Planning application for new estate shows an entrance into our private estate

gutteruu

I live in private estate. 3 circles with a dozen houses in each. A new planning application went in for a new estate 3 fields away. No issue with that.

But when I dug deeper, there were references and drawings showing a separate entrance from "phase 2" showing a separate new entrance coming out directly into the side of my estate opposite my house. This new entrance would be much more convenient for the people in that estate. There is almost no green space in the new estate so the kids from the 100 no. 2 bedroom terraced houses would be playing directly outside my house.

My estate has just gone into receivership. The new owners would happily sell a new entrance, and if the council take it before that I'm sure they would so the same.

The application is only for phase 1 (40 ish houses), which doesn't include this entrance, but given these drawings have slipped in I'm worried they will hold merit for the next application.

Any ideas if it's legal, or what I could do to make sure the entrance never happens. No issue with them building the estate, just not the entrance.

Thanks

Squatman

gutteruu wrote: »

I live in private estate. 3 circles with a dozen houses in each. A new planning application went in for a new estate 3 fields away. No issue with that.

But when I dug deeper, there were references and drawings showing a separate entrance from "phase 2" showing a separate new entrance coming out directly into the side of my estate opposite my house. This new entrance would be much more convenient for the people in that estate. There is almost no green space in the new estate so the kids from the 100 no. 2 bedroom terraced houses would be playing directly outside my house.

My estate has just gone into receivership. The new owners would happily sell a new entrance, and if the council take it before that I'm sure they would so the same.

The application is only for phase 1 (40 ish houses), which doesn't include this entrance, but given these drawings have slipped in I'm worried they will hold merit for the next application.

Any ideas if it's legal, or what I could do to make sure the entrance never happens. No issue with them building the estate, just not the entrance.

Thanks

I would guess your only option is to object.

LFC Murphy

This happened to Estate I lived in a few years ago. The separate entrance was installed to a separate section of the new Estate. The residents objected but ultimately lost.

Did however get a number of traffic calming measures installed.your objection should relate to increase traffic volumes, noise, potential road wear etc

esmewatson

This also happened in our estate a few years ago. A developer of a new estate proposed to link through to a road in our estate as well as having their own main entrance on their own site. As a residents association we got together and submitted an observation on the planning application. The developer was unsuccessful with getting the through road.

It may not apply to your situation but if its of any help, here are some the points that we raised in our observation:


"We have concerns regarding two elements of the proposal. a) Road connection to our estate and b) services connection to our estate.

a) Road connection

It is suggested in a number of documents that it would be beneficial to connect the proposed road into our estate. We disagree with this for the following reasons.
The original Planning Permission ( Ref ****) for the estate which was granted on the (date) had a number of conditions attached. Condition nr. 1 stated that "The proposal to be carried out in accordance with plans submitted to the Planning Authority on the (date) as amended by revised plans submitted to the planning authority on (dates), except as may otherwise be required in order to comply with the following conditions".
The layout drawing showed the roads and houses as they are constructed today; as a housing estate comprising 42 houses constructed in three phases of 14. As the houses were sold a Certificate of Compliance with Planning Permission and Building Regulations was issued for each house and this document formed part of the title deeds to each house. The layout shown on the original Grant of Planning Permission Ref. (****) cannot be changed or else the legal title of each house must in turn be changed in order to comply with the new layout.

We do not see the benefit of having a “through road" traversing our estate. At present we have a number of Cul de Sacs which provide privacy and security. It is typical of any other housing estate design in (*****). It serves the residence well and to date there have been no accidents.

The publication Site Development Works - Recommendations for Housing Areas" Issued by the Department of the Environment and Local Government in 1998 contains the principles by which most housing estates are designed and this document is referred to in the conditions attached to planning Ref. ****.

Section 2.1 relating to roads specifies as follows:


Design
2.1 Layout Design
Layouts should be designed so as to deter through traffic. Road alignments should be such as to limit vehicle speeds and facilitate pedestrian movement. However, narrower roadway widths should only be considered where realistic measures have been incorporated to eliminate on-street parking. Adequate access for wheelchairs and prams should be provided

b) Connection of Services.

Our estate is serviced with a foul sewer pumping station. We have had numerous breakdowns and blockages over the years. We are concerned that if another 99 houses are connected to the system then it will overload. The original drainage layout was not designed to cater for such an increase.

In principle we do not have an objection to the proposed development. We are of the opinion that it should be independent regarding the provision of roads and services. "


The new estate was eventually built but without the through road. One other thing that you may want to consider is pedestrian access. The majority of the residents in our estates were also opposed to this at the time. Now that the new estate is complete and occupied, kids have just hopped over and back the fence between the two estates and over time repeatedly broken down fence panels to get through. It might be easier all round in the long run and more pleasant for all to allow a pedestrian entrance.

discodiva92

Let them have there entrance you have yours after all?

gutteruu

That's excellent. Much appreciated. I shortened the original post a bit. The original planning went in but was rejected until they supplied more info so they will resubmit at any time. It only came to light after about this entrance after. I don't think the company submitting realise there is now a campaign to stop the entire thing because of it. I don't mind the estate, but the entrance means I have to object.

esmewatson

gutteruu wrote: »

That's excellent. Much appreciated. I shortened the original post a bit. The original planning went in but was rejected until they supplied more info so they will resubmit at any time. It only came to light after about this entrance after. I don't think the company submitting realise there is now a campaign to stop the entire thing because of it. I don't mind the estate, but the entrance means I have to object.

Best of luck with it all. You may just want to check if any of the guidelines we referred to have been updated in the meantime as ours was a few years ago.

Frogeye

what is a private estate?

Frogeye

gutteruu

It's hasn't been 'taken in charge' by the council although there are attempts by some residents to have that happen.

rayjdav

esmewatson wrote: »

Best of luck with it all. You may just want to check if any of the guidelines we referred to have been updated in the meantime as ours was a few years ago.

Reference now is DMURS (Design Manual for Urban Roads & Streets 2019)