Toyota GT86

phelimb

Seems to be little or none of these secondhand on sale right now (carzone, carsireland, donedeal etc), how come?

Are they just too expensive for what you get, OR nobody wants to sell...

Have they reached a point of where they are just so rare (in Ireland) that it's a sellers market? I'm not looking to buy one but just curious given all the hype about them in the past...

Cheers,
PB

CathalC2011

I noticed the same thing yesterday.. To be fair there never more than 4 or 5 on sale across the country at the best of times. I'd guess with lockdown people are just hanging on to their more fun but less practical cars.

DuckSlice

They might be holding on to them hoping they will be the new twincam in 20 years and over valued.

Peter T

I don't think they sold that well here when new. They were seriously overpriced in Ireland compared to the rest of the globe. Most I'd seen in the past were uk imports and that market has taken an obvious hit lately.

LariToper

etxp wrote: »

They might be holding on to them hoping they will be the new twincam in 20 years and over valued.

I feel myself that they are undoubtedly going to be the next twin cam, its pretty much one of the only lower end N/A RWD sports cars of this generation. I mean the 3 series all went turbo after the E90 finished, so once the mid-late 00s cars fizzle out eventually it will be the obvious car for diffin enthusiasts. There definitely doesnt seem to be that much supply around of them which will drive up prices also.

Lofidelity

Everybody is waiting for the day you can buy a Gt86 for about 10 grand but nobody wanted one at 40k. A golf gti or R always seems to tick more boxes as a new buy. If you're only after looks, then a TT or 420d msport has that plus a quality interior.

There was one up north on done deal last week. 10 Sterling I think.

Ubbquittious

The people buying new just want a Tucson Curdy or some EV yoke instead

fryup

Peter T wrote: »

I don't think they sold that well here when new. They were seriously overpriced in Ireland compared to the rest of the globe.

:eek:

never! i'm shocked to hear that!

phelimb

Speaking of overpriced - the Supra is around 80k+ - will we ever see any of them on Irish roads?

Back to the GT86 becoming the new twin cam for 'enthusiasts' in the future, what else would follow suit - Civic type R, Golf R32 Both probably a whole lot faster than the GT86...

colm_mcm

The GT86s appeal is in the pure driving experience, power isn’t a thing with them.

Bigus

colm_mcm wrote: »

The GT86s appeal is in the pure driving experience, power isn’t a thing with them.

Yeah, but it’s a real pain in the Ego when a diesel Hyundai beats you away from the city traffic light Grand Prix .(unless of course your Gt86 driver is fully prepared and Drops the clutch above 4000 rpm). The Gt86 has also got an infamous torque curve drop just when you need it approaching 4K rpm.(google it)

Gt86’s are really shown up by modern torquey diesels that people are now used to, and increasingly shown up by torquey turbocharged petrols like the 3 pot fiesta St which’s sounds unbelievably better than the flat four naturally aspirated engine,which is another annoyance..... bad sound, no inspiration.
The fiesta st and Gt86 get would have similar engine outputs but the 3 pot fiesta feels almost twice as powerful in all situations because of its power delivery and immediate availability, due to its torque and power curves(allowed by bang up to date electronics factory mapping and forced induction) .The 3 pot even has pops and bangs mapped in from factory.

I would go as far as to say that the GT86 is ruined by its engine , and the real telling point is that you notice motor dealers , never hang on to them to drive personally, unlike other great cars. Hence no continuous for sale advert listings at high prices while they swan around in them for months. Just doesn’t happen.

In the USA and abroad the story is slightly different because they throw thousands at them to deliver power via all sorts, but mainly expensive turbocharging and dare I say Engine swaps.

The proof of the pudding is the new GT had to grow to 2.4 liters to keep up with more modern power plants from the opposition.

Now a GT86 with the lightweight 3 pot Yaris GR engine and 261 bhp with bags of torque would be a would beater, and that would be an instant classic, even more so than the Yaris rallycar.

colm_mcm

The AE86 was similarly outclassed back in the day too in terms of power. They still have massive appeal, now I’m not saying the GT86 will ever reach that sort of level but they appeal for the same reasons.

DuckSlice

Bigus wrote: »

Yeah, but it’s a real pain in the Ego when a diesel Hyundai beats you away from the city traffic light Grand Prix .(unless of course your Gt86 driver is fully prepared and Drops the clutch above 4000 rpm). The Gt86 has also got an infamous torque curve drop just when you need it approaching 4K rpm.(google it)

Gt86’s are really shown up by modern torquey diesels that people are now used to, and increasingly shown up by torquey turbocharged petrols like the 3 pot fiesta St which’s sounds unbelievably better than the flat four naturally aspirated engine,which is another annoyance..... bad sound, no inspiration.
The fiesta st and Gt86 get would have similar engine outputs but the 3 pot fiesta feels almost twice as powerful in all situations because of its power delivery and immediate availability, due to its torque and power curves(allowed by bang up to date electronics factory mapping and forced induction) .The 3 pot even has pops and bangs mapped in from factory.

I would go as far as to say that the GT86 is ruined by its engine , and the real telling point is that you notice motor dealers , never hang on to them to drive personally, unlike other great cars. Hence no continuous for sale advert listings at high prices while they swan around in them for months. Just doesn’t happen.

In the USA and abroad the story is slightly different because they throw thousands at them to deliver power via all sorts, but mainly expensive turbocharging and dare I say Engine swaps.

The proof of the pudding is the new GT had to grow to 2.4 liters to keep up with more modern power plants from the opposition.

Now a GT86 with the lightweight 3 pot Yaris GR engine and 261 bhp with bags of torque would be a would beater, and that would be an instant classic, even more so than the Yaris rallycar.

Totally agree, they are far to down on power for me to consider personally. if i map my 325D i can get near 300bhp, you would need thousands spend on a GT86 to be able to get that power. But i don't think power will be the appeal with these its the fact they are RWD, same reason IS200 are everywhere now.

Would love to see a GT86 with the Yaris engine.

Bigus

etxp wrote: »

Totally agree, they are far to down on power for me to consider personally. if i map my 325D i can get near 300bhp, you would need thousands spend on a GT86 to be able to get that power. But i don't think power will be the appeal with these its the fact they are RWD, same reason IS200 are everywhere now.

Would love to see a GT86 with the Yaris engine.

And the gas thing is , your 325d is RWD , which people seem to be oblivious to.

Andrewf20

GR86 to replace GT86 next year. 250bhp turbo 4 pot:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/next-toyota-gt86-confirmed-2021-leaked-presentation

vintagevrs

I would like to run one for a week or two to see what they are really like. The engine gets criticised the most, but I'm wondering if just enjoying going more slowly and driving it with a different mindset carrying speed and wringing it's neck if I would enjoy it.

Years ago I went to look at a car and they had one of these traded into stock and the salesman said give it a spin. I was in a 320d at the time and got out of the GT saying how slow it felt.

I'm not sure if having no torque would get tiresome on the daily stuff. It would have made sense to put the 3pot into it, but that new flat 4 sounds like it could be decent too.

Eoinbmw

colm_mcm wrote: »

The AE86 was similarly outclassed back in the day too in terms of power. They still have massive appeal, now I’m not saying the GT86 will ever reach that sort of level but they appeal for the same reasons.

The AE86 was rallied and had a massive cult following in Japan also it was bomb proof the GT86 is none of that!
I really wanted to buy into the GT but after a test drive followed by a test drive in a mk3 focus st I was absolutely shocked in the performance difference so went with the ST

RY4

Don't want to get into an argument or start trying to defend it here online but what I will say is it's great fun. The handling is brilliant!!! Who drives around foot fully down all the time anyway??? The back just kicks out with out even trying and all the nannies turned on. Done the pedal dance once which I will never do again!!!
Saved easily €3000 buying up north, it's a 17 so there's a few upgrades and I think it's meant to have more torque down low. Faster doesn't mean better lads!!!
They don't stick around for long when they come up, there's none for sale that I can see in the Republic and two Supras. On AT UK there's 130 Supras and 70 GT86s. There was about 100 2 weeks ago on AT UK. Make from that what u will.
I think the new GR86 is a 2.4 N/A engine, no turbo or S/C.
As someone said its measured by smiles per hour and not miles per hour, the car has character, and I'm fecking delighted with it!!!
Don't miss the older faster brother at all!!!

Eoinbmw

RY4 wrote: »

Don't want to get into an argument or start trying to defend it here online but what I will say is it's great fun. The handling is brilliant!!! Who drives around foot fully down all the time anyway??? The back just kicks out with out even trying and all the nannies turned on. Done the pedal dance once which I will never do again!!!
Saved easily €3000 buying up north, it's a 17 so there's a few upgrades and I think it's meant to have more torque down low. Faster doesn't mean better lads!!!
They don't stick around for long when they come up, there's none for sale that I can see in the Republic and two Supras. On AT UK there's 130 Supras and 70 GT86s. There was about 100 2 weeks ago on AT UK. Make from that what u will.
I think the new GR86 is a 2.4 N/A engine, no turbo or S/C.
As someone said its measured by smiles per hour and not miles per hour, the car has character, and I'm fecking delighted with it!!!
Don't miss the older faster brother at all!!!

Thats Lovely!
Just to be clear i like the gt86 i just think they should have gave it more power the engine is ordinary in it!
There are plenty of 2l n/a engines developed over the years which are more characterfull!

RY4

Eoinbmw wrote: »

Thats Lovely!
Just to be clear i like the gt86 i just think they should have gave it more power the engine is ordinary in it!
There are plenty of 2l n/a engines developed over the years which are more characterfull!

Thanks Eoinbmw, I guess the point I wanted to get across is that it's a good fun car. And I'll leave it at that.

07Lapierre

I bought my 86 in 2012. Still have it and I've no intention of selling it. It's just too much fun to drive.