Second number/burner apps with Irish/UK numbers for NVidia Shield TV Pro?

Terpsichorean Master

I recently received an Nvidia Shield TV Pro and upon attempting setup, suddenly realised (I know, I should have found that out when researching it; but I somehow completely missed it) that I cannot use it at all unless it's paired with my/a G00g.le account - something I'd prefer not to do.

It also seems that any and all workarounds or loopholes, have been shut down by the (do no) evil data-extraction empire since the device was launched; or at least those ones that aren't way too complicated for my, reasonable but rather limited, tech capabilities.

So, my question is - does anyone have any experience of second number or burner apps with Irish or UK numbers; that you can use with a temp a/c during verification, so as to bypass their enforced data extraction?

Cheers.

Terpsichorean Master

Bump!

Ten Pin

For clarity....you need a SIM card to set up a gmail account?

Lyca SIMs are available for 99c at Spar, Gala, Centra etc shops.

The potential drawback is the SIM goes inactive after 90 days unless topped up so 2FA SMS will be a problem after that....but if not needed then it won't matter.

Doodah7

It's a pity nVidia forgot to include the tin foil hat in the box.

Seriously, I'm no lover of Google but your paranoia is a little excessive in my opinion. Create an email address specifically for your Shield that you won't use for anything else using your phone for God's sake and stop worrying unnecessarily.

Terpsichorean Master

Ten Pin wrote: »

For clarity....you need a SIM card to set up a gmail account?

Lyca SIMs are available for 99c at Spar, Gala, Centra etc shops.

The potential drawback is the SIM goes inactive after 90 days unless topped up so 2FA SMS will be a problem after that....but if not needed then it won't matter.

No, I need an unconnected number to receive the activation code from Nvidia - setting up the separate email account is easily done; but I need to have a different number assigned to the a/c, otherwise they'll just tie it to my existing accounts and profile, which defeats the whole purpose of the exercise.

Maybe I didn't explain it as clearly as I thought, you can see how it's fully laid out here: https://androidtvnews.com/android-tv-without-google-account/

Re the second sim, I never actually thought of that, it's not a bad idea tbf - might look into doing it altogether.

Terpsichorean Master

Doodah7 wrote: »

It's a pity nVidia forgot to include the tin foil hat in the box.

Seriously, I'm no lover of Google but your paranoia is a little excessive in my opinion. Create an email address specifically for your Shield that you won't use for anything else using your phone for God's sake and stop worrying unnecessarily.

What a pointlessly snide comment, bravo! A pity they didn't include a filter for wannabe circus performers with their irrelevantly puerile posts, more like.

And spare me your hilariously misguided condescension - using my phone number will automatically tie any other e-mail addresses to my already existing profile, rendering the whole process futile. So your snottily risible suggestion, is as useless as it is unwanted. Much like yourself!

Doodah7

Terpsichorean Master wrote: »

What a pointlessly snide comment, bravo! A pity they didn't include a filter for wannabe circus performers with their irrelevantly puerile posts, more like.

And spare me your hilariously misguided condescension - using my phone number will automatically tie any other e-mail addresses to my already existing profile, rendering the whole process futile. So your snottily risible suggestion, is as useless as it is unwanted. Much like yourself!

Chortle!!

Go on with your misguided paranoia so!!

Of course you do realise that the operating system of the Nvidia Shield is...

ANDROID

which, guess what???? was developed by

GOOGLE

!!!

Gotcha!

Nollog

Surely you'll need a seperate internet connection too, as they'll be able to link your accounts to your IP address.

Make sure you set up a VPN immediately.

advertsfox

You don't need a phone number to create a Gmail account, I just made one to verify it. Create an alternative account you can use just for this (or for future spam / newsletter type registrations) and enter a dummy number (0871234567 for example).



Also, you don't need to sign into the Nvidia portion of the account setup either to use the Shield.

corkie

@advertsfox After a day or 2, you will be asked to verify/associate your account with a number and then will send a code by sms to it.

Terpsichorean Master

Doodah7 wrote: »

Chortle!!

Go on with your misguided paranoia so!!

Of course you do realise that the operating system of the Nvidia Shield is...

ANDROID

which, guess what???? was developed by

GOOGLE

!!!

Gotcha!

Are you still here?

"Chortle" indeed - that about says it all.

And 'guess what' Doodah (a truly apposite name, if ever there were one) - you couldn't 'get' someone if you spent your life trying. The only "misguided" person here is YOU, with your deliberately unhelpful, arrogantly dismissive, gatekeeping nonsense; and your laughable spoiler reveals. Google developed Android??? Oh no, I never knew that! :rolleyes:

Grow up and get lost - and don't let let the door hit you on the backside on the way out!

Terpsichorean Master

/\/ollog wrote: »

Surely you'll need a seperate internet connection too, as they'll be able to link your accounts to your IP address.

Make sure you set up a VPN immediately.

Already done - thanks for playing!

Terpsichorean Master

advertsfox wrote: »

You don't need a phone number to create a Gmail account, I just made one to verify it. Create an alternative account you can use just for this (or for future spam / newsletter type registrations) and enter a dummy number (0871234567 for example).



Also, you don't need to sign into the Nvidia portion of the account setup either to use the Shield.

Never said that you needed a number to create the e-mail a/c, you clearly haven't read or understood my posts; or the link that I posted laying the whole process out.
As corkie says, and I have already said above also, twice - you need an associated working number for the activation code.

And yes, you most certainly do need to sign in to use the Shield, that's the whole problem!

Terpsichorean Master

corkie wrote: »

@advertsfox After a day or 2, you will be asked to verify/associate your account with a number and then will send a code by sms to it.

Exactly - finally, someone actually gets it; thank you!

advertsfox

Terpsichorean Master wrote:

Never said that you needed a number to create the e-mail a/c, you clearly haven't read or understood my posts; or the link that I posted laying the whole process out.

No I've read your entire post very clearly. This is an Android device, Google owned so you're going to need to pair a "G00g.le" account. You are the one here asking for peoples help which they are providing, it's you who is not reading the posts clearly.

Terpsichorean Master wrote:

And yes, you most certainly do need to sign in to use the Shield, that's the whole problem!

I never said that... I have 2 Shields at home so I know you need to sign into a Google account on first setup - I said you don't need to sign into the Nvidia portion part of the setup screen (which comes directly after the Google login) which I mentioned based on your earlier post quote below.

Terpsichorean Master wrote:

I need an unconnected number to receive the activation code from Nvidia

corkie wrote:

After a day or 2, you will be asked to verify/associate your account with a number and then will send a code by sms to it.

I am well aware of this too but since this is being used as a temporary email address just for the Google login (which I have setup the exact same way), he can create an account, sign in on the Shield and be done with it so it doesn't matter about this.

What he needs to do is use a PC / mobile to create the account, not on the Shield setup screen - this will skip the initial phone number requirement.

Even if Google later asks for a number a day/week or month later, the account will still function. I've multiple dummy Google accounts for random services that are without phone numbers.

Doodah7

@advertsfox The poster is clearly an ass (and a self-important one at that). I wouldn't waste any more time trying to help him/her.

(Btw I have reported their post to me to the Mods).

corkie

@advertsfox

"I am well aware of this too but since this is being used as a temporary email address just for the Google login (which I have setup the exact same way), he can create an account, sign in on the Shield and be done with it so it doesn't matter about this."

His device will be for security reasons be associated with the email account, if it is ever factory reset, you could probably be locked out of the device.

advertsfox

corkie wrote: »

His device will be for security reasons be associated with the email account, if it is ever factory reset, you could probably be locked out of the device.

If it was a mobile phone, then yes potentially but that doesn't happen on an Android TV / Shield device. I've reset Android TV devices a 100 times, it doesn't associate the same way.

Nollog

https://48.ie/sign-up
You could get a free 48 SIM, you won't need to send a text just receive one, right?
You'd need to give them your address for delivery, but it's three not Google.
Or pick up a Tesco or Lyca etc. SIM in a shop.
If you've an old phone lying about pop it in or get a used one from cex or swappie etc.

Google have a security code thing on their accounts management webpage that works offline or online, I've used it when not near my phone to verify myself, if the "try another way" link is available in the process.
Same with an otp app like authy etc.

I set up a new account to use home over Christmas and I don't remember being forced to put my number in, but I could be wrong there.

Terpsichorean Master

advertsfox wrote: »

No I've read your entire post very clearly. This is an Android device, Google owned so you're going to need to pair a "G00g.le" account. You are the one here asking for peoples help which they are providing, it's you who is not reading the posts clearly.

I'm well aware what kind of a device it is and who makes and owns it - and that it needs to be paired with an account; but I never said that you need to use a number to set up the actual email a/c, (it was for the authentication code receipt that I said the number is needed, AFAIK) which is what you referenced in your reply, so you were incorrect to say I said that.

And if you actually think Doodah's snide responses (that you thanked, so you clearly agree with or endorse them in some way) are in any way helpful or trying to be, then you very obviously have an utterly different understanding of the meaning of that word to me.

And, let's be very clear, I interacted in good faith with anyone that actually was and is trying to help, as Ten Pin, /\/ollog and corkie can attest - so that's not in any way true either.

As such, I most certainly am not reading anything "incorrectly" in that context. I asked for help related to a specific question, that I laid out clearly, and then further clarified with a second post, including a link - and not only did Doodah decide that he would randomly interject to call me "paranoid" and in need of a "tin foil hat", for wanting to protect my privacy while using a device I paid a tidy sum for (such an outlandish idea, I know); but he also attempts to act like he's somehow being wronged when he deservedly gets responded to in kind.

Tell me, how exactly is that supposed to be "providing help"?

And you have shown, and continue to show, support for his obnoxious attitude, so you were also considered as such. It's not really that hard to understand.

I never said that... I have 2 Shields at home so I know you need to sign into a Google account on first setup - I said you don't need to sign into the Nvidia portion part of the setup screen (which comes directly after the Google login) which I mentioned based on your earlier post quote below.

My mistake then, if so - but in my defence, how would I know that? Seeing as I obviously haven't gone past that first screen yet, considering this whole thread is about how to do that securely, without using your own number - then I'm hardly likely to know what you're referencing, when you really didn't make that very clear tbf.

I am well aware of this too but since this is being used as a temporary email address just for the Google login (which I have setup the exact same way), he can create an account, sign in on the Shield and be done with it so it doesn't matter about this.

What he needs to do is use a PC / mobile to create the account, not on the Shield setup screen - this will skip the initial phone number requirement.

Even if Google later asks for a number a day/week or month later, the account will still function. I've multiple dummy Google accounts for random services that are without phone numbers.

I've already set up an account, on a different device - so, to clarify, is what you're saying, that as long as it's not actually setup on the Shield itself, it will still work?

And what about (not) logging into the nVidia screen after that - will that affect the functionality in any way?

Terpsichorean Master

/\/ollog wrote: »

https://48.ie/sign-up
You could get a free 48 SIM, you won't need to send a text just receive one, right?
You'd need to give them your address for delivery, but it's three not Google.
Or pick up a Tesco or Lyca etc. SIM in a shop.
If you've an old phone lying about pop it in or get a used one from cex or swappie etc.

Google have a security code thing on their accounts management webpage that works offline or online, I've used it when not near my phone to verify myself, if the "try another way" link is available in the process.
Same with an otp app like authy etc.

I set up a new account to use home over Christmas and I don't remember being forced to put my number in, but I could be wrong there.

Yes, that's definitely looking like the most viable option from what I can gather, it's certainly the most straightforward - as you can get sims handy enough in shops wherever.

Never knew that about the security code thing though - do you have a link for that?

Or do you mean it's just an option on each individual account page?

My god why do people go to do much trouble after buying a device without putting the effort into reading up before hand. Anti technologists I call them! I have a work colleague who has a Shield but has refused every single permission, he asked me to troubleshoot an issue in Emby where it was constantly transcoding, I tried to search for a movie and the Shield just sat there without responding, search wouldn't even respond. The same guy has a Fitbit with the wrong time as he refuses to let it sync with his phone. The thing is Google, Facebook and Twitter have all his info from his phone

Nollog

Terpsichorean Master wrote: »

Never knew that about the security code thing though - do you have a link for that?

Or do you mean it's just an option on each individual account page?

It's this https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6046815?hl=en
Looks like it only works on Android so might be a catch 22 situation.

And the authenticator app (otp) looks like it's locked behind adding a phone number so they've outsmarted me.