Pickup trucks....

nsnoefc1878

Is it just me or are we back in the celtic tiger days of popularity of these things? Seems they are everywhere, and from looking at comments on facebook for adverts and promos, it seems most are being bought as lifestyle vehicles by the suv crowd, and very few if any will see real work.
Am I missing something?

User1998

I would have thought it’s mostly business owners buying them similar to crewcab Range Rovers back in the day

bazz26

They are definitely back on the roads again but I'd doubt many are being run as privately owned vehicles. The main attraction is to run them on commercial rates through a business.

AMKC

The Government may just put a higher tax on them then. You really should not be buying one unless you need it. They are huge, dangerous on the roads and not that great to drive as well as not that practical either considering the boot is on the outside. Hell a modern van is probably better to drive than them.

nsnoefc1878

bazz26 wrote: »

They are definitely back on the roads again but I'd doubt many are being run as privately owned vehicles. The main attraction is to run them on commercial rates through a business.

Maybe most are doing that, same as I think happened back in their hayday in the Celtic Tiger era.
But I almost never see one driving around that looks 'worked', unless it has a company logo on the side of it. Maybe they are bought as a 'business' purchase but used as a private vehicle.

nsnoefc1878

AMKC wrote: »

The Government may just put a higher tax on them then. You really should not be buying one unless you need it. They are huge, dangerous on the roads and not that great to drive as well as not that practical either considering the boot is on the outside. Hell a modern van is probably better to drive than them.

I agree. Most of them have God awful interiors which given the price of them are laughable. The Ford's interiors are shocking.
I definitely think its a style thing that is driving their renaissance, from the people I see commenting on various adverts on facebook etc they definitely arent buying them as a work vehicle. But probably have a means to purchase them as a business vehicle and avoid the heavy tax. They seem to be the new suv.

Buddy Bubs

Americanisation of our culture.
My father had one, a Hilux that he worked out of, but sold it when he retired. He has an id3 on order now. Don't know why anyone would pick one just for transporting people or as a daily driver. Big, heavy, pig to drive but serious workhorses.

bazz26

nsnoefc1878 wrote: »

Maybe most are doing that, same as I think happened back in their hayday in the Celtic Tiger era.
But I almost never see one driving around that looks 'worked', unless it has a company logo on the side of it. Maybe they are bought as a 'business' purchase but used as a private vehicle.

A fair few would be bought/leased through the business and used by the owner rather than the likes of an employee work vehicle.

Casati

bazz26 wrote: »

A fair few would be bought/leased through the business and used by the owner rather than the likes of an employee work vehicle.

Don’t they attract full BIK or did that change again?

I see the owner of a five star hotel driving a new Ranger around here and really think he must be touched, a base Focus would be a much nicer drive

nsnoefc1878

Casati wrote: »

Don’t they attract full BIK or did that change again?

I see the owner of a five star hotel driving a new Ranger around here and really think he must be touched, a base Focus would be a much nicer drive

I think it changed again but not 100% sure on that.

garv123

AMKC wrote: »

The Government may just put a higher tax on them then. You really should not be buying one unless you need it. They are huge, dangerous on the roads and not that great to drive as well as not that practical either considering the boot is on the outside. Hell a modern van is probably better to drive than them.

Why are they dangerous on the road?

And they're not huge by any means. Most middle sized vans are bigger.

Just because they are not practical to you, doesn't mean they aren't practical to the people who drive them.

RandomViewer

garv123 wrote: »

Why are they dangerous on the road?

And they're not huge by any means. Most middle sized vans are bigger.

Just because they are not practical to you, doesn't mean they aren't practical to the people who drive them.

Wee bit of jealousy in it too ,I think

User1998

Casati wrote: »

Don’t they attract full BIK or did that change again?

I see the owner of a five star hotel driving a new Ranger around here and really think he must be touched, a base Focus would be a much nicer drive

I think anything with 5 seats is considered a car for BIK purposes. Crewcabs are considered cars for BIK

Lantus

Now I'm working from home was thinking of getting one for fun!!

RandomViewer

Lantus wrote: »

Now I'm working from home was thinking of getting one for fun!!

Unless you have work for them there really isn't any point, tax would be mad for private use

whisky_galore

AMKC wrote: »

The Government may just put a higher tax on them then. You really should not be buying one unless you need it. They are huge, dangerous on the roads and not that great to drive as well as not that practical either considering the boot is on the outside. Hell a modern van is probably better to drive than them.

What a load of me bollicks.

listermint

You know what would be great if we had a progressive bloody vehicle tax and insurance system where a person could get whatever vehicle they needed. Including a poxy van if they wanted for home use.

It's utter bollix tbh.

Who says a household doesn't need a van

nsnoefc1878

listermint wrote: »

You know what would be great if we had a progressive bloody vehicle tax and insurt system were a person could get whatever vehicle they needed. Including a poxy van if they wanted for home use.

It's utter bollix tbh.

Who says a household doesn't need a van

My dad let his last van fall to pieces and ended up having to pay someone to take it away.
Had he looked after it it would have last years longer, its a big regret of mine I didnt pay to have it kept on the road, he was a ltd company so could have kept it. Have moved house a lot over last few years and having one would be so handy for that and other things. I think they are enormously practical.

whisky_galore

listermint wrote: »

You know what would be great if we had a progressive bloody vehicle tax and insurance system where a person could get whatever vehicle they needed. Including a poxy van if they wanted for home use.

It's utter bollix tbh.

Who says a household doesn't need a van

Having a commercial privately short circuits so many brains in this country, esp insurance companies.

RandomViewer

whisky_galore wrote: »

Having a commercial privately short circuits so many brains in this country, esp insurance companies.

We have 2 cars but a van would be just as useful as a second vehicle Peugeot Expert size, i priced it the last time I was changing one of the cars and was told I'd need a new policy and proof of business etc.. Wasnt worth the bother at the time

Lantus

Another freedom we can add to list....

gctest50

AMKC wrote: »

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They are huge.....

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RandRuns

AMKC wrote: »

The Government may just put a higher tax on them then. You really should not be buying one unless you need it. They are huge, dangerous on the roads and not that great to drive as well as not that practical either considering the boot is on the outside. Hell a modern van is probably better to drive than them.

Ah here. "Dangerous on the roads" - get outta that, if they were any more dangerous than any other vehicle, they wouldn't be insurable.
"Not that great to drive" - how much driving have you done in one? Did it handle better or worse than, say a van?
"The boot is on the outside" - yes, ideal for loads that are awkward or oddly shaped (which is why so many farmers and contractors drive them). For loads that need to be protected from the weather (or idle hands) a canopy cover is available.

Pickups seem to engender a lot of jealousy in this country for some weird reason.
It's just another vehicle, albeit one that combines some of the advantages (and some of the disadvantages) of a car, van, and 4x4.

Ubbquittious

I have a pick up, fierce handy for carrying bulky stuff which I do a nice bit of when there is no lockdown. Not great for long journeys. I certainly didnt buy it to be in with the tiger crowd.

Sometimes I think will I sell it and get a RCZ or GT86 or even another VRS but I realise id be badly stuffed if I have to carry something big.

Dont see the appeal of the crew cab pickup at all. Cargo area much too small

AMKC

gctest50 wrote: »

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Them Passets are awful big jokes too. They should be taken of the roads as well.*

The thing that makes the pick ups more dangerous is the height of them. Aa far as I know Volvo are the only company to have there SUVs with a two stage front impact beams so if it's a high or low car it hits both passengers in both cars have a better chance of surviving as the crash energy gets dissipated around the two vehicles structures but if a pick up hit a Passat or a Corrola head on it would more than likely go over it.

* Note only joking.

S'

Anyone know the legality of buying a Volkswagen Tiguan brand new to be used as a commercial. 6% BIK ( back seats removed)? I thought this had ended back in August 2018.
https://www.frankhogan.ie/used-cars/Volkswagen/Tiguan/COMMERCIAL-2/202007070972794/

RandomViewer

AMKC wrote: »

Them Passets are awful big jokes too. They should be taken of the roads as well.*

The think that makes the pick ups more dangerous is the height of them. Aa far as I know Volvo are the only company to have there SUVs with a two stage front impact beams so if it's a high or low car it hits both passengers in both cars have a better chance of surviving as the crash energy gets dissipated around the two vehicles structures but if a pick up hit a Passat or a Corrola head on it would more than likely go over it.

* Note only joking.

That was the old Nissan Patrol issue, ground clearance isn't as high anymore unless a lifted Defender or the like

dmc100

S' wrote: »

Anyone know the legality of buying a Volkswagen Tiguan brand new to be used as a commercial. 6% BIK ( back seats removed)? I thought this had ended back in August 2018.
https://www.frankhogan.ie/used-cars/Volkswagen/Tiguan/COMMERCIAL-2/202007070972794/

I think it's fine with the 2 seat commercials. We have a few Tuscons at work and are due a couple of new Kuga commercials soon.
The practice of having back seats and still qualifying as commercial was stopped as far as I know. Or at least very few vehicles will meet the regulations.

garv123

AMKC wrote: »

Them Passets are awful big jokes too. They should be taken of the roads as well.*

The think that makes the pick ups more dangerous is the height of them. Aa far as I know Volvo are the only company to have there SUVs with a two stage front impact beams so if it's a high or low car it hits both passengers in both cars have a better chance of surviving as the crash energy gets dissipated around the two vehicles structures but if a pick up hit a Passat or a Corrola head on it would more than likely go over it.

* Note only joking.

Thats the best you can come up with?

Should we ban lorries for the same reason?

Casati

garv123 wrote: »

Thats the best you can come up with?

Should we ban lorries for the same reason?

Are lorries not prohibited for private use. I though they were only allowed as commercial vehicles for business purposes?

Ive a soft spot for decent pickups - had a Dodge Ram for a period and loved the V8 spinning the back wheels but agree that they are a stupid purchase for 99% of people - even for most tradesmen they are rubbish as they drink fuel and everything in the back has to be strapped down and not worried about getting wet etc. Most of them are rubbish to drive - think the Amarok is decent but a BiTdi Transporter 4 Motion is probably a superior drive

nsnoefc1878

RandRuns wrote: »

Ah here. "Dangerous on the roads" - get outta that, if they were any more dangerous than any other vehicle, they wouldn't be insurable.
"Not that great to drive" - how much driving have you done in one? Did it handle better or worse than, say a van?
"The boot is on the outside" - yes, ideal for loads that are awkward or oddly shaped (which is why so many farmers and contractors drive them). For loads that need to be protected from the weather (or idle hands) a canopy cover is available.

Pickups seem to engender a lot of jealousy in this country for some weird reason.
It's just another vehicle, albeit one that combines some of the advantages (and some of the disadvantages) of a car, van, and 4x4.

Why does everyone who criticises anything in Ireland get accused of jealousy?
I can only speak for myself, but I started the post as I'm curious at the explosion in interest I see online in these vehicles and the makeup of those interested seems to have changed a lot to my uneducated eye.
Its far from jealousy on my part, I could buy one tomoro if I wanted one.

madmac187

gctest50 wrote: »

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Won’t someone please think of the children!