New type Hyundai I10 auto

Barr

Hi all.


I am looking at one of these for my mother . What is folks opinion on them.

Personally I like the shape of the new version.

What is the auto box like on them .

Are there better options /alternatives in that category I should consider .

Thanks in advance

colm_mcm

They seem a bit expensive compared to the old model (€4500 more, which is a lot on a €15k car)
Do you know why they cost more than an i20?

Edit: forget that. It was the new i20 I saw and not i10

Old type had a very reliable old school torque converter. Not sure if they’re still using one.

If she’s doing small enough mileage maybe look at the Kia Picanto as this has a 7 year 160k warranty vs the 5 year unlimited mileage warranty on the Hyundai.

kerten

colm_mcm wrote: »

They seem a bit expensive compared to the old model (€4500 more, which is a lot on a €15k car)
Do you know why they cost more than an i20?

Edit: forget that. It was the new i20 I saw and not i10

Old type had a very reliable old school torque converter. Not sure if they’re still using one.

If she’s doing small enough mileage maybe look at the Kia Picanto as this has a 7 year 160k warranty vs the 5 year unlimited mileage warranty on the Hyundai.

I think they moved to a single clutch automated manual box in new model.

OP, I would go for the old model if smooth operation of autobox is crucial.

colm_mcm

kerten wrote: »

I think they moved to a single clutch automated manual box in new model.

OP, I would go for the old model if smooth operation of autobox is crucial.

Just had a look on Parker’s and you’re right, the 2020 has a gearbox called AMT, which sounds like an automated manual.

Crucially, it adds 2.6 seconds to the 0-60 time compared to the normal manual box - which given that there are no losses through the automated manual transmission, is the extra time it takes to actually change gears.

I’m not a fan of this type of gearbox, I’d avoid.

Barr

kerten wrote: »

I think they moved to a single clutch automated manual box in new model.

OP, I would go for the old model if smooth operation of autobox is crucial.

In layman's terms would this AMT be jumpy or what is the drawback in use .

The car will mostly be used around town so nothing too taxing.

colm_mcm

The usual drawback with them is that in order to try and make the gear changes less jerky they cut the power to the engine while it’s changing. The ones that don’t do that require you to ease off yourself when you feel it about to change.

They can also change up or down at the wrong moment, I know a few older people who really regretted buying this kind of setup after being used to a torque converter.
Now I’ve never driven the new i10, and Hyundai may have done wonders, I believe the similarly set up ASG in the VW Up isn’t terrible, so they may have come on a bit in the last few years.

Personally I’d look at something that has a torque converter, a CVT, a dual clutch system like DSG, or an electric car. None of these will require any hard work from the driver.

colm_mcm

Did a quick google and found this from Car Magazine. Pretty much exactly as predicted.

If you value your sanity, do not buy the AMT. Standing for automated manual transmission, we truly thought this type of gearbox was on its way out. This gearbox alone would be sufficient to take the i10 from a four-star car to a one-star car.

It’s laughably slow and jerky to shift, up or down. It’s possible to smooth things out a little by lifting off slightly, but it’s so unpredictable that it’s very difficult to modulate this. You can take manual control if you wish – via the shifter, not paddles – but that doesn’t speed matters up.

This lack of urgency presents itself at roundabouts, where you can wave goodbye to slipping into small gaps in traffic, and on inclines, where changing down sacrifices so much momentum that it often requires yet another shift.

If you need a small auto, buy this car’s predecessor with its thirsty but competent four-speed torque converter. Or, set yourself on fire. It’ll be more fun than attempting a commute with this AMT

Barr

Thanks Colm , that auto sounds like a non runner .

The picanto will be the same I'd guess . Shame as there is not a whole pile of options in that category.

Zurbaran

Dont know much about it but the Toyota aygo has an auto.

colm_mcm

Zurbaran wrote: »

Dont know much about it but the Toyota aygo has an auto.

Even worse! Basically the same box the last 15/16 years, few software upgrades and rebranded twice

colm_mcm

Barr wrote: »

Thanks Colm , that auto sounds like a non runner .

The picanto will be the same I'd guess . Shame as there is not a whole pile of options in that category.

I think the revised Picanto with the new box only came out in September.

Pretty sure this one is the old type, has the 4 cylinder engine too.
https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/kia/picanto/fpa/202010215253546?journey=Search

I think this unregistered one is the older type too
https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/kia/picanto/fpa/201905077691453?journey=Search

bazz26

The Picanto uses a CVT gearbox. The Aygo X-Shift is an automated manual just like the i10.

Most small city cars in automatic are either CVT or those automatic manuals as these gearboxes are cheaper than traditional torque converters. You really need to look at something from the next segment up and from the VAG group which will have a DSG gearbox, the likes of the Polo or Ibiza.

colm_mcm

bazz26 wrote: »

The Picanto uses a CVT gearbox. The Aygo X-Shift is an automated manual just like the i10.

Most small city cars in automatic are either CVT or those automatic manuals as these gearboxes are cheaper than traditional torque converters. You really need to look at something from the next segment up and from the VAG group which will have a DSG gearbox, the likes of the Polo or Ibiza.

This says it’s an automated manual for the new model
https://www.whatcar.com/kia/picanto/hatchback/review/n58/on-the-road

Another change is that Kia will offer an automated manual gearbox as an alternative to the standard five-speed manual. The Picanto used to be available with a rather outdated four-speed automatic, but it's likely that had too much of an impact on efficiency to continue to be offered. Instead, Kia is now offering a five-speed 'AMT' transmission, which is mechanically the same as a manual gearbox, but the clutch operation and gear shifting is taken over by electronics.