Eco Scheme

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/schemes/revealed-the-agricultural-practices-set-to-be-required-in-new-agri-environmental-schemes-under-next-cap-39968239.html

Fairly likely I won't be applying for the Eco Scheme if this article is in any way accurate.

_Brian

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_Brian

_Brian wrote: »

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_Brian

Deleted User wrote: »

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tanko

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https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/schemes/revealed-the-agricultural-practices-set-to-be-required-in-new-agri-environmental-schemes-under-next-cap-39968239.html

Fairly likely I won't be applying for the Eco Scheme if this article is in any way accurate.

Can you say what these practices are?

_Brian

_Brian wrote: »

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Even a Cavan lad can't resist that bargain surely :pac:

tanko

tanko wrote: »

Can you say what these practices are?

It's too long of an article. The ones I won't be engaging with are rewetting, land lying fallow, shepherding, minimum water table level in Winter, extensive grazing of grassland. It's backwards stuff.

tanko

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It's too long of an article. The ones I won't be engaging with are rewetting, land lying fallow, shepherding, minimum water table level in Winter, extensive grazing of grassland. It's backwards stuff.

Hmmm, sounds like stuff i'd be interested in doing.
Forwards stuff doesn't seem to be doing farmers much good.

tabby aspreme

Is shepherding, keeping sheep, or something else now

_Brian

Rewetting is a hard sell lads, it would want to be well paid.

When you think of the generations that broke their backs draining land, it’s hard to think of going back. I think of the days spend handing down wee red clay pipes into shores and the improvements that brought.

Dinzee Conlee

Is this article talking about the same thing?

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/commission-publishes-list-of-potential-eco-scheme-practices-under-next-cap/

tanko

tanko wrote: »

Hmmm, sounds like stuff i'd be interested in doing.
Forwards stuff doesn't seem to be doing farmers much good.

That depends on ones perception of the direction of forwards I'm moving forward in a different direction.

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Is shepherding, keeping sheep, or something else now

I'm making the assumption it's like what was proposed in GLAS, physically ensuring stock are in certain places. But there'll be X hours of shepherding per week, priced on Y level decided by Dept. Life has moved on.

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Is this article talking about the same thing?

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/commission-publishes-list-of-potential-eco-scheme-practices-under-next-cap/

Pretty much, I had spotted it but had to put the young lad to bed.

_Brian wrote: »

Rewetting is a hard sell lads, it would want to be well paid.

When you think of the generations that broke their backs draining land, it’s hard to think of going back. I think of the days spend handing down wee red clay pipes into shores and the improvements that brought.

My money is on lots of catches, say you think OK I might rewet that bit, but the small print says it's a whole farm or catchment thing.

Castlekeeper

'All 'Allo , vould someone get anysing for ze field that vasn't vorth draining...?

_Brian

Castlekeeper wrote: »

'All 'Allo , vould someone get anysing for ze field that vasn't vorth draining...?

I wish it were just one.

Dinzee Conlee

The devil is in the detail...

But, on first read, there would be a few things in that list that would interest me.

Birdnuts

tanko wrote: »

Hmmm, sounds like stuff i'd be interested in doing.
Forwards stuff doesn't seem to be doing farmers much good.

I think if many folks on heavy/rush prone land did the sums it would probably make alot of sense in terms of farm gate prices and the way farming is heading in general. A good example is a lad near me in Erris who made big money in construction in the UK, came home and plowed eye watering amounts of cash into draining a large block of land. Several years later the rushes are winning the battle:rolleyes:

_Brian

Birdnuts wrote: »

I think if many folks on heavy/rush prone land did the sums it would probably make alot of sense in terms of farm gate prices and the way farming is heading in general. A good example is a lad near me in Erris who made big money in construction in the UK, came home and plowed eye watering amounts of cash into draining a large block of land. Several years later the rushes are winning the battle:rolleyes:

My fear for that is they will ignore land already wet and look for productive land to be degraded.

I’d hold my breath on this being a boon for wet rushy landowners.

Birdnuts

_Brian wrote: »

My fear for that is they will ignore land already wet and look for productive land to be degraded.

I’d hold my breath on this being a boon for wet rushy landowners.

I agree that that would be pretty pointless given the amount of land(alot of owned by semi-states like Coillte etc.) that would be suiteable for these measures

_Brian

_Brian wrote: »

My fear for that is they will ignore land already wet and look for productive land to be degraded.

I’d hold my breath on this being a boon for wet rushy landowners.

All land is productive, some is just badly managed, for a myriad of reasons.

Tig98

Given the trend of the last few years, wet land has proven a good asset to have in the back pocket.

In the hot, dry summers the lower fields come into their own and are more productive than any other field. As long as the rewetted land doesn't have to be strictly conserved it could be two birds with one stone. The summers are only getting drier lads.

Birdnuts

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All land is productive, some is just badly managed, for a myriad of reasons.

Thats only assuming you have an unlimted pot of money to maintain it with no regard to factory gate prices. This why the old CAP needed such massive reform(and still does!!)

Birdnuts

Birdnuts wrote: »

Thats only assuming you have an unlimted pot of money to maintain it with no regard to factory gate prices. This why the old CAP needed such massive reform(and still does!!)

Nope, I don't have an unlimited pot of money, I don't even have a job outside of farming, if this eco scheme pans out the way I think I won't tick the box for it so that's me - eco scheme € and also - environmental scheme money (as it's terms would have to be above and beyond eco scheme).

This new CAP is just farmers being sold from one master to another master. I prefer to take a different path and do my own thing. If I'm not in receipt of public money, OR more accurately if I'm not in receipt of public money that have batshít crazy requirements then I have no need to concern myself someone can come through my gate one day and negatively affect my income.

Why would I worry about factories, I don't go near them.

Birdnuts

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Nope, I don't have an unlimited pot of money, I don't even have a job outside of farming, if this eco scheme pans out the way I think I won't tick the box for it so that's me - eco scheme € and also - environmental scheme money (as it's terms would have to be above and beyond eco scheme).

This new CAP is just farmers being sold from one master to another master. I prefer to take a different path and do my own thing. If I'm not in receipt of public money, OR more accurately if I'm not in receipt of public money that have batshít crazy requirements then I have no need to concern myself someone can come through my gate one day and negatively affect my income.

Why would I worry about factories, I don't go near them.

Thats fine -everyone has different land types, priorities, financial resources etc. I'm just musing on the proposals in this area as they are

Birdnuts

Birdnuts wrote: »

Thats fine -everyone has different land types, priorities, financial resources etc. I'm just musing on the proposals in this area as they are

The Erris example didn't tell us much though. I've no issue with drainage of land, but the problem I suspect is the management of that land after the fact. It could be 100 acres in one block with five ponies on it. That is a long distance away from saying the land is worthless, should be re-wetted etc.

IMO, farmers would be better served reducing their exposure to CAP for a simple reason, we're dependent on it. So people hold their whist because they can't afford to make a -€5k or - €10k decision, even on something they vehemently disagree with. The people who make policy know this full well.

tanko

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All land is productive, some is just badly managed, for a myriad of reasons.

Productive is one thing, profitable is another.

What does "badly managed" mean, there's no point burying money in land that isn't going to give a worthwhile return.

tanko

tanko wrote: »

Productive is one thing, profitable is another.

What does "badly managed" mean, there's no point burying money in land that isn't going to give a worthwhile return.

Badly managed = generally working against yourself. IMO, things like overgrazing and the use of most, if not all, chemicals.

Profit comes in many ways. I would contend the majority of advice supplied to farmers is actually recognised as incorrect in the circles that dispense it, but it's too important of a money maker to other sectors to correct.