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Does anyone recognize this kids jersey? Europol is looking for tips to help identify

  • 10-05-2021 11:03am
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    Registered Users Posts: 10 Dogguy


    For the image and more information please google “europol trace an object” and it will be the first result. The jersey is item number 2 of 15.

    This is part of an initiative by europol called "Save a Child, Trace an Object". This initiative posts images of objects seen in child pornography. Europol has been unable to identify these items but believes they could hold key information for their investigations. None of these images include any kind of child pornography but could be upsetting knowing the context so warning before you go in. These objects are low quality stills that can't be found through reverse image searching and all other leads have been exhausted. Their identification depends on someone recognizing these objects and sending on the information.

    The reason why I am posting this now is because it was updated today, May 10 2021. Some objects have been removed but specifically this shirt that appears to be a rugby shirt is still there unidentified.


    From their website :
    We are releasing today to the public a series of new Stop Child Abuse – Trace An Object images in an attempt to solve child sexual abuse cold cases.

    All six pictures – a t-shirt, a wristband, a bag – have been cropped out of child sexual abuse footage from cases investigators have yet to solve – some of them months old, some years old – before being digitally enhanced and posted online.

    Investigators are hoping that certain details in the images might serve as clues and that members of the public will recognise a detail which could down the line lead to a child being rescued from harm.

    For all images below, every other investigative avenue has already been examined. Therefore we are requesting your assistance in identifying the origin of some of these objects. We are convinced that more eyes will lead to more leads and will ultimately help to save these children. Can you help us recognise the objects? We specifically want to trace their origin (location/country). You can help by clicking on an object you recognise and providing Europol with the information you have on the object. This can be done anonymously. Once the origin of an object is identified, we will inform the competent law enforcement authority of the involved country to further investigate this lead and hopefully speed up the identification of both the offender and the victim.


    The jersey here seems to me to be a kids 2007-2009 IRFU o2 jersey. The reason why I’m posting here is because there seem to be three letters at the bottom possibly ending in “SC”. I believe that this jersey could possibly be a limited run for a charity or event partnership. It's believed that this jersey is an unofficial knockoff. In either case identifying the team that this shirt is modelled after could give invaluable information

    KEY FEATURES

    dark green jersey, actual hue of the green may not be accurate because it could have been affected by the camera or image quality
    White neckline, unusual, possibly asymettrical
    white piping across the top
    white on the sleeves
    white lettering on main part of the top, looks like an O with a tail, possibly a Q or some other kind of symbol. possibly o2 logo
    white lettering below that, appears to be 3 letters with first letter partially obscured but there could be more folded in the fabric. could be indicative of a limited run or a team name or player name
    wide darker green stripe around the middle

    POSSIBLE THREE LETTER ANNAGRAMS THAT WOULD FIT :
    ASC, BSC, ESC, PSC, RSC
    2SC, 3SC, 5SC, 7SC, 8SC

    ASG, BSG, ESG, PSG, RSG
    2SG, 3SG, 5SG, 7SG, 8SG

    FONT RECREATION
    Gidea wrote: »
    Think i've got close to the font used by uploading the image into whatthefont

    And here it is on a green background similar to the jersey


    Using that with google image search I got a logo that somewhat matches the jersey for this company here



    Might be worth asking them if they've ever sponsored a jersey?


    EDIT:

    Might be worth noting that the last letter could also be a G depending on the font type,

    So could be looking at PSG, DSG, 3SG, etc

    example

    if this is an IRFU Some possible partnerships could be:

    Autism Awareness Ireland (official charity partner with o2 and IRFU at the time)
    Scoil Mhuire Coolcott, Wicklow (official charity partner with o2 and IRFU at the time)

    Schools Rugby Program (IRFU program 2007)
    Ulster Bank “Summer Scrummage” (IRFU program 2007)
    Community Development Program (IRFU program 2007)
    Reward For Development Scheme (IRFU program 2007)
    Club Support Scheme (IRFU program 2007)

    Make A Wish (possible customized shirt)

    RUGBY SPONSORS CONSORTIUM (possible meaning of the acronym RSC )



    Please comment below if you have any leads or send a tip in by clicking on the item on the website and filling out the form. To make it anonymous do not fill out the email part.


    reference image of the actual Ireland jersey in question
    prawnsambo wrote: »
    This is the 2007-09 jersey which is quite like the one above. There are obvious features missing - the IRFU logo for one and the positioning of (what looks like) the O2 logo. Collar and pinstripes look similar, but the end of the sleeve (white) is different. Could well be a knock-off. Also the colour looks more like the SA green than the Irish green.



    Some details are missing but I thought this could possibly be a knock off version. This is the best possible image of it so the quality is quite low. I'm hoping that whether it's the IRFU one or not that someone might recognize this and have some information. Thank you

    EDIT: Image of another possibility, the 2007 - 2008 Sasol South African jersey:
    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Here's a South African jersey from the same era. Note the Sasol branding which looks very similar to that sample.

    EDIT: a possible lead for the lettering on the front possibly being "RSC" and standing for the "Rugby Sponsors Consortium"
    There's an organisation called the Rugby Sponsors Consortium that work with and help support grass roots rugby teams.

    Perhaps the jersey is related to something they've done over the years. It looks most like an RSC to me.

    EDIT: updating with the original jersey I saw that I thought this resembled. It's another 2007-2009 IRFU jersey but it has the unusual asymmetrical neck line and the darker band across the middle.
    Dogguy wrote: »
    So I actually found the jersey that I originally thought this looked like. It's also a 2007-2009 Irish IRFU jersey but it's different to the ones that have been posted here so far.

    The image can be seen at oldrugbyshirts (dot) com . It is listed under "rugby union international teams" > "europe" > "ireland" and is the first one labeled "2007-2009" "home (3)". If someone can post the direct link or the image I would be grateful as my account is too new to post images.

    EDIT link and image of the alternate 2007-2009 IRFU jersey
    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Not the same jersey. Collar is different; the one in the Europol image is a V neck. The one we're looking for is definitely a Canterbury or Canterbury knock-off. The Sasol branding places it in SA. Also would point out that the one in the Europol pic is quite likely an adult size worn by a kid - hence all the folds.



    OTHER POSSIBLE TEAM, NIGERIAN SUPER SOCCER TEAM WITH 3 LETTERS THAT MATCH
    Image looks greener on Google images. It links to a super soccer club fb page in Nigeria. Green jersey 3SC on the jersey


    I'll try to keep updating this to keep up with any useful information contributed here. Thank you so much all of you. I didn't expect such a response. It makes me feel like if we can't find something we could at least eliminate some variables


Comments

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭ Scotty #


    The image in question...

    g2012020.png?itok=onrLAEcZ


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,030 ✭✭✭✭ Squidgy Black


    This is the image the OP refers to

    g2012020.png?itok=rPMLr7UP

    Doesn't look like the jersey you're referring to to me though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭ hots


    Doesn't look like an irish rugby jersey to me, it should be gettable though... the crest at the top right is unusually shaped, the SC is quite distinct and the font probably ages the sponsor (first letter looks like an R with a star/eagle in it to me). The middle top looks somewhere between a Q and a lower case G, some font experts could probably work it out... Bottle green with an unusual pin-stripe... fit of the shirt is a bit strange too, as is the collar... early 2000s football shirt or a more recent fan-fit rugby shirt maybe?


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,566 ✭✭✭✭ Hello 2D Person Below


    There's an organisation called the Rugby Sponsors Consortium that work with and help support grass roots rugby teams.

    Perhaps the jersey is related to something they've done over the years. It looks most like an RSC to me.

    https://thersc.org/


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,308 ✭✭✭✭ prawnsambo


    hots wrote: »
    Doesn't look like an irish rugby jersey to me, it should be gettable though... the crest at the top right is unusually shaped, the SC is quite distinct and the font probably ages the sponsor (first letter looks like an R with a star/eagle in it to me). The middle top looks somewhere between a Q and a lower case G, some font experts could probably work it out... Bottle green with an unusual pin-stripe... fit of the shirt is a bit strange too, as is the collar... early 2000s football shirt or a more recent fan-fit rugby shirt maybe?
    This is the 2007-09 jersey which is quite like the one above. There are obvious features missing - the IRFU logo for one and the positioning of (what looks like) the O2 logo. Collar and pinstripes look similar, but the end of the sleeve (white) is different. Could well be a knock-off. Also the colour looks more like the SA green than the Irish green.



    2007-2009-ireland-rugby-union-shirt-adults-medium-10601-1-p.jpg?w=500&h=375&v=9B5DB691-214A-46B1-8331-D87D22FB4F4C


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10 Dogguy


    This is the image the OP refers to



    Doesn't look like the jersey you're referring to to me though.

    thankyou, that's the image. I think I got the date wrong and I was looking at the 2008 irfu jersey. It's the second image search result for " o2 rugby kids 2008 irfu". I'm not able to post pictures or links on my account yet unfortunately. I'm obviously not much of a rugby man so I came here because I saw a similarity with the distinctive neckline, the white piping, and the O2 on the front. If it's not that and someone else recognizes it from somewhere else that would be even better.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,308 ✭✭✭✭ prawnsambo


    Here's a South African jersey from the same era. Note the Sasol branding which looks very similar to that sample.

    2007-2008-south-africa-rugby-union-shirt-xl-13207-p.jpg?w=500&h=375&v=4DA4520F-C066-4BAA-A123-5F94DF055538


  • Registered Users Posts: 10 Dogguy


    There's an organisation called the Rugby Sponsors Consortium that work with and help support grass roots rugby teams.

    Perhaps the jersey is related to something they've done over the years. It looks most like an RSC to me.

    holy hell that's a good lead even if just to eliminate them from the search. Thank you


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,308 ✭✭✭✭ prawnsambo


    Dogguy wrote: »
    holy hell that's a good lead even if just to eliminate them from the search. Thank you
    There's one thing for sure. That styling is by Canterbury and very identifiable. But it looks like the Canterbury logo is either missing or lost in a fold. So either an original or a knock off. And I'm pretty certain that it's the Sasol branding that is visible with the beginning and end lost in folds.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,737 ✭✭✭ jacothelad


    The lettering is reminiscent of those found on college sports teams in the US.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10 Dogguy


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Here's a South African jersey from the same era. Note the Sasol branding which looks very similar to that sample.

    added this to the main post, multiple people are speculating that it's a knockoff of SASOL south african jersey so that's a good lead to follow. Thankyou


  • Registered Users Posts: 10 Dogguy


    So I actually found the jersey that I originally thought this looked like. It's also a 2007-2009 Irish IRFU jersey but it's different to the ones that have been posted here so far.

    The image can be seen at oldrugbyshirts (dot) com . It is listed under "rugby union international teams" > "europe" > "ireland" and is the first one labeled "2007-2009" "home (3)". If someone can post the direct link or the image I would be grateful as my account is too new to post images.

    It includes the unusual neckline, the white banding around the sleeves, and the darker stripe around the middle.

    It's not conclusive but could give a clearer picture of what the jersey may look like.

    If you recognize this from anywhere or know anyone who might please share the information. The website has been updated this morning taking multiple items out that have been identified by the public but this jersey has been there for about a year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,308 ✭✭✭✭ prawnsambo


    Not the same jersey. Collar is different; the one in the Europol image is a V neck. The one we're looking for is definitely a Canterbury or Canterbury knock-off. The Sasol branding places it in SA. Also would point out that the one in the Europol pic is quite likely an adult size worn by a kid - hence all the folds.

    rugby_shirt_4715_2_472x354x1.jpg

    rugby_shirt_4715_1_266x354x1.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭✭✭ TrangiaCoffee


    Image looks greener on Google images. It links to a super soccer club fb page in Nigeria. Green jersey 3SC on the jersey
    https://images.app.goo.gl/y3C9fKKLBvNz3nSs9


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,769 ✭✭✭ KaneToad


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Here's a South African jersey from the same era. Note the Sasol branding which looks very similar to that sample.

    2007-2008-south-africa-rugby-union-shirt-xl-13207-p.jpg?w=500&h=375&v=4DA4520F-C066-4BAA-A123-5F94DF055538

    Sasol was the first thing that came to my mind too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭ Gidea


    Think i've got close to the font used by uploading the image into whatthefont here

    And here it is on a green background similar to the jersey
    B3jhUoQ.png

    Using that with google image search I got a logo that somewhat matches the jersey for this company here

    https://www.dsc.com/

    Might be worth asking them if they've ever sponsored a jersey?


    EDIT:

    Might be worth noting that the last letter could also be a G depending on the font type,

    So could be looking at PSG, DSG, 3SG, etc

    example here


  • Registered Users Posts: 10 Dogguy


    thankyou so much !


  • Registered Users Posts: 10 Dogguy


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Not the same jersey. Collar is different; the one in the Europol image is a V neck. The one we're looking for is definitely a Canterbury or Canterbury knock-off. The Sasol branding places it in SA. Also would point out that the one in the Europol pic is quite likely an adult size worn by a kid - hence all the folds.


    thankyou so much for the image. I agree it's definitely some kind of canterbury style or something VERY similar. Also very interesting what you say about it being an adult shirt, you're probably right on the money and I hadn't thought of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10 Dogguy


    Image looks greener on Google images. It links to a super soccer club fb page in Nigeria. Green jersey 3SC on the jersey

    the 3SC looks bang on but the rest of the jersey doesn't, it doesn't have the same piping and it seems like it's missing the emblem on the right side as well as the larger symbol above the 3SC. in the photo it seems significantly bigger than the adidas logo. But this is a VERY good lead and it could possibly be another run of this same jersey ? Maybe a different design from another year ?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10 Dogguy


    Gidea wrote: »
    Think i've got close to the font used by uploading the image into whatthefont

    And here it is on a green background similar to the jersey


    Using that with google image search I got a logo that somewhat matches the jersey for this company here



    Might be worth asking them if they've ever sponsored a jersey?


    EDIT:

    Might be worth noting that the last letter could also be a G depending on the font type,

    So could be looking at PSG, DSG, 3SG, etc

    example

    this font is amazing, thank you so much. I'm drafting an email to them now but I keep getting really good suggestions and input here so I wanted to wait a little bit. Anyone else is also free to work on an email about this, just give a heads up in the thread so the inbox doesn't get spammed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭✭✭ TrangiaCoffee


    Dogguy wrote: »
    the 3SC looks bang on but the rest of the jersey doesn't, it doesn't have the same piping and it seems like it's missing the emblem on the right side as well as the larger symbol above the 3SC. in the photo it seems significantly bigger than the adidas logo. But this is a VERY good lead and it could possibly be another run of this same jersey ? Maybe a different design from another year ?

    Could be. I'm not on fb so haven't sent a message asking them about it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10 Dogguy


    Could be. I'm not on fb so haven't sent a message asking them about it.

    Looking into it it seems like a new shirt that isn’t being used yet. There may be one copy with them hoping to get more. The teams jerseys seem to be bright yellow no green. This one could be black Nd for the referee - in other photos he’s wearing a plain black unbranded T-shirt


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 mahfisto


    I also looked up RSC soccer club and found one with a VERY similar typeface for the Roswell Soccer Club in Roswell, Georgia, USA. It is an org that hosts clubs for kids 2-18 years old.


    The colors are off, though. They're red and blue, rather than green. That might completely negate this suggestion unless the club has changed colors in recent years or has off-brand color items.

    How many countries use the word "soccer" instead of "football?" It's a minority that say soccer. I haven't been around long enough to post links apparently, but a quick lookup reveals that mostly it's the US, Canada, Ireland, South Africa, NZ, Australia, some South Pacific islands I can't readily identify, and Japan.

    Final thought for now: Are we sure it's a jersey and not a windbreaker? I confess I don't wear soccer jerseys so I don't know how they wrinkle, but the bulkiness of it in the picture suggests it's a windbreaker to me.



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