'bus'.

'She's a lovely bus'
'He got a new bus'
'That's some bus he has'

Referring to a car as "she" is much weirder than referring to it as a "bus".

maestroamado

Brian Scan wrote: »

Referring to a car as "she" is much weirder than referring to it as a "bus".

Do you know what a guitarra is...
Its not a car or a bus but its???
Have a guess..

Gumbo

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Mercedes S350

It's obviously taxed as a SPSV which is a taxi/hackney or limousine.

No issue, fairly normal

Is a limo/SPSV motor tax not €90?

vandriver

Gumbo wrote: »

Is a limo/SPSV motor tax not €90?

Limo,taxi,hackney and school bus are all €95

Lord Nikon

elperello wrote: »

Are you sure it's not an SPSV ?

SPSV motortax is €94.

vandriver

Lord Nikon wrote: »

SPSV motortax is €94.

If you just look one post up,you'll get the correct information.

Lord Nikon

vandriver wrote: »

If you just look one post up,you'll get the correct information.

Soz, must have hit the 4 by mistake. My bad.

Catglee

So I sent away the form for the change of reg details, including noting my card details for payment of the tax.
They took the payment.
They sent back a new vlc.

The new vlc still noted it as a bus.

Unbelievable Jeff

BorneTobyWilde

Bus ****

elperello

Catglee wrote: »

So I sent away the form for the change of reg details, including noting my card details for payment of the tax.
They took the payment.
They sent back a new vlc.

The new vlc still noted it as a bus.

Unbelievable Jeff

Strange.

What amount did they take in the payment?

ZX7R

Catglee wrote: »

So I sent away the form for the change of reg details, including noting my card details for payment of the tax.
They took the payment.
They sent back a new vlc.

The new vlc still noted it as a bus.

Unbelievable Jeff

Could the previous owner be a taxi/ hanki owner.
Could they have registered their private vehicle through their business

Spook_ie

Changing tax class uses form rf111, not sure if change of ownership has a function to do this, however, now you are the registered owner you can apply for correct tax and use form rf111, surely?

jimmycrackcorm

ZX7R wrote: »

Could the previous owner be a taxi/ hanki owner.
Could they have registered their private vehicle through their business

I think I've identified this particular bus.