Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

hometruths

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119483691#Comment_119483691

I don't think he is right, but I do think he is serious.

kernkraft500

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119483810#Comment_119483810

I think he's seriously incorrect also

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119483810#Comment_119483810

Yes, I'm sure he's serious about getting as much attention as possible. I doubt he cares very much about being accused lying or spreading misinformation.

If he did, he wouldn't be on Fox news lying and spreading misinformation.

snowcat

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11120343/Shaun-Ryders-brother-Paul-going-deaf-48-hours-death.html

Another suddden death soon after the dose. Shure seems to be a lot os sudden/excess deaths around.

On a side note it is proberly better for the planet if excess deaths rise. We are way too populous on the planet and our extended lifespanns and fertility is a disaster for human survival. A good strong virus that trims the human population would be welcomed by every other species not so much by the normal people however.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487109#Comment_119487109

Something doesnt add up.

'The coroner has reported that Paul passed away as a result of Ischaemic heart disease and diabetes. At this point in time we have no further information until the full coroner’s report is released."

sydthebeat

An guy who openly discussed his long term problem with drug addiction dies of an issue (ischemic heart disease) which is associated with long term recreational drug use. Quelle surprise.

Bit of advice, don't go to that rag for your news. It deliberately targets the lowly educated with click bait articles in order to make advert money

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487109#Comment_119487109

Another link dump to a singlar death for which there is zero evidence for a connection to the vaccine.

Weird how the idea seems to switch between the notion that people are going to die instantly from the vaccine and the notion that people will only see side effects months or years down the line.

hometruths

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119482867#Comment_119482867

Looks like he won't be suing after all. Media Matters have removed the claims of lies from the headline and point out that "experts emphatically disagree" with him.

Clips published by Media Matters as opposed to other parts of the website where analysis and research are published are intended to be a resource and repository. We have revised the original headline to remove the word “lies” so as to ensure the published post meets our editorial guidelines.

https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-news-guest-claims-covid-vaccine-killing-hundreds-thousands-and-says-its-most-dangerous

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487767#Comment_119487767

I'm sure that Fox news will be posting their correction and clarification of his claims now soon as well.

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King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119491084#Comment_119491084

The CDC have figured out that the vaccines are full of secret nanotechnology that's part of a global depopulation plot?

Fighting Tao

People actually thanked the Buzzer like meme without any critical thought. Any ounce of self respect would result in the people removing their thanks as they have just confirmed that they now believe in RFID chips that can control people from 1000’s of km away, depopulation, the mark of the beast, Paddy the local TD wanting to track people, and many more whack-job believers thoughts. They can’t even fall back on the “I thought it was a good joke” excuse because they didn’t say it and the poster is well known for his extreme covid beliefs.

moonage

It looks like it was a pseudopandemic of the needlecrafted all along:

"Published recently in the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM), a study led by Massachusetts-based physician-scientists leads to a disturbing discovery: individuals fully vaccinated and boosted against COVID-19 actually recover markedly more slowly from the illness and surprisingly, even remain contagious for lengthier periods of time as compared to unvaccinated persons...People that are vaccinated remain five times as contagious as those who are unvaccinated ten days after SARS-CoV-2 infection. Put another way, the vaccinated continue to transmit the disease significantly more than the unvaccinated should the data hold up across broader investigation."

From trialsitenews.com

Perhaps the sacred needlecraft is weakening people's immune systems.

Big Bag of Chips

@moonage, less of the "needlecraft" talk please. if you can't make a point without sarcastic language then don't post.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493296#Comment_119493296

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2203965

From the Effects of Previous Infection and Vaccination on Symptomatic Omicron Infections

Conclusion

No discernable differences in protection against symptomatic BA.1 and BA.2 infection were seen with previous infection, vaccination, and hybrid immunity. Vaccination enhanced protection among persons who had had a previous infection. Hybrid immunity resulting from previous infection and recent booster vaccination conferred the strongest protection. (Funded by Weill Cornell Medicine–Qatar and others.)

That study?

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119492113#Comment_119492113

You're bringing reason into a situation where there is none. If someone believes there are definitely magnets in the vaccines, and another believes that is complete nonsense, but is against vaccines - those two individuals will never disagree with or challenge each other. People with irrational beliefs need validation from any source.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493296#Comment_119493296

Again with the bizarre euphemisms.

But as we've seen throughout this thread, there's no evidence at all to suggest the vaccines are "weakening people's immune systems."

It looks like you're just copy pasting from another clickbaiting, anti-vaxxer site or just straight from twitter without looking into anything.

As Dohnjoe points out, the study didn't say what your sketchy looking source claimed it said.

This keeps happening.

moonage

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493387#Comment_119493387

No, you've got the wrong study.

It's this one:

Duration of Shedding of Culturable Virus in SARS-CoV-2 Omicron (BA.1) Infection

hometruths

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493458#Comment_119493458

And if somebody believes that insufficient data is in fact extremely comprehensive data, and another believes that is complete nonsense, but is extremely pro the covid vaccines, those two individuals will never disagree with or challenge each other.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493699#Comment_119493699

This one? Where does it state that as a finding of the study that "individuals fully vaccinated and boosted against COVID-19 actually recover markedly more slowly from the illness"???

In this longitudinal cohort of participants, most of whom had symptomatic, nonsevere Covid-19 infection, the viral decay kinetics were similar with omicron infection and delta infection. Although vaccination has been shown to reduce the incidence of infection and the severity of disease, we did not find large differences in the median duration of viral shedding among participants who were unvaccinated, those who were vaccinated but not boosted, and those who were vaccinated and boosted.

Duration of Shedding of Culturable Virus in SARS-CoV-2 Omicron (BA.1) Infection

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2202092#:~:text=Our%20data%20suggest%20that%20some,D.

This study showed reduced viral load for vaccinated - and was based on a larger sample side of 500+ versus 66 for the nejm one.

Full vaccination (defined as >2 weeks after receipt of the second dose during the primary vaccination series) significantly reduced infectious VL for Delta breakthrough cases compared to unvaccinated individuals. For Omicron BA.1 breakthrough cases, reduced infectious VL was observed only in boosted but not in fully vaccinated individuals compared to unvaccinated individuals.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01816-0

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493699#Comment_119493699

And here's the summary:

"In this longitudinal cohort of participants, most of whom had symptomatic, nonsevere Covid-19 infection, the viral decay kinetics were similar with omicron infection and delta infection. Although vaccination has been shown to reduce the incidence of infection and the severity of disease, we did not find large differences in the median duration of viral shedding among participants who were unvaccinated, those who were vaccinated but not boosted, and those who were vaccinated and boosted.

Our results should be interpreted within the context of a small sample size, which limits precision, and the possibility of residual confounding in comparisons according to variant, vaccination status, and the time period of infection. Although culture positivity has been proposed as a possible proxy for infectiousness,5 additional studies are needed to correlate viral-culture positivity with confirmed transmission in order to inform isolation periods. Our data suggest that some persons who are infected with the omicron and delta SARS-CoV-2 variants shed culturable virus more than 5 days after symptom onset or an initial positive test."

Vaccination would appear to be good.

And to repost the conclusion of the study I found when looking for that one:

"No discernable differences in protection against symptomatic BA.1 and BA.2 infection were seen with previous infection, vaccination, and hybrid immunity. Vaccination enhanced protection among persons who had had a previous infection. Hybrid immunity resulting from previous infection and recent booster vaccination conferred the strongest protection. (Funded by Weill Cornell Medicine–Qatar and others.)"

Again, vaccines good.

There have been dozens of studies posted in this thread alone that show that the benefits of the vaccines greatly outweigh any risks.

What exactly do you require to accept these vaccines?

moonage

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493916#Comment_119493916

OK, I'll admit that I hadn't looked at the study before posting that person's summary/misrepresentation of it.

However, the conclusion of this small study would indicate that being jabbed offers no advantage over the unjabbed in terms of the duration of viral shedding.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119494236#Comment_119494236

If that's the case, alright.

To repeat the prior question, what do you require to make you accept that these vaccines are okay?

snowcat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119494257#Comment_119494257

Its not rocket science. The vaccines have only been administered for 18 months. OK is relative. Have they killed people and seriously injured others? OK is better than Covid but we know very little about the new variants, their reaction with the vaccine for a different variant that no longer is prevalent. We know very little about mRMA but we have just administered billions of doses so that will be interesting ongoing. Excess deaths are a concern even though there is no direct link to the vaccines. Vaccines disrupting menstrual cycles would concern me and the obvious link to fertility. Interesting times ahead.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119495387#Comment_119495387

What obvious link between vaccines and fertility?

You guys have claimed this before and failed to show any.

Bizarre that you're jumping back to this claim again and pretending that it's obvious. Especially given that the most recent claim was that it was killing hundreds of thousands in America.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119495387#Comment_119495387

We do know a lot about how the vaccine reacts with later variants, as per the Qatar study cited multiple times on this thread already. The Swedish study cited overlapped with Alpha and Delta variants.

And this study does not show anything of concern:

• The findings suggest that women may have a slightly longer menstrual cycle after COVID-19 vaccination, but the change is temporary and within the range of normal variation.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/covid-19-vaccines-linked-small-increase-menstrual-cycle-length

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119495387#Comment_119495387

Is your personal opinion.

We've had vaccines for centuries, mRNA tech has been around since the 70's. You as a lay-person might not know much about mRNA, but the experts do. The people who are producing the current vaccines, developing them and regulating them know that they, and their families and relatives and friends will be taking these vaccines.

Thanks to vaccines we've eliminated Smallpox, a disease that killed an estimated 300 million people in the 20th century alone. At the same time, incredibly an anti-vaccination movement started against that Smallpox vaccine, can you believe that, spreading irrational fear of that vaccine, one that had saved millions of lives.

Sound familiar?

Nothing has changed, it's the same "I'm just concerned" arguments, verbatim, the same incredulous talking points, the same toolbox of denial. That's not a coincidence. These types of views are less to do with the vaccines themselves and more with what they represent. It's rooted in a deep-set paranoia of authority and an irrational distrust of expertise. Any psychologist can tell you that straight off the bat.

Never cross your mind why you are surrounded by posters who believe the "NWO" control the world, that NASA has faked all space flight, that the pandemic was "pre-planned" in these threads?

All of the above "concerned" about a handful of deaths, but unconcerned about 6.5 million deaths, and it never strikes you as a tad odd?

If not, then you're in the right place for your opinions.

snowcat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119495807#Comment_119495807

This is getting tiring. I am not referring to any drug or vaccine except the mRNA new tech ones. There is good drugs and bad drugs/ineffective. Smallpox vaccine and penicillin would be on my good list. Prozac oxycontin would be on my bad list. Ill personally list mRNA on evidence so far as inconclusive/wait and see.

This idea that mRNA vaccines have been around in common use for decades or since Robert Malone (another fellow you dont like) was dabbling with mRNA is just misinformation/wrong. The first widespread use of the tech has been for Covid.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02483-w

I acknowledge people are not dying in the streets after taking the drug. However changes to menstrual cycle is a red flag to me and we will watch excess deaths and hope for the best.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119496491#Comment_119496491

But you haven't shown that there's any link between vaccinations and fertility.

This has been claimed many times in this thread and its just as unsupported and false as the claims about it killing hundreds of thousands of people or the lairs about secret nanotechnology.

To me it kinda seems like you've latched onto this "menstruation as a red flag" think cause it's the only straw you can grasp at.

It's something safe you can claim cause some studies like the one posted a few posts ago suggest there's a slight effect (but within normal variation). But it's also something you can make implications about like the notion that this has some effect on fertility. And when you're challenged on these implications you'll retreat back to the "Well it's a red flag" thing.

Can you point to any evidence that links mRNA vaccines (or any other covid vaccines) to a negative effect on fertility?

Can you point to any reputatble experts or organisations or research that shares your untrained, biased and easily swayed opinion that "menstruation is a red flag".

We all know the answer is going to be no.

snowcat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119496510#Comment_119496510

Do we now?