Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105406#Comment_119105406

They have given you all the information on how to read the data and why, yet you persist in making up your own fantasy.

What you are doing is the same thing others try to do with the VAERS data. You are 100% wrong in your interpretation, there is no wiggling away from that.

Furthermore, they specifically give reasons why they changed the methodology to look at outcomes and you won't even engage on that data because it doesn't agree with your narrative.

You have your head buried in the sand.

As I said, if you were right, it's an entirely new area of medicine that would attract study similar to discovering the atom, but it's not.

Which means we're onto the next question of why you think they are covering this up and who's behind it.

(While it's funny that you went back to a quote from many posts ago about behaviours, you of course, unsurprisingly, entirely missed the point, which was that the behaviors differ and that the behaviors are different in different ways at different times of the pandemic, that the no-vaxxers get themselves tested less than other groups is a different behavior, and I'm sure youll try and ignore everything else again, this was my fault for thinking you would understand that).

sydthebeat

There are none as blind as those that refuse to see

hometruths

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105465#Comment_119105465

In addition to asking you whether or not you are able to acknowledge a policy change in January 2022 is relevant to the credibility of a comprehensive explanation in November 2021 I'd also question this:

Furthermore, they specifically give reasons why they changed the methodology to look at outcomes and you won't even engage on that data because it doesn't agree with your narrative.

Are you able to acknowledge that in specific question of what may or may not be skewing data in the case rates i.e the number of positives, the severity of those positives is totally irrelevant?

You're telling me I am 100% wrong in questioning the comprehensive explanation they gave in November 2022 for differences in the number of positive PCR cases, and you're telling me it is credible because of a move to lateral flows in January 2022 and on top of that the number of positives are irrelevant, the the outcomes are more important anyway.

It's total madness.

And the idea that "case numbers don't matter, look at the severity at cases, the important measure of vaccine effectiveness is severity of cases" brings me full circle back to the first point I made a few days ago:

This is my problem with the vaccines. When the vaccines were first rolled out the clear expectation was that the primary function was to prevent catching Covid.

When it became abundantly clear that this was not working as intended, but they were having good effect in preventing serious illness and death, very few vaccine proponents acknowledged this. It was spun as if the primary function all along was to reduce serious illness and death, and anybody who thought they were taking the vaccine to prevent them getting Covid just didn't understand how vaccines worked.

This is total and utter nonsense, and as far as I am concerned it undermines all subsequent claims about the vaccine efficacy and safety.

After posting this, I've spent three days largely being told two things:

a) primary function all along was to reduce serious illness and death

b) I just don't understand

Not entirely unexpected to be honest.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105462#Comment_119105462

Well at least you're admitting it now.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105552#Comment_119105552

OK. Leaving aside you rant here is the usual dodging and misrepresentations that you guys have to resort to. And leaving aside all the explanations you've been given repeatedly by astrofool. And ignoring all of the questions and points you've dodged and run away from. And ignori g how you still haven't actually made a point.

Let's pretend you are right.

The vaccines are causing more infections after a few weeks.

That's the best you conspiracy theorists can come up with? That's the only safety issue that you can produce?

The vaccines slightly increase your chances of getting a virus you cats have been telling us isn't dangerous?

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105600#Comment_119105600

Lol nope. I know you're a bit desperate for a point and all. But thats not an admission.

I am not paid, I'm not posting under any other accounts.

Nor have I repeatedly re-registered to avoid bans and previous embarrassments.

You need to get your fantasy straight man.

Either were all some/the same paid government agent(s) out to get you and stop your super dangerous theories.

Or were all mind controlled idiots who are too dumb to understand your genius.

Can't be both.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105530#Comment_119105530

I suppose to see people take an experimental drug in order to have freedom and a bit of normality, and then that privilege to be pulled from underneath them was a sight to behold.

The only thing I can see about the advantage of healthy people taking the freedom juice is, freedom to eat inside, go on a holiday or a gig...

Other than that the rest of us held out saved our money and weren't tricked by coercion in order to protect someone who's supposedly protected already, to take a drug that doesn't work as intended.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105621#Comment_119105621

Well then if you're not an agent or have vested interests what's your modus operandi here.

95% of the population have taken the shot.

What's your point in being so strident and squabbling with people ?

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105657#Comment_119105657

Cause i'm interested in conspiracy theories. I'm curious why people believe then and go to such lengths to keep believing them even when they are obviously false. I think it's interesting to see the raising and falling of different types of misinformation and falsehoods. The explanations for why certain claims are false are also interesting and informative.

I know you won't accept this as your closed mind won't allow you to think that this is a possible reason, and you prefer your fantasy explanations for why we're here. But that's your issue man.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105552#Comment_119105552

Supply the document from November 2021 (or whenever) and we can go through the data the same way, the outcome will be the same.

You have been very dishonest in ignoring the vast majority of content in the document when going on this solo run and still haven't come up with a valid point other than you not knowing. Which is not surprising given your comprehension levels demonstrated so far of the documentation and data.

This is my problem with the vaccines. When the vaccines were first rolled out the clear expectation was that the primary function was to prevent catching Covid.

Again, you are failing to comprehend what prevented cases are. You are failing to understand what the trial results meant (reduction in symptoms including almost elimination of severe disease). You are failing to understand why they were approved.

Do you concede that the vaccines have prevented millions of deaths from occurring?

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105758#Comment_119105758

So are you trying to be helpful and hopefully break their cycle of believing in things which you find might be harmful to them and others.

Are you worried about the psychological impact of them living in cuckoo land, therefore by being impactful with your tactics you'll eventually wake them up. Therefore you've saved a person from impending doom.

I find conspiracy theories interesting too, I don't believe in all of them, but I do like a good synoptic analysis of what's the whole story.

I'm not talking on a biblical sense.

But anyhow talking about closed minds, being a sceptic isn't being closed minded,it's actually quite free and liberating. If my mind was as closed as yours I'd be feeling quite stagnant. Nothing more stagnant than having a narrow minded world view.

Having an open mind opens up a lot of doors... try it

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105903#Comment_119105903

Not really, as we keep seeing, conspiracy theorists are not actually open minded at all, and very few of them will change their minds in the short term.

However, the questions they know they dodge do have a tendency to hang around and eat away at their beliefs and doubt can start creeping in.

The people on the fence who might think there is something to the conspiracy however wouldn't be very impressed or convinced by the behaviour of the theorists here.

You don't have an open mind my dude. That's just an empty affirmation you're using to indulge in your fantasy of superiority.

Are you open to the possibility that all of the conspiracy theories you believe are in fact wrong?

If not, then you're not open minded. In my experience, you guys don't like to consider that possibility.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105643#Comment_119105643

Are you vaccinated?

hometruths

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105767#Comment_119105767

Supply the document from November 2021 (or whenever) and we can go through the data the same way, the outcome will be the same.

I've already linked to it, but here you go again - https://ukhsa.blog.gov.uk/2021/11/02/transparency-and-data-ukhsas-vaccines-report/

Again, you are failing to comprehend what prevented cases are. You are failing to understand what the trial results meant (reduction in symptoms including almost elimination of severe disease). You are failing to understand why they were approved.

It is my contention that the trial's primary endpoint, and the successful results (and hence the vaccine approval) were the prevention of symptomatic disease. Whilst they may also have shown a likelihood in success at the reduction in symptoms including almost elimination of severe disease that was not the primary endpoint, and not what approval was granted for.

Supply a link to the trial results and let's discuss.

But if I am failing to comprehend what prevented cases actually are, and that a measure of the vaccine's success is reduced symptoms in positive case, how do you explain the EMAs definition of "Confirmed Vaccination Failure"?

We have the purpose of the approval specifically defined as "to prevent COVID-19 caused by SARS-CoV-2" and the failure of the vaccine specifically defined as "the occurrence of COVID-19 caused by SARS-CoV-2".

Yet you claim that the occurrence of COVID-19 with reduced symptoms in a vaccinated person is proof that the vaccines are working. How do you explain that? What do you know that the scientists who wrote European Risk Management plan linked below don't know? Why are you rejecting their definition of vaccine failure?

Proposed definition for Confirmed Vaccination Failure with AZD1222: The occurrence of COVID-19 caused by SARS-CoV-2 in a person who is appropriately and fully vaccinated following an incubation period of ≥ 15 days following the second dose of the vaccine

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/rmp-summary/vaxzevria-previously-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-epar-risk-management-plan_en.pdf

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105941#Comment_119105941

That's a personal question which I have a right to keep on my medical records and not share publicly.

Why do you ask ?

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106087#Comment_119106087

Most anti-vaxxers here seem to be vaccinated.

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106129#Comment_119106129

Something something US work something air hostess something top secret information.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106056#Comment_119106056

That was the blog, you are mentioning the numbers from November 2021, where is that document so we can see what you're leaving out.

Stop flopping about the place, you're back to try to re-cover old ground that was already de-bunked numerous times (read the thread and your old phishnet posts for when you went awry before).

November 2021 data, start there and we can point out where you are wrong and how you have misunderstood (or more likely not read anything at all as happened this time, was pointed out and now you're running away from it).

And again, be clear, do you concede or not that the vaccines have saved millions of lives as that is data that you can't run away from.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106129#Comment_119106129

Any antivaxxer who's saying they're unvaccinated are lying lol seriously, that's only someone virtue signaling and asking the takeaway to hold the lettuce.

I I'll be honest then, no I'm not vaccinated for covid 19. I just think they came out to quickly. And I cannot say I wouldn't take something that's more advanced than what is out there now. Or God forbid I got a diagnosis of MS, or something that could shorten my life expectancy or weaken my immune system I'd be in a different frame of mind than I'm in now.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106255#Comment_119106255

Lol "I'll be honest, but I still won't admit to being a rereg".

Sure man, we believe you...

hometruths

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106176#Comment_119106176

And again, be clear, do you concede or not that the vaccines have saved millions of lives as that is data that you can't run away from.

Yes, the data shows conclusively that have there have been millions of cases where the vaccine has failed, but has failed with a beneficial outcome. I have never disputed that.

What I have disputed is that the reduction in the severity of the symptoms was not the primary function of the vaccine, nor the reason for its approval.

The primary function and reason for its approval was to prevent symptomatic Covid.

Which is why any case of symptomatic covid regardless of its severity is defined as a vaccine failure. They used to be referred to as "break through cases" but oddly enough we don't hear so much of that any more, even though the number of "break through" cases has risen.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106274#Comment_119106274

You don't need to rereg because you have enough to keep you entertained. Sometimes you even get mixed up and respond to a post under a different username. Then you revert back to the original....

Your mob isn't hard to identify.

Where did you get your VPN from, come on I don't mind if you have a few accounts. More power to you. It wouldn't really bother me if you had a few accounts to be honest.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106303#Comment_119106303

But I don't have multiple accounts man. You were telling us a few posts ago how we were all a gang.

Make up your mind.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106312#Comment_119106312

Well you're all pretty close, come on be honest. Do you have a VPN

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106303#Comment_119106303

As you have been here before, I’m sure that you are aware that you can report multiple accounts. Please do so asap, as there are some CT’ists here dragging Boards down as multis. You’d be doing all legitimate Boards users a great favour.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106331#Comment_119106331

Would you like my home address while you're at it?

Maybe cop to you previous accounts and then maybe try asking again :P

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106291#Comment_119106291

Lol back around to this misrepresentation again.

Are all of your claims and issues based of your personal interpretation of single out of context lines and points in reports?

Also again, you agree that the vaccines have saved lives. You concede that the only issue you can point to is the possibility that they slightly increase the chances of catching a virus you don't think is a concern.

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105453#Comment_119105453

That’s quite a lot of speculative shite in fairness

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106331#Comment_119106331

Hmm.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106382#Comment_119106382

Well we're sceptics, antivaxxers, conspiracy theorists, loons, grifters, liars, provaxxers, expert's, speculation as well as obfuscating.....

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106525#Comment_119106525

Sorry, you seem to misunderstand. You aren't the grifters. You're their audience. Their marks. You are who the grifters are preying on because you're an easy target. The grifters don't actually post here. They stick to twitter and youtube were they can bilk more of your fellows.

Igotadose

Skeptics? No, sheeple. You insult skeptics when you attribute your behaviours to that philosophy. Yes to antivaxxers, loons, liars, CTer's, you did get that right.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106541#Comment_119106541

We're an easy target now, for what exactly ?

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106564#Comment_119106564

You do know if you click on a twitter link to a website for some anti-vaxx shite, they earn money, right? Or simply visit the site directly.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106554#Comment_119106554

You're one of the one's who follow the herd we're the goat's.

Sheeplike you are, probably took the plunge or did the plunge take you.

Bahhhh baaahhhh

We're sceptical, you're impulsive to whatever the system tells you to do, funny how we're sceptical about the vaccines and you're willing to roll your sleeve up.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106564#Comment_119106564

Misinformation. Advertising for products that the grifters have a stake in. More of the grifter's movies and talks and books.

Or tricking you into spreading that shite to people who are more likely to spread it.

How do you think your hero Alex Jones is a millionaire?

Where do you think the money for all the Brain pills go?

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106574#Comment_119106574

I don't know anything about Twitter to be honest I've never seen it's benefits. But a lot of you guy's know it's ins and outs.

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106579#Comment_119106579

It appears that you don’t understand what “sceptical” means. You are not sceptical of the lies and misinformation you submerge yourself in.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106584#Comment_119106584

All the money for the pharma products go to the likes of Pfizer, seratriline is making them an absolute mint on brain pills. Zoloft lustral etc it's mind blowing.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106579#Comment_119106579

No, you guys aren't skeptical.

Go back and read the thread. Count how many times you or one of your buddies claims something straight from a twitter grifter and never questioned or looked into.

You lot believe what you're told as long as it's packaged correctly to market to you.

If it's disguised as "secret information they don't want you to know" you guys just swallow it whole.

It's easy for them.

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106601#Comment_119106601

I take it that you avoid all medication right now, and will avoid all medication in the future no matter what ailments you have. As one of ye mentioned here although I think it was a misrepresentation of data, but if true 50% chance of getting cancer…enjoy the pain without medical intervention.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106601#Comment_119106601

And Pharma is making HUUUGE money off of Covid treatments. In the US I think on average cost of being hospitalized for the full gig averages around $25,000. Remdesiver isn't cheap along with all the sedatives you need for intubation. Hospital stays are costly, too.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106617#Comment_119106617

50% of getting cancer, enjoy the you're going all out today. What are waffling about now.

Of course I take meds, you're full flight from reality if you think just because I'm sceptical about one thing I'll be sceptical about everything else.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106758#Comment_119106758

You're more than sceptical though, you attributed the AZ vaccine as responsible for monkeypox cause you saw chimpanzee mentioned. You have no expertise of any kind in the area but took a pretty dense shot in the dark. That's not a sceptic.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106792#Comment_119106792

You've no expertise of any kind either. A shot in the dark, at least I didn't accept a shot of something that I know nothing about for the sake of saving someone who's taken the shot already.

My immune system is intact I can't say that about people who are vaxxed up to the latest booster.

I guarantee you, you'll be hearing that too many COVID-19 boosters area no no. And they're weakening the efficiency of the chance to fight the virus.

95% of people were vaccinated and people are still calling the other 5% antivaxxer. Yet for herd immunity 95% of people who were vaccinated built up an immune response.

That leaves 5% for natural immunity.

Which is a shot in the dark.

But if someone shot at me and it was dark and they didn't know exactly where I am, the odds of me getting a fatal wound would be in my favor...

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106758#Comment_119106758

So no conviction behind what you say then. Happy to feed into “big pharma” except for one vaccine that has proven to be overwhelming safe. Weird how conspiracy theorists never back up their beliefs.

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106874#Comment_119106874

“You've no expertise of any kind either. A shot in the dark, at least I didn't accept a shot of something that I know nothing about for the sake of saving someone who's taken the shot already.”

You take other medication. What do you know about the medications you do take?

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106973#Comment_119106973

Perhaps:

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106961#Comment_119106961

I'm genetically resident to a lot of things, I hardly ever get sick. My dad used to laugh and say I was like Damien from the omen, the odd runny nose but not debilitating. Born in the early 70's.

I'd get sick from eating too much sweets, I used to eat wild berries a lot, robbing apple's from the orchard, made me sick because they were cookers.

Its easy to back up the belief my immune system is intact and I'm doing fine. I knew myself that I was probably genetically immune to it as it's like the common cold. I don't get that.

I'm outdoors most of the time, so my vitamin d levels are probably double time's that of someone who's not outdoors a lot.

Lucky me huh.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106973#Comment_119106973

Well I know the other meds I take for back pain sometimes are out years. Funnily enough disprin I find disolved in water is the best pain killer.

For tinnitus I have a piercing , that works.

For my dry eye lids I use ucerin, great for the skin.

For insect bites I use vinegar.