Importing from Germany advice

baz69

Looking at bringing in a bike from Germany,anyone do it lately and who did you use to ship it over and cost please,I presume there are no additional costs from Germany besides the vrt based on cc and year etc ,it's a 1997 650 BMW ,thanks.

galwaytt

baz69 wrote: »

Looking at bringing in a bike from Germany,anyone do it lately and who did you use to ship it over and cost please,I presume there are no additional costs from Germany besides the vrt based on cc and year etc ,it's a 1997 650 BMW ,thanks.

Try Overlanders for freight. I used a co called Jarvis Transport a few months ago going the other way and it worked out well too.

What 97 BMW out of curiosity- they're usually cheaper here.....

baz69

It's a F650st specifically in orange ,for missus she had one new in 97 ,few low mileage ones not the cheapest but immaculate cond,going opp direction what sort of cost were Jarvis ,trying to see approx cost for collection.

Del2005

baz69 wrote: »

It's a F650st specifically in orange ,for missus she had one new in 97 ,few low mileage ones not the cheapest but immaculate cond,going opp direction what sort of cost were Jarvis ,trying to see approx cost for collection.

If they are low mileage, <6k km, then you will have to pay VAT when you get it here. So try to buy with more than 6k or if a dealer see if they will sell without VAT for export.

baz69

mileage wise there between 12 and 20 k .

The Tetrarch

I imported a BMW K1300S from near London in November 2020.
Chas Mortimer Ltd did the shipping. It was GBP 300 +60 VAT.
They ship worldwide. Excellent service.

Paying the VRT was easier than expected. I phoned 01-4135975 (I think that was the number).
They gave me booking time and date for NCT, Deansgrange, Co Dublin.

I brought along a plastic wallet file with about ten A4 plastic pockets:

• VRT booking appointment confirmation
• Electricity bill - Sep/Oct 2020 (to prove my address)
• Local Property Tax letter (to confirm my PPS No)
• P60 - certificate of Pay, Tax, PRSI for y/e 31/12/18 (to confirm my PPS No)
• Liberty Insurance - cert of motorcycle insurance on the imported bike
• Chas Mortimer Ltd - international consignment note 05/11/20
• UK DVLA doucument V5C/3 - vehicle information (I think NCT retained some UK papers)
• MOT test certificate - test 02/11/20 - gives mileage at that date
  (mileage 02/11/20 9,044; 18/01/19 8,991; 09/02/18 8,966; 03/02/17 8,867 ... the bike only did 177 miles in 3 years 9 months)
• Powerbiking Ltd purchase invoice GBP 7,499 27/10/20 09:21:31 with payment log on it i.e. GBP 500 deposit 22/20/20; bank transfer 28/10/20; final GBP 145 29/10/20 from credit card as EURO to GBP gave a small shortage.

This was plenty of information.
I just handed over the file and the NCT staff read it and took copies as needed.
Then an inspection of the bike: you need to show them the VIN number on the frame, and turn on the engine to show the mileage.

They gave me the new Irish registration number, and said to pay the motor tax in three days. You use the last seven (?) digits of the VIN as the pin code.
That was a Saturday. On the Monday I tried but motortax.ie did not recognise the registration.
The following day it did accept the registration and I paid the motor tax.

IrishGrimReaper

I follow a fella on Facebook called "Slampi", he runs a courier thing and I see him making trips to Hungary from Ireland and back all the time. Germany would be one of the countries he goes through and he regularly posts asking if people need things picked up from there. May be worth a check if you've no success with other couriers.

The Tetrarch

Just while I'm running off at the mouth I'll comment on the delivery.
The Chas Mortimer van arrived mid afternoon, ideal for me as I live in a gated community of 17 houses and the car park is often full.
The car park was almost empty at that time.

I think Char Mortimer do a run to Ireland every few weeks.
First they gather the bikes at their UK storage location until they get a van load.
Their van was massive, a long body version of a Mercedes (?).
He had come through Rosslare, went to "past Cork" to collect a vintage bike (50 WX reg) (value 40k) going to the UK.
The van had four bikes on board: vintage twin; my BMW K1300S; a 1400 cc Suzuki, and a Kawasaki (?).
The van had a fold-out steel ramp that extended to about 12 feet, and the driver unloaded the Suzuki to get mine out. Then he drove the Suzuki back up the ramp.

baz69

Thanks ,yeah have imported bikes from uk ,last one been Feb this year Yamaha fz750,can't see it being viable now with vat and duty even with sterling rate being good ,that's why iam looking outside uk into Europe ,no exchange rate being euro and only vrt payable on the model year bikes iam looking at.

baz69

Thanks ,yeah was onto slampi,approx €500 ,just waiting to hear back from a few others .

emo72

Been watching kleinenzagen for a while, German type of eBay I think. Some lovely stuff on it. Maybe this will be the new place to import from.

Del2005

baz69 wrote: »

Thanks ,yeah have imported bikes from uk ,last one been Feb this year Yamaha fz750,can't see it being viable now with vat and duty even with sterling rate being good ,that's why iam looking outside uk into Europe ,no exchange rate being euro and only vrt payable on the model year bikes iam looking at.

There's no duty on imports from the UK. If you can get it VAT free then it will be viable, you just need to find a dealer willing to do the paperwork

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/personal-export-scheme-notice-707

listermint

Del2005 wrote: »

There's no duty on imports from the UK. If you can get it VAT free then it will be viable, you just need to find a dealer willing to do the paperwork

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/personal-export-scheme-notice-707

All the paperwork to satisfy the requirements and the delivery will make it more expensive.

It's not as cut and dry and handy dandy as people are pretending. There's a hell of alot of nothings changed nonsense going on.

Del2005

listermint wrote: »

All the paperwork to satisfy the requirements and the delivery will make it more expensive.

It's not as cut and dry and handy dandy as people are pretending. There's a hell of alot of nothings changed nonsense going on.

It's one form and they used to do VAT free export of new vehicles before, the only thing that had changed is you need to use form 410 instead of 411.

listermint

Del2005 wrote: »

It's one form and they used to do VAT free export of new vehicles before, the only thing that had changed is you need to use form 410 instead of 411.

Afraid not it now has to get customs clearance. It's a third country like bringing in from Japan.

It's not as simple as you are making out. Theres alot of coffee smelling needed.

Del2005

listermint wrote: »

Afraid not it now has to get customs clearance. It's a third country like bringing in from Japan.

It's not as simple as you are making out. Theres alot of coffee smelling needed.

Loads of people bring in cars from Japan. If there are savings to be made then importing from the UK will be worthwhile and the customs process is straightforward,

listermint

Del2005 wrote: »

Loads of people bring in cars from Japan. If there are savings to be made then importing from the UK will be worthwhile and the customs process is straightforward,

Loads of people do it now. Because it's a well worn path and companies now have the paperwork and costs down to a T.

This isn't the case with the UK. It may take some years for companies to get setup properly to do this. It all adds a cost. It's red tape they are outside the single market and customs union. This is what they voted for.

Paperwork. Compliance costs rules of origin . Customs clearance.


New world.

CJhaughey

listermint wrote: »

Afraid not it now has to get customs clearance. It's a third country like bringing in from Japan.

It's not as simple as you are making out. Theres alot of coffee smelling needed.

Not to mention CoC certs as well.

Del2005

listermint wrote: »

Loads of people do it now. Because it's a well worn path and companies now have the paperwork and costs down to a T.

This isn't the case with the UK. It may take some years for companies to get setup properly to do this. It all adds a cost. It's red tape they are outside the single market and customs union. This is what they voted for.

Paperwork. Compliance costs rules of origin . Customs clearance.


New world.

If you can import a car from Japan then you can import from the UK, you need the same paperwork and procedures to import from the UK as Japan.

The rules are the same to import from outside the EU, so how can a vehicle not manufactured for the EU market be easier to import than one that is manufactured for the EU?

listermint

Del2005 wrote: »

If you can import a car from Japan then you can import from the UK, you need the same paperwork and procedures to import from the UK as Japan.

The rules are the same to import from outside the EU, so how can a vehicle not manufactured for the EU market be easier to import than one that is manufactured for the EU?

Ah Jesus lad. Will you give it a rest.

Fine it's just the same as before. Off you go there and buy something tell us how easy it was just like last year n all. One form.

Del2005

listermint wrote: »

Ah Jesus lad. Will you give it a rest.

Fine it's just the same as before. Off you go there and buy something tell us how easy it was just like last year n all. One form.

So what extra steps will I need to do to register a British vehicle vs a Japanese vehicle?

Garvan

I'm looking forward to hearing from the first guy that does import from the UK now

Does the bike need an inspection by Customs as a matter of course?
Where is the VAT paid?
How long will all this rigmarole take?

If everything is done at the VRT centre then hopefully not too much extra hassle.

As has been said some UK dealers already list vehicles as VAT Qualifying so that could be a +

As for me I'm also considering Germany but maybe drive the bike home

CJhaughey

Garvan wrote: »

I'm looking forward to hearing from the first guy that does import from the UK now

Does the bike need an inspection by Customs as a matter of course?
Where is the VAT paid?
How long will all this rigmarole take?

If everything is done at the VRT centre then hopefully not too much extra hassle.

As has been said some UK dealers already list vehicles as VAT Qualifying so that could be a +

As for me I'm also considering Germany but maybe drive the bike home

Can be done but isn't as simple because the plate doesn't stay with the vehicle.
You have to get temporary plates and temporary insurance.
Don't take it lightly riding on the other side of the road, easy to get caught out especially on roundabouts or crossing centre line, Stay off the Autobahns for a while, they don't mess around on them and its easy to think you are fine pulling out and find a Porsche or similar up your rear.

Garvan

CJhaughey wrote: »

Can be done but isn't as simple because the plate doesn't stay with the vehicle.
You have to get temporary plates and temporary insurance.
Don't take it lightly riding on the other side of the road, easy to get caught out especially on roundabouts or crossing centre line, Stay off the Autobahns for a while, they don't mess around on them and its easy to think you are fine pulling out and find a Porsche or similar up your rear.

Yep. I knew about the plates and insurance. It's quite reasonable from what I've read. And I've done quite a bit of continental driving and riding over the years. Touch wood there's been nothing disastrous yet

As for the autobahns......yeah baby #rideitlikeyastoleit

CJhaughey

Garvan wrote: »

Yep. I knew about the plates and insurance. It's quite reasonable from what I've read. And I've done quite a bit of continental driving and riding over the years. Touch wood there's been nothing disastrous yet

As for the autobahns......yeah baby #rideitlikeyastoleit

Of course it depends on what bike you are looking at getting, not all are fast enough on the 'bahn.:eek:
Ze Germans in their performance motors have lead feet, pedal to the metal and they don't hang around.
Pity we don't have some stretches on the M8 like that:pac:

fordpopular

galwaytt wrote: »

Try Overlanders for freight. I used a co called Jarvis Transport a few months ago going the other way and it worked out well too.

What 97 BMW out of curiosity- they're usually cheaper here.....

When do you need it in Ireland by
f650 great bike have a 96 one myself

Garvan

Found this so N.Ire may still be an option....