Wisconsin hunters kill 216 wolves in less than 60 hours, sparking uproar

J.R.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/03/wisconsin-hunters-kill-216-wolves-less-than-60-hours-uproar?fbclid=IwAR3QP8L9caRIayr9yep-3IAJ-nux6sdtYLEZ3j41fwV0P74tlRMxgEGdzNQ

Kranob

J.R. wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/03/wisconsin-hunters-kill-216-wolves-less-than-60-hours-uproar?fbclid=IwAR3QP8L9caRIayr9yep-3IAJ-nux6sdtYLEZ3j41fwV0P74tlRMxgEGdzNQ

It’s actually impressive how quickly the kills were logged and reported so the season could be ended early.

JustAThought

Kranob wrote: »

It’s actually impressive how quickly the kills were logged and reported so the season could be ended early.

sickening.

cookimonster

Interesting article, in fact, if I read it right they only culled a small amount over the yearly quota as seems to be the norm. If you take into account the number of wolves the native people have and choose not to cull then the figure is higher.
The real issue here is not the cull but the department sold/issued more tags then the number to be culled. I think a few staff members should be culled, figuratively literally from thier jobs. The batteries in the calculator must have run dry when they were issuing the tags.

Kranob

JustAThought wrote: »

sickening.

My comment?

Eddie B

Honestly don't see the problem. They're population is pretty healthy at the moment. They will probably put them back on the Protection list now anyway, now that Trump is gone.

Birdnuts

Eddie B wrote: »

Honestly don't see the problem. They're population is pretty healthy at the moment. They will probably put them back on the Protection list now anyway, now that Trump is gone.

It was the time of year(wolf pups already in dens who will now probably starve and likely pregant females shot too). Also the tribes are furious as the wolf is an important symbol in their culture. I have no problem with problem wolves being taken out but mass culls like this actually cause more problems when packs are broken up leading to lone wolves having to take down their own prey compared to ones that are stable pack members. All in all the issue was badly handled by the authorities and hunting lobbly which will only generate even more negative PR for hunters in general

cookimonster

cookimonster wrote: »

Interesting article, in fact, if I read it right they only culled a small amount over the yearly quota as seems to be the norm. If you take into account the number of wolves the native people have and course not to cull then the figure is higher.
The real issue here is not the cull but the department sold/issued more tags then the number to be culled. I think a few staff members should be culled, figuratively literally from thier jobs. The batteries in the calculator must have run dry when they were issuing the tags.

Almost double the quota

Eddie B

Birdnuts wrote: »

It was the time of year(wolf pups already in dens who will now probably starve and likely pregant females shot too). Also the tribes are furious as the wolf is an important symbol in their culture. I have no problem with problem wolves being taken out but mass culls like this actually cause more problems when packs are broken up leading to lone wolves having to take down their own prey compared to ones that are stable pack members. All in all the issue was badly handled by the authorities and hunting lobbly which will only generate even more negative PR for hunters in general

Hmmm, I'm not surehow true that is. Doubt if their are were many pups born by end of February. I find that the Americans are usually fairly kind with their seasons on a whole, and usually have good respect for their wildlife lawfully. Obviously when it comes to wolves in particular, people get passionate. I mean, there is talk about re-introducing them here, and even more seriously in the UK. People seem to want to ignore how much damage these animals can cause. YES I know, they are only doing what they do, but that doesn't lessen the damage, which is very real.

cookimonster

Deleted User wrote: »

Almost double the quota

No not at all.

Total Annual Cull Quota = 200

Native American Quota = 81
(What they choose to do is thier buisness, but it is still part of a cull quota)

Total Culled = 216

Total over the cull = 16

Again it was the amount of tags issued, the speed of which the tags were filled and as Birdnuts pointed out an inappropriate time to have the cull thats sparks the outrage.

cookimonster

By the way altough the wolf is considered bother and sister to the tribes of Wisconsin, were some tribes t
have set up reserves banning the hunting of the wolf, they do allow the wolf to be trapped and hunted for specific ceremonial purposes, hence the quota they hold.

cookimonster

cookimonster wrote: »

No not at all.

Total Annual Cull Quota = 200

Native American Quota = 81
(What they choose to do is thier buisness, but it is still part of a cull quota)

Total Culled = 216

Total over the cull = 16

Again it was the amount of tags issued, the speed of which the tags were filled and as Birdnuts pointed out an inappropriate time to have the cull thats sparks the outrage.

From the article
Hunters and trappers in Wisconsin killed 216 gray wolves last week during the state’s 2021 wolf hunting season – more than 82% above the authorities’ stated quota,

cookimonster

Deleted User wrote: »

From the article
Hunters and trappers in Wisconsin killed 216 gray wolves last week during the state’s 2021 wolf hunting season – more than 82% above the authorities’ stated quota,

Have a look at my post again, look at the figures. They closed the season, the quota was reached and exceeded by 16.

Again with feeling, the issue is that they over sold/issued the tags, and they did not factor in the overwhelming number of hunters that went out that opening weekend.
If they wanted to do it right they should have only sold / issued 200 permits as per thier annual cull plan.
This is an administrative feck up and not a reflection on the hunters.
Many states in America issue tags for various animals on a complicated lotto, that may only be once in a life time of a hunter. Routinely other species are managed by over the counter bought tags but these are recorded on a data base for future management plans.