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Summertime - night rate now (midnight) 12am to 9am.

  • 29-03-2021 12:04am
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    Registered Users Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭ Kramer


    A quick reminder that clocks have changed & for those with nightrate meters, cheaper night rates are now midnight to 9am, until October.

    Bigger battery EVs might now need the full 9 hours plus - worth checking those timers.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,007 ✭✭✭ fricatus


    And while we're at it, check that your car's clock is up to date. My Ioniq just needed "Daylight Saving Time" ticked to display the correct time. IIRC, I'll just untick it come October.


  • Moderators Posts: 11,975 ✭✭✭✭ Black_Knight


    fricatus wrote: »
    And while we're at it, check that your car's clock is up to date. My Ioniq just needed "Daylight Saving Time" ticked to display the correct time. IIRC, I'll just untick it come October.

    Always wondered why the car couldn't just do it automatically. It has internet access, it can get a location (and thus know the timezone) and toggle daylight savings on/off as needs be.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 6,083 Mod ✭✭✭✭ liamog


    Very much depends on the car, the Mini updated itself automatically yesterday.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭ Miscreant


    Always wondered why the car couldn't just do it automatically. It has internet access, it can get a location (and thus know the timezone) and toggle daylight savings on/off as needs be.

    The Ioniq can update itself from the GPS but you need to tick that little box for DST as Fricatus mentioned.
    Definitely should be feature on newer cars if it isn't already. :)


  • Moderators Posts: 11,975 ✭✭✭✭ Black_Knight


    Miscreant wrote: »
    The Ioniq can update itself from the GPS but you need to tick that little box for DST as Fricatus mentioned.
    Definitely should be feature on newer cars if it isn't already. :)

    I thought I did that. TBH, it's only wrong twice a year so I didn't spend long trying to get it right.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭ ewj1978


    just switched to Energia's Ev rate. <5c for night rate.


  • Moderators Posts: 11,975 ✭✭✭✭ Black_Knight


    Odd it doesn't show up on bonkers.ie yet. Seems a good rate. They're "green" too, yeah?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭ graememk


    Odd it doesn't show up on bonkers.ie yet. Seems a good rate. They're "green" too, yeah?

    Its the higher day rate that prob screws with the calculation,

    Yeah "100% renewable"

    Also they say you need a EV charger, i think all the verification they need is a yes, that you have one.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,371 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    Wait until everyone is on smart meters then I bet the night rate will be gone and multiple tariffs introduced.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,847 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    Mad_Lad wrote: »
    Wait until everyone is on smart meters then I bet the night rate will be gone and multiple tariffs introduced.

    That's the plan. And hopefully we will all have to pay the real electricity costs. As in from minus a few cents per kWh in the early hours of the morning on a windy night when we have more zero emission renewables than we can use / give away up to at least €1 / kWh at peak times when our electricity is most expensive to produce and worst for the environment.

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,025 Mod ✭✭✭✭ slave1


    But there’s plenty who won’t let a Smart meter anywhere near their house and for good reason, even our own Data Commissioner has issues....
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/experts-question-legality-of-esb-smart-meters-that-could-let-state-spy-on-us-40249300.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,371 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    slave1 wrote: »
    But there’s plenty who won’t let a Smart meter anywhere near their house and for good reason, even our own Data Commissioner has issues....
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/experts-question-legality-of-esb-smart-meters-that-could-let-state-spy-on-us-40249300.html

    The only reason smart meters will be installed is to make energy companies richer.

    You have the absolute right to refuse a smart meter but the electric companies will probably increase your energy costs and make up some BS excuse.


  • Moderators Posts: 11,975 ✭✭✭✭ Black_Knight


    graememk wrote: »
    Its the higher day rate that prob screws with the calculation,

    Yeah "100% renewable"

    Also they say you need a EV charger, i think all the verification they need is a yes, that you have one.

    Dunno. Day rate isn't bad. 16.64c Day, 4.76 night. Last year we used 4500kWh, hopefully use a bit more tis year with a light at the end of the tunnel, and a thirstyer car, so maybe 5000kWh. 60% of that being night rate. Their other rates are 2c more in the night and 2c less in the day. Given I'd use more night than Day, the ev rate seems better. That's all dependant on being able to drive anywhere though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,907 ✭✭✭✭ ELM327


    I won't be taking a smart meter. I'm happy with my night rate and the plan once we move is for solar PV and to be predominantly off grid anyway.

    I've worked in the energy sector and am pretty confident that if this change wasnt going to make money for the supply companies (or the network operator, transmission, distribution etc) then it wouldnt be brought in


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 31,022 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭ Mickeroo


    graememk wrote: »

    Also they say you need a EV charger, i think all the verification they need is a yes, that you have one.

    Signed up for this yesterday too but I didn't notice anything about asking for an EV charge point.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭ KCross


    ELM327 wrote: »
    I won't be taking a smart meter. I'm happy with my night rate and the plan once we move is for solar PV and to be predominantly off grid anyway.

    I've worked in the energy sector and am pretty confident that if this change wasnt going to make money for the supply companies (or the network operator, transmission, distribution etc) then it wouldnt be brought in

    I think in general you will be right on that but if you are clued in and willing/able to change providers and adjust your usage profile you will be able to benefit.

    It requires things like Solar, smart EV charging, appliances with timers etc.

    Average Joe with old equipment who currently happily pays non-discounted rates and doesnt change provider will likely get screwed some more.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭ ewj1978


    Not sure of the percentages but most people don't change providers. Not just electricity there's car insurance, gas etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭ TheRef


    I switched to the smart meter rate about 2 weeks ago and negotiated a 35% discount to remain with Energia.
    With this plan, I can download half hour usage blocks from the previous day (or any day previous).
    Using the same 35% discount off the standard day/night rates, I could have saved 12c a day if I moved to the day/night rate instead of using the smart meter rate. That includes the difference in the standing charge.
    We have a BEV & PHEV in the house.

    I suspect over the course of a year, the difference may be lower as my daytime electricity consumption during the spring/summer is lower than winter (cooker, tumble dryer, heating).


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭ KCross


    TheRef wrote: »
    I switched to the smart meter rate about 2 weeks ago and negotiated a 35% discount to remain with Energia.

    Are there multiple time-of-use tariffs? What cent per kWh are you paying for each?


  • Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭ TheRef


    KCross wrote: »
    Are there multiple time-of-use tariffs? What cent per kWh are you paying for each?

    Yeah, 3 tariffs, currently:
    23:00-08:00 paying 10.73c
    08:00-17:00 & 19:00-23:00 paying 15.02c
    17:00-19:00 paying 15.73c

    Standing charge is the lower rate - €181.27

    The website states "all timing increase one hour during Irish Standard Time (IST)", but I'm not convinced about this as it's odd peak to move from 5pm-7pm to 6pm-8pm...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭ graememk


    TheRef wrote: »
    Yeah, 3 tariffs, currently:
    23:00-08:00 paying 10.73c
    08:00-17:00 & 19:00-23:00 paying 15.02c
    17:00-19:00 paying 15.73c

    Standing charge is the lower rate - €181.27

    The website states "all timing increase one hour during Irish Standard Time (IST)", but I'm not convinced about this as it's odd peak to move from 5pm-7pm to 6pm-8pm...

    The time on the meters don't change, (yeah i know it could be done on the back end but.. yeah, or they could change, or we might stop faffing around with clocks changing).


    The rates for the smart meters are poor, id be looking for the day night meter back at them rates, - the break even point is around the 1000 kwh of day and 1000 kwh of night. use any more and the day night meter (I know advertised at new customer rates) costs less.

    smart meters peak should be a good bit more expensive, with the day being noticeably less than the peak, and the off peak being either the same or less than the current night rate.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,847 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    I switched to the new Energia EV plan pretty much as soon as it launched I think in late February. 4.78c / kWh FTW :D

    At the time I was only a few months into my old contract with Energia, but they let me change without penalty. I specifically asked would this also be available to other people, not just me, and they confirmed. I asked so I could share that here. I have since heard that people were trying to do the same, but were refused :(

    I'll take the smart meter when it becomes available for free, but only if it means I can still get this very good night rate, or even better ones at times.

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



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