Passport application for newly Naturalised citizen

Igotadose

Has anyone succeeded in receiving a passport since the start of Covid? Can you obtain a passport online, or via Passport express, during Level 5?

Thank you

GerardKeating

Igotadose wrote: »

Has anyone succeeded in receiving a passport since the start of Covid? Can you obtain a passport online, or via Passport express, during Level 5?

Thank you

You can apply, but processing is currenly suspended until we exit Level 5 restrictions.

Igotadose

GerardKeating wrote: »

You can apply, but processing is currenly suspended until we exit Level 5 restrictions.

I know. I'm searching for someone that actually succeeded when we weren't in level 5 My questions will be about what you were required to submit, the website's vague

Marcusm

Igotadose wrote: »

I know. I'm searching for someone that actually succeeded when we weren't in level 5 My questions will be about what you were required to submit, the website's vague

What’s vague?

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If you are resident in Ireland, submit your:

Full civil birth certificate, (version that includes the name(s) of the parent(s).
Civil marriage certificate if applying in your married name.
Naturalisation Certificate.
Proof of address
Original of passport from country of birth (if available).
Copy of your Public Services Card if resident in Ireland.
The PSC is the most efficient way for you to verify your identify. This ensures that your application can be processed quickly.
If you do not have a Public Services Card, you must submit an original government issued photographic identification such as a driver’s licence or a passport from another country.
If you do not have any suitable documents, you will have to arrange an interview with staff at our Passport Office in Dublin or Cork. Contact us to arrange this.
Proof of name

GerardKeating

Igotadose wrote: »

I know. I'm searching for someone that actually succeeded when we weren't in level 5 My questions will be about what you were required to submit, the website's vague

When my wife naturalised a few years ago, we applied for her passport and I found the website very clear on requirements, unless it has changed since then.

Expect a 2/3 month delay once they resume, they say "The turnaround time after we resume will be 6-8 weeks." but also comment that first time applications take longer.

Jacovs

Im in the same position. Recently naturalised. Applied online but waiting for level 4 before submitting supporting documents.

The only part I dont understand is them requesting your passport from original country (if available). How do they know if it is available or not? Why do they need it? They claim it is to verify your ID, but then how do they verify the ID of any other irish first time applicant? They already ask for birth cert and PSC, should be enough to verify ID without submitting another passport.

We are waiting 3 months to have our marriage cert returned to us after renewing our child's passport in december.

So if we do go level 4 on 5 april and they start processing then you might end up with no passport at all if we go back to level 5 within the 6-8 weeks. Since they refuse to return any supporting documents until they are done processing and/or in level 5.

Igotadose

Jacovs wrote: »

Im in the same position. Recently naturalised. Applied online but waiting for level 4 before submitting supporting documents.

The only part I dont understand is them requesting your passport from original country (if available). How do they know if it is available or not? Why do they need it? They claim it is to verify your ID, but then how do they verify the ID of any other irish first time applicant? They already ask for birth cert and PSC, should be enough to verify ID without submitting another passport.

We are waiting 3 months to have our marriage cert returned to us after renewing our child's passport in december.

So if we do go level 4 on 5 april and they start processing then you might end up with no passport at all if we go back to level 5 within the 6-8 weeks. Since they refuse to return any supporting documents until they are done processing and/or in level 5.

What supporting documents did you submit? The website states they'll send you a list, was anything requested that wasn't on the list.

As you point out, I would not submit my non-Irish passport. I might need to make emergency travel and as it took them 6 weeks pre-Covid to return my passport when I applied for Naturalisation, I shudder to think how long it might take now. Further, in my opinion they don't need it, as they would have my naturalisation certificate, photos and other proof of who I am.

Jacovs

Igotadose wrote: »

What supporting documents did you submit? The website states they'll send you a list, was anything requested that wasn't on the list.

As you point out, I would not submit my non-Irish passport. I might need to make emergency travel and as it took them 6 weeks pre-Covid to return my passport when I applied for Naturalisation, I shudder to think how long it might take now. Further, in my opinion they don't need it, as they would have my naturalisation certificate, photos and other proof of who I am.

I have not submitted anything yet. Waiting for a return to levek 4.
The list of requirements is the same as on their website.
I asked them on webchat and they said the foreign passport is required. They could not say how they distinguish between those that are available and those that are not. But presumably if you have one and dont submit it then they will not process your application, and the processing time only starts once they have all documentation.

Igotadose

Jacovs wrote: »

I have not submitted anything yet. Waiting for a return to levek 4.
The list of requirements is the same as on their website.
I asked them on webchat and they said the foreign passport is required. They could not say how they distinguish between those that are available and those that are not. But presumably if you have one and dont submit it then they will not process your application, and the processing time only starts once they have all documentation.

Can you use Passport express then, visit the guards, get everything signed off and mail it it? It doesn't require a foreign passport.

Thanks

grogi

Igotadose wrote: »

Has anyone succeeded in receiving a passport since the start of Covid? Can you obtain a passport online, or via Passport express, during Level 5?

Thank you

Unfortunately not. The rationale must be that you shouldn't be traveling anyway...

Immigration services don't issue visas as well. I am aware of few cases where essential services sector cannot bring highly qualified workers and maintenance staff here

I personally find both simply unacceptable.

Jacovs

Igotadose wrote: »

Can you use Passport express then, visit the guards, get everything signed off and mail it it? It doesn't require a foreign passport.

Thanks

Whether you use passport express or apply online makes no difference, you still have to get the ID verification form signed by a garda and submit the same documents.
I notice their website shows a passport express paper application takes 6-8 weeks. An online application supposedly 20 working days, so keep that in mind.

Igotadose

Jacovs wrote: »

Whether you use passport express or apply online makes no difference, you still have to get the ID verification form signed by a garda and submit the same documents.
I notice their website shows a passport express paper application takes 6-8 weeks. An online application supposedly 20 working days, so keep that in mind.

Thanks. During the period that they're processing my application in Level 4, I will be without any passport, Birth Cert or Naturalisation certificate. Imagine if they go back to level 5 during the time it takes them to process and return my materials!

And, it's not like they didn't have my foreign passport at the start of the Naturalisation process *and* have regularly asked for copies of the biometric page.

I'm seriously considering asking my TD to intervene.

Jacovs

Igotadose wrote: »

Thanks. During the period that they're processing my application in Level 4, I will be without any passport, Birth Cert or Naturalisation certificate. Imagine if they go back to level 5 during the time it takes them to process and return my materials!

And, it's not like they didn't have my foreign passport at the start of the Naturalisation process *and* have regularly asked for copies of the biometric page.

I'm seriously considering asking my TD to intervene.

That is exactly my concern too.
Maybe you can request your support documents be returned once they have uploaded it to their system. Might get it back quicker then.

Marcusm

Igotadose wrote: »

Thanks. During the period that they're processing my application in Level 4, I will be without any passport, Birth Cert or Naturalisation certificate. Imagine if they go back to level 5 during the time it takes them to process and return my materials!

And, it's not like they didn't have my foreign passport at the start of the Naturalisation process *and* have regularly asked for copies of the biometric page.

I'm seriously considering asking my TD to intervene.

If your passport is available and you fail to submit it then you can’t complain about delays, unfortunately. The birth certificate does not identify your photo. The PSC does and is subject to DSP not DFA. Likewise, providing your passport as part of the naturalisation process if DOJ not DFA. Personally, I would do all I could to smoothen out the process, ie provide the documents they ask for. Things get processed more easily when they can tick all the boxes rather than having to search for systems elsewhere.

Jacovs

Marcusm wrote: »

If your passport is available and you fail to submit it then you can’t complain about delays, unfortunately. The birth certificate does not identify your photo. The PSC does and is subject to DSP not DFA. Likewise, providing your passport as part of the naturalisation process if DOJ not DFA. Personally, I would do all I could to smoothen out the process, ie provide the documents they ask for. Things get processed more easily when they can tick all the boxes rather than having to search for systems elsewhere.

Although I do agree with you, as I advised the OP above, I do question why they require the foreign passport from a naturalised citizen.
What I mean is, they are able to verify the identity of an irish born citizen without a passport, by using birth cert, garda ID verification form, PSC.
Why do they require the passport of a naturalised citizen for the same purpose, if they are also receiving the above documents which is sufficient in other cases? Not asking you specifically, just wondering.

Igotadose

Marcusm wrote: »

If your passport is available and you fail to submit it then you can’t complain about delays, unfortunately. The birth certificate does not identify your photo. The PSC does and is subject to DSP not DFA. Likewise, providing your passport as part of the naturalisation process if DOJ not DFA. Personally, I would do all I could to smoothen out the process, ie provide the documents they ask for. Things get processed more easily when they can tick all the boxes rather than having to search for systems elsewhere.

I agree that not having my application in the pile of 'needs further documentation' is important, but from a citizen's perspective, there's no difference between the DOJ and the DFA; this is a small country, they're two different departments in the same government, and heck, if I falsified anything to the DOJ they could arrest me, which would indicate my information supplied to date is acceptable as I have not been arrested.

The online application requires a scan of the biometric page of my non-Ireland passport. It also requires my physical passport to be sent in. This seems
unnecessarily redundant.

Once I send all the documents in, I'll be effectively 'stateless.'
The government will have all my identifying documents - passport, birth cert, naturalisation certificate. It'll have everything for some period of time that's essentially unbounded due to Covid-19 restrictions.

It just seems like while they're in the process of printing my Irish passport, they don't want me to be able to travel. If they'd stated that anywhere, that would help, at least I'd know what to expect.

Caranica

Igotadose wrote: »

Thanks. During the period that they're processing my application in Level 4, I will be without any passport, Birth Cert or Naturalisation certificate. Imagine if they go back to level 5 during the time it takes them to process and return my materials!

And, it's not like they didn't have my foreign passport at the start of the Naturalisation process *and* have regularly asked for copies of the biometric page.

I'm seriously considering asking my TD to intervene.

The Passports Act 2008 allows them to request any supporting documents deemed necessary. Getting a TD involved won't achieve anything.

Marcusm

Igotadose wrote: »

I agree that not having my application in the pile of 'needs further documentation' is important, but from a citizen's perspective, there's no difference between the DOJ and the DFA; this is a small country, they're two different departments in the same government, and heck, if I falsified anything to the DOJ they could arrest me, which would indicate my information supplied to date is acceptable as I have not been arrested.

The online application requires a scan of the biometric page of my non-Ireland passport. It also requires my physical passport to be sent in. This seems
unnecessarily redundant.

Once I send all the documents in, I'll be effectively 'stateless.'
The government will have all my identifying documents - passport, birth cert, naturalisation certificate. It'll have everything for some period of time that's essentially unbounded due to Covid-19 restrictions.

It just seems like while they're in the process of printing my Irish passport, they don't want me to be able to travel. If they'd stated that anywhere, that would help, at least I'd know what to expect.

If you think that the lack of co-ordination, use of single governmental databases is poor in Ireland, head off to a civil legal country like Brazil where changing names following marriage etc can involve trips to multiple governmental offices. There is some ability to reverify physical features on photos etc which is why your naturalisation certificate will have one printed on it. Personally, I am shocked that anything is verified by reference to the PSC photo as it is of such poor quality, taken in an environment which results in a poor capture etc.

They are not making you stateless, that is simply an irrelevant, incorrect comment. I have experience these inconveniences too (eg surrendering Irish passport to obtain U.K. learner permit etc at a time when I took weekly flights).

An all encompassing joined-up digital government where all residents are tracked by single identifier numbers to eliminate these minor inconveniences would be heaven to some but seen as Big Brother hell to others.