Can snap elections be triggered by the public in Ireland?

Renault 5

Can a snap election be triggered by the public in Ireland?

If so, how could it happen?

McGinniesta

For what? So we elect the shinners?

Don't trigger an election.

Allinall

No- is the short answer

screamer

I wish, cause I'd boot them all out on their backsides. Time for a technocratic government for Ireland, we'll need it with the **** storm we're facing economically for the next decade.

Renault 5

McGinniesta wrote: »

For what? So we elect the shinners?

Don't trigger an election.

Wasn’t the question.

Gregor Samsa

Renault 5 wrote: »

Can a snap election be triggered by the public in Ireland?

If so, how could it happen?

According to the Constitution, anyone can send an email to elections@gov.ie and demand a snap election at any time. The Taoiseach is obliged to respond within an hour with confirmation of the date. If he doesn't, you become Taoiseach.

This is actually how Albert Reynolds became Taoiseach, hiding Charles Haughey's phone under a cushion on silent in the living room for long enough that CJ didn't respond within the hour. Despite hearing the faint "buzzing" sound of the vibrations, Haughey thought the phone was upstairs.

Renault 5

Allinall wrote: »

No- is the short answer

So only the Elected officials can decide on snap elections?

Markcheese

We vote for the Tds ( and can't change our minds before the next election ) ,they vote for the government , the government vote in the taoiseach , and the taoiseach gets to call when a general election happens ( up to a max term)... But the dail still can vote out the government ,

McGinniesta

Renault 5 wrote: »

Wasn’t the question.

So why call an election then? It's not like labour is going to form a government is it?

corner of hells

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

According to the Constitution, anyone can send an email to elections@gov.ie and demand a snap election at any time. The Taoiseach is obliged to respond within an hour with confirmation of the date. If he doesn't, you become Taoiseach.

This is actually how Albert Reynolds became Taoiseach, hiding Charles Haughey's phone under a cushion on silent in the living room for long enough that CJ didn't respond within the hour. Despite hearing the faint "buzzing" sound of the vibrations, Haughey thought the phone was upstairs.

This is actually correct , im proposing Gregor as Taoiseach ,ive already emailed and am awaiting a reply from the government.
Is that what ive to say Gregor?

McGinniesta

Renault 5 wrote: »

So only the Elected officials can decide on snap elections?

Or when the 5 years are up whichever comes first

is_that_so

Renault 5 wrote: »

So only the Elected officials can decide on snap elections?

By its very nature only the government of the day. Only two things might trigger an earlier election. A vote of no confidence in the Taoiseach or failure to get a Budget passed.

McGinniesta

screamer wrote: »

I wish, cause I'd boot them all out on their backsides. Time for a technocratic government for Ireland, we'll need it with the **** storm we're facing economically for the next decade.

We've had doctors appointed as minister for health (just an example).

Is technocracy really a guaranteed improvement?

nigeldaniel

I have never know any election to solve any problems in Ireland.

Renault 5

Renault 5 wrote: »

So only the Elected officials can decide on snap elections?

Ultimately, the President decides.

The President can refuse to dissolve the Dáil (has never happened).

Gregor Samsa

corner of hells wrote: »

This is actually correct , im proposing Gregor as Taoiseach ,ive already emailed and am awaiting a reply from the government.
Is that what ive to say Gregor?

Martin will have no problem responding within the hour, glued to Among Us he is, so he doesn't let his phone out of his sight. And he had all the cushions removed from Leinster House so he wouldn't get caught out by Jim O’Callaghan doing the same trick.

Larbre34

No.

An election must be held every five years. If a Government loses majority support in the meantime, the outgoing Taoiseach can ask the President to dissolve Dáil Éireann earlier than that for the purposes of an election, or as in 1994, the President can ask for alternative majorities to be explored before agreeing to dissolve the Dáil.

Why anyone would want an election before at least 2023 is beyond me.

dxhound2005

Renault 5 wrote: »

Can a snap election be triggered by the public in Ireland?

If so, how could it happen?

The public are all the same. They are only in it for themselves.

Poor Uncle Tom

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The public are all the same. They are only in it for themselves.

Who asked you Leo?

humberklog

I can't think of any country where the public can call a snap election.

Cilldara_2000

Deleted User wrote: »

Ultimately, the President decides.

The President can refuse to dissolve the Dáil (has never happened).

This is not generally the case. The President can refuse to dissolve the Dáil if the Taoiseach of the day no longer has the confidence of the house. Albert Reynolds didn't ask for a dissolution in 1994 because he believed Mary Robinson wouldn't have granted it. And he was right. I think she subsequently publicly said that she wouldn't. So he resigned and Bruton was elected Taoiseach.

In normal circumstances, when a Taoiseach calls an election, it's not because the government lost a confidence or supply vote and in such cases, the President cannot refuse to dissolve the Dáil.

theguzman

What will an election solve, We have 3 choices, Marxist, Communist or Trotsky?

What is going to happen is that taxes will rise ever higher on the middle class (or former middle class), a property valuation tax is coming, Carbon taxes and Motoring will become about double what they are, personal freedoms we had will not return after Covid.

The untouchables in the Public and Civil Service will be rewarded with payrises and they will continue to scratch their balls all day long. Meanwhile property prices and rents will skyrocket more as complete unrestricted immigration into country will only escalate pouring petrol onto the fire of housing even more.

We don't have a Government, we have Kodos and Kang, we don't have democracy or freedom it is a mere illusion to keep the serfs in their place. Ireland will continue to borrow and dig deeper into bankruptcy as the EU takes away whatever sovereignty was left and the traitor quislings will continue to pontificate from the Dail.

Unless the Far-right rises in Ireland then there is no future for that country, I am lucky in that I have Plan B and I have already availed of that as I fled tyranny 6 weeks ago, today I ate in a restaurant and drank a beer, no mask either. I am from a 200 year established family and trust me when I say there is no future worth contemplating in Ireland unless there is major changes on the countries trajectory.

artanevilla

screamer wrote: »

I wish, cause I'd boot them all out on their backsides. Time for a technocratic government for Ireland, we'll need it with the **** storm we're facing economically for the next decade.

Correct, the make up of this government is a joke, the minister for health isn't a doctor, the minister for justice isn't a judge, the minister for defence isn't a soldier, the minister for foreign affairs isn't foreign and worst of all the minister for children in an adult!

At least the minsister for education is a teacher and we all know what a great job she's doing!

screamer

screamer wrote: »

I wish, cause I'd boot them all out on their backsides. Time for a technocratic government for Ireland, we'll need it with the **** storm we're facing economically for the next decade.

The mob are currently baying because we are following the advice of public health experts, so good luck with that

dakar

humberklog wrote: »

I can't think of any country where the public can call a snap election.

Poll land.

theguzman

theguzman wrote: »

What will an election solve, We have 3 choices, Marxist, Communist or Trotsky?

What is going to happen is that taxes will rise ever higher on the middle class (or former middle class), a property valuation tax is coming, Carbon taxes and Motoring will become about double what they are, personal freedoms we had will not return after Covid.

The untouchables in the Public and Civil Service will be rewarded with payrises and they will continue to scratch their balls all day long. Meanwhile property prices and rents will skyrocket more as complete unrestricted immigration into country will only escalate pouring petrol onto the fire of housing even more.

We don't have a Government, we have Kodos and Kang, we don't have democracy or freedom it is a mere illusion to keep the serfs in their place. Ireland will continue to borrow and dig deeper into bankruptcy as the EU takes away whatever sovereignty was left and the traitor quislings will continue to pontificate from the Dail.

Unless the Far-right rises in Ireland then there is no future for that country, I am lucky in that I have Plan B and I have already availed of that as I fled tyranny 6 weeks ago, today I ate in a restaurant and drank a beer, no mask either. I am from a 200 year established family and trust me when I say there is no future worth contemplating in Ireland unless there is major changes on the countries trajectory.

Miss you already x

Ha Long Bay

theguzman wrote: »

What will an election solve, We have 3 choices, Marxist, Communist or Trotsky?

What is going to happen is that taxes will rise ever higher on the middle class (or former middle class), a property valuation tax is coming, Carbon taxes and Motoring will become about double what they are, personal freedoms we had will not return after Covid.

The untouchables in the Public and Civil Service will be rewarded with payrises and they will continue to scratch their balls all day long. Meanwhile property prices and rents will skyrocket more as complete unrestricted immigration into country will only escalate pouring petrol onto the fire of housing even more.

We don't have a Government, we have Kodos and Kang, we don't have democracy or freedom it is a mere illusion to keep the serfs in their place. Ireland will continue to borrow and dig deeper into bankruptcy as the EU takes away whatever sovereignty was left and the traitor quislings will continue to pontificate from the Dail.

Unless the Far-right rises in Ireland then there is no future for that country, I am lucky in that I have Plan B and I have already availed of that as I fled tyranny 6 weeks ago, today I ate in a restaurant and drank a beer, no mask either. I am from a 200 year established family and trust me when I say there is no future worth contemplating in Ireland unless there is major changes on the countries trajectory.

Your Plan A was to bring your Brazilian wife back to Ireland. (Personally have no issue with that at all just hate hypocrisy)

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116119636&postcount=1


Not sure why you are shilling for the "Far-Right" and without any sense of irony you have become an immigrant in a foreign country.

artanevilla

artanevilla wrote: »

Correct, the make up of this government is a joke, the minister for health isn't a doctor, the minister for justice isn't a judge, the minister for defence isn't a soldier, the minister for foreign affairs isn't foreign and worst of all the minister for children in an adult!

Thats debatable and probably incorrect

theguzman

john4321 wrote: »

Your Plan A was to bring your Brazilian wife back to Ireland. (Personally have no issue with that at all just hate hypocrisy)

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116119636&postcount=1


Not sure why you are shilling for the "Far-Right" and without any sense of irony you have become an immigrant in a foreign country.

Yes I am a legal immigrant, I am contributing to the country and I take nothing from their exchequer, Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has left the virus rip and his main concern is the economy, freedom and personal responsibility which is seem as far more important and he is immensely popular for his stance despite what fake news reports.

They have a saying here in Brazil that Covid is the least of our worries; also healthcare workers are not on some elevated golden pedestal like in Ireland, when I explained the great respect that Nurses are held in back in Ireland they were perplexed and puzzled, it would be seen as a big disappointment for your son and daughter to be a Nurse here, Doctors are respected however (for their salary) and the majority of people here believe alot of the more outlandish claims on the virus.

This mainly stems out of almost two decades of leftwing corruption in the country which drove their economy into the ground and saw crime spiral out of control due to liberal progressive policing with over 80,000 murders per year.

Nowadays according to the sort of extremists that have taken over politics anyone from Tony Blair to Eamon Gilmore is seen as far right.

Ha Long Bay

theguzman wrote: »

Yes I am a legal immigrant, I am contributing to the country and I take nothing from their exchequer, Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has left the virus rip and his main concern is the economy, freedom and personal responsibility which is seem as far more important and he is immensely popular for his stance despite what fake news reports.

They have a saying here in Brazil that Covid is the least of our worries; also healthcare workers are not on some elevated golden pedestal like in Ireland, when I explained the great respect that Nurses are held in back in Ireland they were perplexed and puzzled, it would be seen as a big disappointment for your son and daughter to be a Nurse here, Doctors are respected however (for their salary) and the majority of people here believe alot of the more outlandish claims on the virus.

This mainly stems out of almost two decades of leftwing corruption in the country which drove their economy into the ground and saw crime spiral out of control due to liberal progressive policing with over 80,000 murders per year.

Nowadays according to the sort of extremists that have taken over politics anyone from Tony Blair to Eamon Gilmore is seen as far right.

Why did you abandon Plan A and why was going there not Plan A?

LeBash

humberklog wrote: »

I can't think of any country where the public can call a snap election.

Isn't a Coup a kinda snap election?

Yurt2

I'm not saying Ireland is sunshine and rainbows, but for someone to be posting from a country as historically dysfunctional as Brazil talking about tyranny tickles my belly. It wasn't so long ago that the police and military were running paramilitary death squads there. Bolsonaro is the reunion tour for that murky past. He's also dumb as a brick.

humberklog

LeBash wrote: »

Isn't a Coup a kinda snap election?

Nah, a coup is seizure of power.

theguzman

john4321 wrote: »

Why did you abandon Plan A and why was going there not Plan A?

Plan A was always to live my life in Ireland like the rest of the people, however from extensive global travels over the last decade and economic maneuvering I am able to enjoy my time abroad now.

Reasons to leave:

Weather
Ripoff Culture in everything
Personal Freedom, there is no Freedom in Ireland over the last year
Medical Care, there is no healthcare in Ireland anymore, the HSE is a butchershop
Taxes, we have some of the highest in the world with the worst services and infrastructure imaginable.

Most importantly is personal happiness, I am not happy in Ireland now and most of the things I enjoyed are gone and Ireland has changed into something I no longer want to be permanently part of anymore.

Jim2007

screamer wrote: »

I wish, cause I'd boot them all out on their backsides. Time for a technocratic government for Ireland, we'll need it with the **** storm we're facing economically for the next decade.

Well first of all we’re not facing a **** storm, as any technocrat will tell you. Coming out of the last financial crisis Irish national debt stood at 124% and on the eve of the pandemic it was down to around 58% in line with Germany and far a head of the UK at 87% and France at 105%.

Of course the technocrats will also point out that this is not surprising since Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Ireland all have one thing in common - they all regularly produce positive balances of trade and so long as you continually sell more than you buy, you will work your way out of any financial difficulties you encounter.

In fact the Swiss National Bank is so confident in Ireland that they hold a large block of Irish bonds in their national reserve.

Be careful what you wish for, the technocrats won’t agree with you.

Jim2007

theguzman wrote: »

Ireland will continue to borrow and dig deeper into bankruptcy as the EU takes away whatever sovereignty was left and the traitor quislings will continue to pontificate from the Dail.

Unless the Far-right rises in Ireland then there is no future for that country, I am lucky in that I have Plan B and I have already availed of that as I fled tyranny 6 weeks ago, today I ate in a restaurant and drank a beer, no mask either. I am from a 200 year established family and trust me when I say there is no future worth contemplating in Ireland unless there is major changes on the countries trajectory.

Irish national debt actually feel from 124% to 58% per capita. A plan based on delusion rather than facts is not much of a plan. So ya good luck with that.

HalloweenJack

It's a good thing there isn't such a power as we'd have had a dozen elections since the pandemic started, firstly with the anti-restriction crowd followed by those concerned at the spiralling cases as a result of the free-for-all and back and forth.

I wouldn't be opposed to there being an official petition that needs a million signatures of voting age to force an election.

theguzman

theguzman wrote: »

Plan A was always to live my life in Ireland like the rest of the people, however from extensive global travels over the last decade and economic maneuvering I am able to enjoy my time abroad now.

Reasons to leave:

Weather
Ripoff Culture in everything
Personal Freedom, there is no Freedom in Ireland over the last year
Medical Care, there is no healthcare in Ireland anymore, the HSE is a butchershop
Taxes, we have some of the highest in the world with the worst services and infrastructure imaginable.

Most importantly is personal happiness, I am not happy in Ireland now and most of the things I enjoyed are gone and Ireland has changed into something I no longer want to be permanently part of anymore.

I wonder why so many Brazilians move to Ireland from this amazing utopia.

ohnonotgmail

artanevilla wrote: »

Correct, the make up of this government is a joke, the minister for health isn't a doctor, the minister for justice isn't a judge, the minister for defence isn't a soldier, the minister for foreign affairs isn't foreign and worst of all the minister for children in an adult!

At least the minsister for education is a teacher and we all know what a great job she's doing!

I seem to remember we did have a doctor as minister for health and he made as big a balls of it as any other minister for health.

L1011

theguzman wrote: »

They have a saying here in Brazil .

Moans about tyranny.

Moves to a country with an actual fascist in charge.

biko

Now I want ginger snaps

Coillte_Bhoy

theguzman wrote: »

What will an election solve, We have 3 choices, Marxist, Communist or Trotsky?

What is going to happen is that taxes will rise ever higher on the middle class (or former middle class), a property valuation tax is coming, Carbon taxes and Motoring will become about double what they are, personal freedoms we had will not return after Covid.

The untouchables in the Public and Civil Service will be rewarded with payrises and they will continue to scratch their balls all day long. Meanwhile property prices and rents will skyrocket more as complete unrestricted immigration into country will only escalate pouring petrol onto the fire of housing even more.

We don't have a Government, we have Kodos and Kang, we don't have democracy or freedom it is a mere illusion to keep the serfs in their place. Ireland will continue to borrow and dig deeper into bankruptcy as the EU takes away whatever sovereignty was left and the traitor quislings will continue to pontificate from the Dail.

Unless the Far-right rises in Ireland then there is no future for that country, I am lucky in that I have Plan B and I have already availed of that as I fled tyranny 6 weeks ago, today I ate in a restaurant and drank a beer, no mask either. I am from a 200 year established family and trust me when I say there is no future worth contemplating in Ireland unless there is major changes on the countries trajectory.

wtf does this even mean? Anyway good riddance

Gregor Samsa

L1011 wrote: »

Moans about tyranny.

Moves to a country with an actual fascist in charge.

The important thing is, he's found a solution to all the problems he's made up.

Hotblack Desiato

john4321 wrote: »

Not sure why you are shilling for the "Far-Right" and without any sense of irony you have become an immigrant in a foreign country.

Ah no, he's not an immigrant atall atall, white people aren't immigrants they are ex-pats. :P

Degag

screamer wrote: »

I wish, cause I'd boot them all out on their backsides. Time for a technocratic government for Ireland, we'll need it with the **** storm we're facing economically for the next decade.

A Dail full of Shane Ross's? No thanks.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I wonder why so many Brazilians move to Ireland from this amazing utopia.

Oh, great. So ours is not as incompetent as the famously, absurdly disastrous Brazilian government. I will sleep easy tonight.

Are we still better than Bangladesh too? Next time I see a homeless man sleeping in a tent I will be sure to remind him "But things are worse in Bangladesh, goodnight!"

Dear lord can we not just live up to a reasonable standard that we have set for ourselves? Is that a lot to ask?