The Mary Robinson/Norma Foley tone

veryangryman

How do people end up speaking in such an out of touch wiyh the common man and woman tone.

Saying words you'd only see written down like "espousing"

I can't describe it well (being a common man etc) but when you hear them speak and the way they present themselves youd see it

Are there special schools they goto to get like that. It's like the rod up their butt has a rod up its butt

Fighting Tao

veryangryman wrote: »

How do people end up speaking in such an out of touch wiyh the common man and woman tone.

Saying words you'd only see written down like "espousing"

I can't describe it well (being a common man etc) but when you hear them speak and the way they present themselves youd see it

Are there special schools they goto to get like that. It's like the rod up their butt has a rod up its butt

Just ordinary school.

SpacialNeeds

veryangryman wrote: »

How do people end up speaking in such an out of touch wiyh the common man and woman tone.

Answered your own question.

veryangryman wrote: »

special schools

I genuinely think she's an automaton.

The Tetrarch

Michael Diaspora Higgins is another one.

completedit

What's wrong with espousing? Certain words capture exactly what the person is thinking in their head. I don't see what the alternative is, unless you want them to speak like Donald Trump.

Degag

Is there something wrong with someone having a decent vocabulary now?

EmmetSpiceland

Degag wrote: »

Is there something wrong with someone having a decent vocabulary now?

Perfectly cromulent words.

AutoTuning

So basically what you're saying is the most important thing to be a leader is to be as thick as two short planks and have a narrow vocabulary to ensure you don't upset anyone with words they are unfamiliar with?

See: Donald Trump. That worked out well!

2020s anti-intellectualism at its finest.

veryangryman

There must surely be an in between.

Maybe Leo... dropped down a couple of notches.

Albert Reynolds, Enda Kenny, Tony Blair, Bill Clinton, JFK. All perfectly fine speaking regular folk language.

I'm not even going into their politics. I'm saying speak regular English that doesn't alienate most of the electorate.

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I noticed there you did a quick edit from 'ostracise' to 'alienate.' Good on ya! You can't be confusing the electorate with your book learnin'!

completedit

veryangryman wrote: »

There must surely be an in between.

Maybe Leo... dropped down a couple of notches.

Albert Reynolds, Enda Kenny, Tony Blair, Bill Clinton, JFK. All perfectly fine speaking regular folk language.

I'm not even going into their politics. I'm saying speak regular English that doesn't alienate most of the electorate.

I think the best communicators are able to articulate complex ideas in regular language. I really like the political economist Mark Blyth in this regard. But it's an extremely hard thing to do and it depends on the subject/issue being discussed. Sometimes it's just not possible to speak about a topic by keeping it simple stupid.

valoren

There are two types of people. Those, with healthy self-esteem, who hear words like espouse, might not understand what it means but they look it up and learn something new. Then there are those who hear the same word, don't understand it and, in their insecurity, determine that the person uttering such words are full of themselves or passive-aggressively mocking and belittling them.

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valoren wrote: »

There are two types of people. Those, with healthy self-esteem, who hear words like espouse, moght not understand what it means but look it up and learn something new. Then there are those who hear the same word, don't understand it and, in their insecurity, determine that the person uttering such words are full of themselves or passive-aggrrssively mocking and belittling them.

So many big words there:

self-esteem = how they feel inside about themselves.
insecurity = a bit shaky
uttering = speaking or saying, like.
passive-agressive = being a w---ker
belittling = making people feel like sh1te.

whisky_galore

The Tetrarch wrote: »

Michael Diaspora Higgins is another one.

Speaks in those breathy, whispery tones peculiar to Wesht of Arland educated arty types.

Dial Hard

The Tetrarch wrote: »

Michael Diaspora Higgins is another one.

Leave Miggeldy alone! The man is a national treasure and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise!

SpacialNeeds

What perplexes (confuses) me is that she's a former principal. These days, you need to have a highly attuned (sensitive) radar for what level of comprehension (understanding) the group you're talking to has. Also organisational skills. A modicum (small, undefined amount) of compassion and relatability. Also the illusion that you have a handle on anything you're responsible for.

Honestly if we could put one Irish person in the bin this year it should be her.

I don't see why she should have to watch her language because people are getting stupider..

jojofizzio

SpacialNeeds wrote: »

What perplexes (confuses) me is that she's a former principal. These days, you need to have a highly attuned (sensitive) radar for what level of comprehension (understanding) the group you're talking to has. Also organisational skills. A modicum (small, undefined amount) of compassion and relatability. Also the illusion that you have a handle on anything you're responsible for.

Honestly if we could put one Irish person in the bin this year it should be her.

Hang on....she had a UK no.1 in the late 80s with Orinoco Flow.....the woman’s a national treasure....

COVID

SpacialNeeds wrote: »

What perplexes (confuses) me is that she's a former principal. These days, you need to have a highly attuned (sensitive) radar for what level of comprehension (understanding) the group you're talking to has. Also organisational skills. A modicum (small, undefined amount) of compassion and relatability. Also the illusion that you have a handle on anything you're responsible for.

Honestly if we could put one Irish person in the bin this year it should be her.

That's a load of shíte (shíte).

MrMusician18

SpacialNeeds wrote: »

What perplexes (confuses) me is that she's a former principal. These days, you need to have a highly attuned (sensitive) radar for what level of comprehension (understanding) the group you're talking to has. Also organisational skills. A modicum (small, undefined amount) of compassion and relatability. Also the illusion that you have a handle on anything you're responsible for.

Honestly if we could put one Irish person in the bin this year it should be her.

What perplexes me is that she's a minister at all...

veryangryman

Sorry I bothered with this thread

Her dad was also a politician. I really wish they made it illegal for people to get politician jobs cos of what mammy or daddy does. Generation after generation it breeds fools

More the fool those who vote them in. May as well have a house of lords

I Am The Law

Whats scary is these light weights have control now, people (irish citizens) vote for this type of mess, it'll take another 100 years.

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Why would you make it illegal. She was elected by a constituency.

The main reason people who have politicians as relatives tend to find their way into politics is that it's just obvious to them that you can go out, campaign and get elected. They're not just dropped in by their parent or whatever. They just know how to run a campaign.

If we want to get feilds opened up to broader choices of candidates, we need to get people more involved in politics earlier and that's up to political parties' culture. Eg: still have abysmally poor female representation, which seems to be entirely down to party culture.

The biggest issue at the moment is that if you stand you're torn apart by social media viciousness. I've seen a few people from a range of political points of view and parties take their first steps into local government, get their fingers badly burnt by how they were treated online and decide they'd be better off just going back to being a teacher, running a shop, being an accountant or whatever it was that they usually do. The world seems to hate politicians who just came from grass roots these days and prefers nice non-politicians, who won bigly on social media like Trump.

Hold politicians to account, but at the same time realise they're mostly (not all) very decent, normal people putting themselves out there to represent their communities and improve things and that applies to the whole spectrum from independents to the full range of parties on the left, the centre and the right. You might not agree with them all but the vast majority of them are out there with good motives.

We're rapidly getting to a stage where nobody in their right mind would stand as a politician. We're not quite there yet but we're on that path. The US is much further ahead and look what you end up with: a whole load of high office holderd who either aren't in their right mind or who are in office for all the wrong reasons.

Edgware

valoren wrote: »

There are two types of people. Those, with healthy self-esteem, who hear words like espouse, might not understand what it means but they look it up and learn something new. Then there are those who hear the same word, don't understand it and, in their insecurity, determine that the person uttering such words are full of themselves or passive-aggressively mocking and belittling them.

no worra i meen

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

veryangryman wrote: »

How do people end up speaking in such an out of touch wiyh the common man and woman tone.

Saying words you'd only see written down like "espousing"

I can't describe it well (being a common man etc) but when you hear them speak and the way they present themselves youd see it

Are there special schools they goto to get like that. It's like the rod up their butt has a rod up its butt

I like that they don’t dumb it down. It would be worse if they assumed that the general public were too lumpen to understand big words. My friends used to tease me for sounding like I “swallowed a dictionary” in school. Maybe they could crack a book every once in a while?

Dyr

Dial Hard wrote: »

Leave Miggeldy alone! The man is a national treasure and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise!

He's a superannuated, self regarding, spoofer. The living mascot of the Saoirse Touchy-Feely brigade