Mapping of propperty

lots of sheep

Hi, can anyone tell me what the costs are for getting an engineer to correct the boundary line of a property. Its 3 property folios and engineer fee?

Had a fee agreed with the engineer, then came the additional charges that where never mentioned until the bill came.

Has anyone ever heard of a separate fee for an OSi licence fee, required as you are producing OSi data?

Gumbo

Yes. You have to buy OSi maps. If you use the digital version you have to pay the digital fee.

€1k give or take.

lots of sheep

Hi, thanks for coming back to me, I have received a property folio charge, wasn't expecting a OSI charge, is that a new thing?

sydthebeat

lots of sheep wrote: »

Hi, thanks for coming back to me, I have received a property folio charge, wasn't expecting a OSI charge, is that a new thing?

did you get written quotes before any work was carried out ?

lots of sheep

Hi sydthebeat, got an email from engineer with his fee and charges of €40.00 per electronic property portfolio, no mention or discussion of a OSi licence fee until I read the invoice.

I have used engineers in the past, never seen the OSi licence fee before??

sydthebeat

lots of sheep wrote: »

Hi sydthebeat, got an email from engineer with his fee and charges of €40.00 per electronic property portfolio, no mention or discussion of a OSi licence fee until I read the invoice.

I have used engineers in the past, never seen the OSi licence fee before??

Its a yearly fee paid by the engineer to the OSI, in order to reproduce maps under license.

Its a business expense however so I'm not sure why theres a separate breakdown on the invoice... It's like separating out the electricity used to prepare the map.

Gumbo

Is it possible he just bought the single use map?

sydthebeat

Gumbo wrote: »

Is it possible he just bought the single use map?

fair point

how much of a fee was it OP?

lots of sheep

There was his fee, €120 for 3 electronic property folios, all agreed prior to work and then in the invoice was a €55.00 OSI licence fee?

TheW1zard

Sounds right to me

sydthebeat

lots of sheep wrote: »

There was his fee, €120 for 3 electronic property folios, all agreed prior to work and then in the invoice was a €55.00 OSI licence fee?

the only thing i can think of is that he marked the 3 electronic folios and made / sent copies of these as originals (there usually is only one "original")

the only way to do this properly is to pay a licence fee for making the copies to turn them into valid land reg maps

maybe when you spoke to him originally he didnt know how many copies were to be sent around?

TheW1zard

Sounds like he charged you for the planning pack

sydthebeat

TheW1zard wrote: »

Sounds like he charged you for the planning pack

if so, he shouldnt have as there is no mention of a planning application

muffler

TheW1zard wrote: »

Sounds like he charged you for the planning pack

Planning packs dont cost €55

Charlie-Bravo

There's a few different charges happening I think; those 40 euro fees are per digital outline from the PRAI. The digital file you get is a vector file and means nothing when printed (although in ITM coordinates). The professional engineer needs to purchase the digital OSi data to overlay it with the PRAI prime. Getting that OSi data would be easy more than 55 euro. Including a once off license it would be a minimum of ~€120.

What is the engineer charging for his actual professional services because it doesn't look like they're making any money yet!

lots of sheep

Planning pack?, didn't ask for one but its hard to know whats going through an engineers mind.

lots of sheep

Fee is €400 plus 3 electronic maps and this the OSI licence fee, for me, its why didn't he mention it before when I asked for the cost before the whole process started rather than sticking it on the invoice?

TheW1zard

He would have needed the tile from Osi. The tile obviously cost around that. The price varies on what tiles you get.
A planning pack contains a tile with a licence you can use for a one off use. Ie getting boundaries amended on landdirect etc

sydthebeat

TheW1zard wrote: »

He would have needed the tile from Osi. The tile obviously cost around that. The price varies on what tiles you get.
A planning pack contains a tile with a licence you can use for a one off use. Ie getting boundaries amended on landdirect etc

i didnt think you could use a planning pack map for land registry purposes anymore?

they insist on it being a land reg map

muffler

sydthebeat wrote: »

i didnt think you could use a planning pack map for land registry purposes anymore?

they insist on it being a land reg map

Also, why pay close to €60 for a planning pack when the LR Compliant map can be bought for just €30.25

muffler

Meant to add that the LR state that OS mapping has to be the "compliant" map. ...

If you choose to lodge a hard copy Ordnance Survey Map, the map lodged must be an original Ordnance Survey Ireland ‘Land Registry Compliant Map’

Taken from here

Charlie-Bravo

muffler wrote: »

Also, why pay close to €60 for a planning pack when the LR Compliant map can be bought for just €30.25

The compliant map for that price is only a pdf output. Can't see how you'd easily get the Folio outline digital vector over laid onto it. The digital planning pack really needs the licensing adjusted to include for digital mapping.

OP, for the price you're taking about including engineer's fee, it's very competitive, even with the extra cost of the OSi fee.

TheW1zard

Im not sure guys, just throwing out suggestions. If i was doing the job id get the tile from osi.

Charlie-Bravo

I'm interested in what you mean by tile? Do you have a link to what you would purchase for the OSi data? Take say, I wanted to map the GPO building in Dublin. How much would the tile cost, and is it coming in ITM format?

TheW1zard

Charlie-Bravo wrote: »

I'm interested in what you mean by tile? Do you have a link to what you would purchase for the OSi data? Take say, I wanted to map the GPO building in Dublin. How much would the tile cost, and is it coming in ITM format?

https://store.osi.ie/index.php/land-registry-compliant-map.html? The price may be what you paid depending on how many tiles and what scale. Yes they come in ITM.

mickdw

I usually price this kind of thing as my fee plus approx map costs cause its not alsays obvious when standing in a field exactly what will need to be bought.
If 3 maps need go be producsd for this job, you are certainly not being robbed.
Sounds very much on the cheap side.
Wait until you get to the solicitors fees!