How to avoid planning permission

boldrevolt

With the whole housing crisis I'm looking to buy a small piece of land in order to have my own place.

Could anybody please clarify for me how to avoid needing planning permission.

Is a mobile home considered a permanent structure?

Can I live in either a yurt or caravan on wheels?

Whats the story with connecting to utilities?
can I collect my own rain water / use solar panels for electricity.

and in order to purchase land must I employ the services of a solicitor or can this fee be avoided.

Thanks in advance.

Homer

Become a traveller?

boldrevolt

Homer wrote: »

Become a traveller?

You like being Racist?

Peregrinus

boldrevolt wrote: »

With the whole housing crisis I'm looking to buy a small piece of land in order to have my own place.

Could anybody please clarify for me how to avoid needing planning permission.

Why do you want to avoid planning permission?

boldrevolt wrote: »

Is a mobile home considered a permanent structure?

Can I live in either a yurt or caravan on wheels?

Planning permission doesn't just regulate the erection of structures on land; it aslo regulates the use which is made of land.

You'll need planning permission to use the land to live in a mobile home, yurt or caravan more than temporarily.

boldrevolt wrote: »

Whats the story with connecting to utilities?
can I collect my own rain water / use solar panels for electricity.

You can do both of these things. At least, there's no law preventing it — obviously they may turn out not to be practical ways of meeting your needs. (E.g. the rainfall on your land may not be sufficient to meet your requirements for water.)

boldrevolt wrote: »

and in order to purchase land must I employ the services of a solicitor or can this fee be avoided.

You will need a solicitor.

Cerveza

A lot of the people that work in planning are very fond of brown envelopes.

10pennymixup

Cerveza wrote: »

A lot of the people that work in planning are very fond of brown envelopes.

Yes, they use them fondly to post out notices of unauthorised development!

cml387

This question has been asked on the accommodation forum and planning forum and it never ends well.

sydthebeat

boldrevolt wrote: »

With the whole housing crisis I'm looking to buy a small piece of land in order to have my own place.

Could anybody please clarify for me how to avoid needing planning permission.

Is a mobile home considered a permanent structure?

Can I live in either a yurt or caravan on wheels?

Whats the story with connecting to utilities?
can I collect my own rain water / use solar panels for electricity.

and in order to purchase land must I employ the services of a solicitor or can this fee be avoided.

Thanks in advance.

You can't.

To live permanently on a piece of land in any structure requires planning permission.

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Bikerman2019

boldrevolt wrote: »

You like being Racist?

He is telling it as it is.

Robbo

Homer wrote: »

Become a traveller?

Bikerman2019 wrote: »

He is telling it as it is.

Any more of this and there's bans. This isn't CA.

BattleCorp

Potentially stupid idea here but what would happen if you bought a piece of land and legally split it into two pieces of land. And then moved your caravan between the two parcels of land every 6 months?

Then you aren't living permanently on the site.

CIARAN_BOYLE

BattleCorp wrote: »

Potentially stupid idea here but what would happen if you bought a piece of land and legally split it into two pieces of land. And then moved your caravan between the two parcels of land every 6 months?

Then you aren't living permanently on the site.

How would you legally split it into two pieces of land

Also substance always trumps form. If it's a piece of land next to each other owned by the same person without the dividers it's the same piece of land.

Losty Dublin

boldrevolt wrote: »

Whats the story with connecting to utilities?
can I collect my own rain water / use solar panels for electricity.

and in order to purchase land must I employ the services of a solicitor or can this fee be avoided.

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If it's a new electric connection then you will have connection fees for electric, and these aren't avoidable as they gain you your grid access. Gas will also need a connection fee to access the grid. Solar isn't at the stage where you can run a household on it's electric, bar you setting out fields of panels and at that extent it would cost you fortunes.

You will need to contact Uisce Eireann at some stage to arrange water connection, both for fresh water and for disposal of waste water. Collection of rain water just won't give you enough water to run a house; even then it needs cleaning and filtering and storage. The likelihood of you having an on site source of clean and pure water along with an in situ septic tank or other collection system on site is minimal at best. You could fit a new septic or disposal system but this need planning permission and it won't be cheap.

As regards avoiding legal services, it's theoretically possible but not for the layman. PRAI searches, registrations, dealing with sellers legal teams, folios, awkwardly worded letters, deadlines, etc etc. You may also find that a seller or lenders will not deal with you unless you have appointed a solicitor.

BattleCorp

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

How would you legally split it into two pieces of land

Also substance always trumps form. If it's a piece of land next to each other owned by the same person without the dividers it's the same piece of land.

Supposing you had a fence down the middle. I don't think there is a law detailing how substantial the fence has to be. Caravan on one side of the fence for 6 months, then move it to the other side of the fence for 6 months and so forth.

Land is often split legally. Farmers selling sites for instance. Maybe I should have said divide instead of split. So that one parcel of land is legally divided into two parcels.

Peregrinus

BattleCorp wrote: »

Potentially stupid idea here but what would happen if you bought a piece of land and legally split it into two pieces of land. And then moved your caravan between the two parcels of land every 6 months?

Then you aren't living permanently on the site.

BattleCorp wrote: »

Supposing you had a fence down the middle. I don't think there is a law detailing how substantial the fence has to be. Caravan on one side of the fence for 6 months, then move it to the other side of the fence for 6 months and so forth.

Land is often split legally. Farmers selling sites for instance. Maybe I should have said divide instead of split. So that one parcel of land is legally divided into two parcels.

Never mind splitting the land or putting up a fence. If you're using the land as a site for an occupied caravan for more than 10 days in the year, you need planning permission. If you're storing an empty caravan on your land, you can keep it for up to nine months before you need planning permission, but it must not be connected to services or (of course) occupied as a dwelling.

brian_t

Peregrinus wrote: »

If you're storing an empty caravan on your land, you can keep it for up to nine months before you need planning permission.

Nine months?

The majority of folks with caravans would probably use them less then three months and then park them outside their houses the rest of the year.

Two weeks at Easter and two months in summer would be only two and a half months and that would be more then most would use them.

Peregrinus

brian_t wrote: »

Nine months?

The majority of folks with caravans would probably use them less then three months and then park them outside their houses the rest of the year.

Two weeks at Easter and two months in summer would be only two and a half months and that would be more then most would use them.

Storing a caravan within the curtilage of a dwelling-house for more than 9 months in the year is not an exempt development, and planning permission is required. People doing this without planning permission are reliant on the forbearance of their neighbours.

sydthebeat

BattleCorp wrote: »

Potentially stupid idea here but what would happen if you bought a piece of land and legally split it into two pieces of land. And then moved your caravan between the two parcels of land every 6 months?

Then you aren't living permanently on the site.

Its the same piece of land, owned by the same person

The fact that it's being divided in two on a piece of paper makes no odds.

Its not hard to understand....... If you live on it, it requires planning permission.

_Brian

Buy a plot with a derelict house. You could live in a caravan next to it as you rebuild it, you’d have a house at the end.