Second hand items from ebay - Addresspal ?

Discodog

What's the situation with buying second hand items on ebay ? Is VAT charged ? Will there be additional payments due if I use Addresspal for these items ?

Thanks

whiterebel

No difference between new and second hand. Yes, you will be liable for charges.

Snotty

Discodog wrote: »

What's the situation with buying second hand items on ebay ? Is VAT charged ? Will there be additional payments due if I use Addresspal for these items ?

Thanks

Short answer Yes, but I believe all these companies are still working out how this will work in action. The company I use have said they will email on Monday with the new process and charges

Discodog

So maddening. A pair of trousers & ebay want £18 postage :eek:

Makes most of ebay.ie pointless.

Snotty

Only of use to people living at the border but you can get most ebay items delivered to an argos in the North and pick it up.
Not sure how long they will keep it for and this service might stop if they think its being abused.

o1s1n

I missed out on so many 'UK only' auctions before parcel motel came along, looks like we're going back to those days

Snotty

o1s1n wrote: »

I missed out on so many 'UK only' auctions before parcel motel came along, looks like we're going back to those days

Back to the days of messaging "Hi, will you post to the Republic of Ireland and how much will it cost" for every item.

I'm sure no one would be that dishonest but definitely a opportunity for people with an address in the North but working or travelling regularly to the South to make some extra money.....

Discodog

Snotty wrote: »

Back to the days of messaging "Hi, will you post to the Republic of Ireland and how much will it cost" for every item.

I'm sure no one would be that dishonest but definitely a opportunity for people with an address in the North but working or travelling regularly to the South to make some extra money.....

Some will say yes & then use the extortionate global shipping program.

Fwarder

Lads, silly question and perhaps doesn't have anything to do with the PM, however, if I buy some 2nd hand thing from ebay (from the private seller), how does it go now with the VAT?

Like, if the item is 100£ with shipping, do I just pay those 100£, PM or address pal services and that's it?

I'm not getting that stripping UK VAT, charging Irish VAT stuff

harmless

Fwarder wrote: »

Lads, silly question and perhaps doesn't have anything to do with the PM, however, if I buy some 2nd hand thing from ebay (from the private seller), how does it go now with the VAT?

Like, if the item is 100£ with shipping, do I just pay those 100£, PM or address pal services and that's it?

I'm not getting that stripping UK VAT, charging Irish VAT stuff

It doesn't matter if it is second hand, VAT is still due @21%;
Ebay takes care of everything

Log into you ebay account and browse some items, you will see import charges just under postage.

o1s1n

Snotty wrote: »

Back to the days of messaging "Hi, will you post to the Republic of Ireland and how much will it cost" for every item.
..

Don't remind me, the horror! :eek:

Especially annoying when the auction ended before they saw your email.

Fwarder

harmless wrote: »

It doesn't matter if it is second hand, VAT is still due @21%
Ebay takes care of everything

Log into you ebay account and browse some items, you will see import charges just under postage.

Dammit I ordered three items to Address Pal (same thing as PM) so I guess I'll pay both UK VAT and Irish one since parcel is first "domestic" delivery, then "International" delivery

harmless

Fwarder wrote: »

Dammit I ordered three items to Address Pal (same thing as PM) so I guess I'll pay both UK VAT and Irish one since parcel is first "domestic" delivery, then "International" delivery

If it's a small seller it may be possible that no UK VAT was paid on the item. It's not crossing a VAT zone so there are no checks.

There's no legal way of avoiding VAT on items imported into the EU though.

Fwarder

harmless wrote: »

If it's a small seller it may be possible that no UK VAT was paid on the item. It's not crossing a VAT zone so there are no checks.

There's no legal way of avoiding VAT on items imported into the EU though.

Thanks!

Any chance you'd know how it would go with ordering some tools from the "proper" store in NI with direct delivery to RoI?

Snotty

harmless wrote: »

Log into you ebay account and browse some items, you will see import charges just under postage.

Obviously with your Irish address and not your postal motel etc address like most of us currently use as our "home" address

Discodog

Kudos to our brave guinea pigs who are testing the system for us :pac:

uli84

This sucks big time love shopping on ebay

Discodog

I wonder if Paypal could do the same as Amazon ?

_Kaiser_

As an English speaking country with historical, cultural and trading ties to the UK, this whole thing is a massive mess for us in particular.

I'd wager more Irish people buy from Amazon UK and eBay IE/UK than they do European sites, not to mention the wider effects (and no doubt delays and additional costs) it'll have on retail here too.

Yes the UK brought it on themselves, but once again the EU has failed to consider our interests here properly as well aside from the 'big ticket' items.

Discodog

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

As an English speaking country with historical, cultural and trading ties to the UK, this whole thing is a massive mess for us in particular.

I'd wager more Irish people buy from Amazon UK and eBay IE/UK than they do European sites, not to mention the wider effects (and no doubt delays and additional costs) it'll have on retail here too.

Yes the UK brought it on themselves, but once again the EU has failed to consider our interests here properly as well aside from the 'big ticket' items.

I would say that the end deal is pretty good for us compared to how it could of turned out.

Discodog

Are the import charges always showing up before you hit the buy it now button or bid ?

Discodog

OmegaGene wrote: »

For items being posted here they seemed to be

So it's a case of trying to compare the costs between ebay direct & using addresspal.

harmless

OmegaGene wrote: »

Just went to look for a few bits on ebay and I am gutted at the import charges for used items, I haven’t kept up to speed with things since the deal was agreed and assumed when they said there was no tariffs that it was going to be all good how we were before
How wrong I was lol I just bought a watch for £700 and hit with the import at checkout ah well

Yes there is still VAT due on second hand items, the deal means you avoided the 4.5% customs charge for watches that enter the EU single market.

harmless

Discodog wrote: »

So it's a case of trying to compare the costs between ebay direct & using addresspal.

If you use address pal there is still VAT due which is currently 21% so be sure to include that in the calculation.
When you order from Ebay direct to your Irish address the VAT is already paid.

Sleeper12

Discodog wrote:

So maddening. A pair of trousers & ebay want £18 postage

The reason some sellers do this is because they don't pay ebay fees for the postage. Some sellers reduce the price of the item being sold & add it to the postage. EBay takes a sizable chunk in commission. PayPal will take another 3 percent on the whole transaction including the postage

harmless

Sleeper12 wrote: »

The reason some sellers do this is because they don't pay ebay fees for the postage. Some sellers reduce the price of the item being sold & add it to the postage. EBay takes a sizable chunk in commission. PayPal will take another 3 percent on the whole transaction including the postage

This is usually the case.

It also happens when a seller doesn't care about selling outside the UK.
I frequently see free UK shipping or £20 worldwide, so you end up paying the same shipping to Ireland as you would to Australia.
In this case you could try contacting the seller. If they really want to make the sale they will then add a reasonable rate on shipping to Ireland.

Corvus Libros

Sleeper12 wrote: »

The reason some sellers do this is because they don't pay ebay fees for the postage. Some sellers reduce the price of the item being sold & add it to the postage. EBay takes a sizable chunk in commission. PayPal will take another 3 percent on the whole transaction including the postage

That used to be true years ago, but it's no longer the case. eBay now charges sellers exactly the same percentage fee on the postage. Now there's no incentive for sellers to inflate the postage price.

What we're seeing with unusually high postage fees is often eBay's Global Shipping Program. The seller posts the item to an eBay centre within the UK and eBay send it internationally to the buyer. The price the buyer sees is set by eBay for this service. For us in Ireland, it's often more expensive than if the seller had posted it directly. Some sellers prefer GSP because they don't have to deal with international returns and refunds for lost items; eBay takes responsibility for that.

Snotty

So has anyone got definite charges from the likes of parcel motel?
For example if I buy something on ebay tomorrow for £20 and its posted to the UK, aside from the usual €2/3 these crowd charge, what will we pay?
Understand that come March/April it may be different

whiterebel

Snotty wrote: »

So has anyone got definite charges from the likes of parcel motel?
For example if I buy something on ebay tomorrow for £20 and its posted to the UK, aside from the usual €2/3 these crowd charge, what will we pay?
Understand that come March/April it may be different

Parcel Motel is suspended, Parcel Wizard are finished. There will probably be no call for a service through Northern Ireland.

Have s look here:https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058146415

bb12

i want to buy from a uk website that no longer delivers to ireland so will have to use my addresspal address. as far as the seller is concerned they are just shipping nationally to the uk so won't be putting any documentation on the outside of the package.

so i'm wondering how it will work from addresspal's end. how will they know what vat amount to charge. will they open the package? or will they request the invoice from me? any ideas?

whiterebel

bb12 wrote: »

i want to buy from a uk website that no longer delivers to ireland so will have to use my addresspal address. as far as the seller is concerned they are just shipping nationally to the uk so won't be putting any documentation on the outside of the package.

so i'm wondering how it will work from addresspal's end. how will they know what vat amount to charge. will they open the package? or will they request the invoice from me? any ideas?

They'll ask for the value and invoice and charge you VAT, Customs clearance and their fee. Seller should put an invoice in the package.

Tow

bb12 wrote: »

i'm wondering how it will work from addresspal's end. how will they know what vat amount to charge. will they open the package? or will they request the invoice from me? any ideas?

The same as they currently do if buying the the USA. They open and inspect each parcel, if there is an invoice they use its value. If there is none they email you for a copy/proof of value and description.

pummice

So where did the amount of €22 come from? Who decided that this was the threshold. What are the chances post Brexit that ANPost / Revenue will be inundated with parcels from Britain, and decide to increase the €22 amount to avoid hiring many more staff?

EB_2013

I used to buy quite a few items from eBay UK but looking at what they are charging for shipping now without the Parcel Motel NI it can work out multiple times dearer than what the actual item is. I wonder can we use a European version of eBay instead?

I hope Parcel Motel can figure another way around this as I'm sure they will lose alot of business without the NI address.

BorneTobyWilde

I dunno how anyone company will be able to deal with the millions of parcels coming from ebay and amazon uk into Ireland.

Did the UK say business as normal on their end? Not going to be charging on parcels coming from eu

Hardy883

Does anyone know whats the situation with an item purchased from Amazon in December but not yet delivered due to stock/Christmas/brexit/covid delays. Since the sale took place before Brexit, the UK were still in the EU. Standard VAT was charged by Amazon. No import deposit fee. I presume there will be no import fee?

Snotty

Hardy883 wrote: »

Does anyone know whats the situation with an item purchased from Amazon in December but not yet delivered due to stock/Christmas/brexit/covid delays. Since the sale took place before Brexit, the UK were still in the EU. Standard VAT was charged by Amazon. No import deposit fee. I presume there will be no import fee?

Date of sale wouldn't mater, its date of entry to Ireland that customs are concerned with, saying that it depends who delivers it, I've heard of packages arriving as normal

Kilree

Hi I recently bought a second hand item on Ebay the cost including delivery to Addresspal's address in the UK was 37.30 Euro. It arrived at the Addresspal site on 15th Jan and I have yet to receive it. I received a bill from An Post for a VAT payment of 8.30 and a further payment to An Post of 3.50. This makes a total of 10 Euro given to An Post for their services. I have to say that I felt Addresspal was jumping on the Brexit bandwagon at the outset in increasing their fee to 6.50 in the first place and removing the lower fee for Post Office pickup but at this rate almost a total of 30% of my original purchase will be handed over to An Post. I can't see myself using the Addresspal facility too often in the future.