Abusive from CEO

lolly25 · 16-12-2020 12:56am #1

I know I can't ask for legal advice per say.
If a CEO was send a highly abusive and derogatory email to an employee, calling them horrendous names and telling them where to go in no uncertain terms, would this be a very clear cut legal case against the company?

Thks.

Dav010 · 16-12-2020 1:07am

Is there such a thing as a clear cut legal case? If there was a history of repeated abuse or assaults to your dignity, you might have a case for bullying, if you were there for more than a year, you could have a case for unfair dismissal. Context is important.

Ticking and Bashing · 16-12-2020 1:26am

Strange for the CEO (or anyone) to send abusive emails like that and not realise that the emails could be saved / shared. Unfortunately you probably won't get much or any support internally against the CEO. Doesn't sound like a nice place to work. Do you like your job or would you leave?

lolly25 · 16-12-2020 1:49am

lolly25 · 16-12-2020 1:52am

Ticking and Bashing wrote: »

Strange for the CEO (or anyone) to send abusive emails like that and not realise that the emails could be saved / shared. Unfortunately you probably won't get much or any support internally against the CEO. Doesn't sound like a nice place to work. Do you like your job or would you leave?

He's extremely reckless but this is the first time he's bang to rights in a documented communication and let himself slip too far. They don't even have a dedicated HR.

Snotty · 16-12-2020 2:03am

It's not as simple as you think, an email can easily be faked and proving it is genuine requires access to
mail servers and specialist IT skills, forensic skills that will be paid for by you.

In saying all that, the threat of taking the email to an employment tribunal might be enough, but just be aware that an email on its own might not be enough.

lolly25 · 16-12-2020 2:15am

Snotty wrote: »

It's not as simple as you think, an email can easily be faked and proving it is genuine requires access to
mail servers and specialist IT skills, forensic skills that will be paid for by you.

In saying al

Dav010 · 16-12-2020 8:33am

If you are only working there since March, the Unfair Dismissals Act may not apply, and the threshold to be met for a successful claim of bullying was raised by this case. You may indeed have him bang to rights, but it’s by no means gaurenteed.

https://www.matheson.com/insights/detail/has-the-supreme-court-decision-in-ruffley-established-a-higher-threshold-for-bullying

Make sure you go through the grievance process first, this will strengthen your case. You should be prepared for them to lay out the level of your supposed incompetence at any hearing.

Misguided1 · 16-12-2020 2:06pm

lolly25 wrote: »

It's on a 10-12 email thread, the reasoning is clear and across two diff communication platforms, I have emails from the same from when I worked there previously 2yrs ago including an email asking me to come back to work for them last March.

It would be a very strange of me to even attempt to fake all that. I worked in a diff section of an internet security company, it would take a hell of a lot of skill to do all that and I'm obviously not qualified in that field nor am I in those kind of circles.

A big part of this is them breaking every rule around Covid in the book, forcing people to share filthy vehicles etc

If the place is that bad, why did you go back?

OMM 0000 · 16-12-2020 2:33pm

I find it very hard to believe a CEO is sending e-mails to staff calling them retards and to go **** themselves.

However if you're really telling the truth and this isn't a wind up, you need to ask yourself what your goal is.

Resign and then sue?

Stop the abuse?

Something else?

What do you want?

If it's "resign and then sue" then you need to talk to a solicitor and not trust advice from a bunch of strangers on boards (who likely are kids with social anxiety) as this is a complex issue.

lolly25 · 16-12-2020 3:59pm

KAREN KUNT wrote: »

I find it very hard to believe a CEO is sending e-mails to staff calling them retards and to go **** themselves.

However if you're really telling the truth and this isn't a wind up, you need to ask yourself what your goal is.

Resign and then sue?

Stop the abuse?

Something else?

What do you want?

If it's "resign and then sue" then you need to talk to a solicitor and not trust advice from a bunch of strangers on boards (who likely are kids with social anxiety) as this is a complex issue.

What are you on about?! Why the hell would I come onto a forum and make up stories? You just exactly the sort person that needs to go get a life somewhere. Idiot

lolly25 · 16-12-2020 4:02pm

Misguided1 wrote: »

If the place is that bad, why did you go back?

It has gotten really bad since I was last there, I regretted going back almost immediately once I saw how badly things have deteriorated and have been looking for work elsewhere all over the pandemic.

lolly25 · 16-12-2020 4:06pm

Should have known better asking anything on this ****ing twat of a forum, stupid busybody *****

Smee_Again · 16-12-2020 4:08pm

lolly25 wrote: »

Should have known better asking anything on this ****ing twat of a forum, stupid busybody *****

I'm beginning to see what triggered the abuse.

lolly25 · 16-12-2020 4:18pm

Sad *****, you all called Karen?

Snotty · 16-12-2020 4:18pm

lolly25 wrote: »

Should have known better asking anything on this ****ing twat of a forum, stupid busybody *****

Ah so the CEO was probably a completely reasonable person and the emails are probably detailing your ineptitude, I think we all understand now.

lolly25 · 16-12-2020 4:19pm

Smee_Again wrote: »

I'm beginning to see what triggered the abuse.

Pity you can't see morons making up scenarios in their head that don't exist....

'I find it hard to believe' wtf? Cupid stunt

HeidiHeidi · 16-12-2020 4:19pm

lolly25 wrote: »

What are you on about?! Why the hell would I come onto a forum and make up stories? You just exactly the sort person that needs to go get a life somewhere. Idiot

Well, that escalated quickly :eek:

GBX · 16-12-2020 4:23pm

Are you the CEO Lolly ?

Smee_Again · 16-12-2020 4:26pm

lolly25 wrote: »

Pity you can't see morons making up scenarios in their head that don't exist....

'I find it hard to believe' wtf? Cupid stunt

Is this how you speak to the CEO?

OMM 0000 · 16-12-2020 4:28pm

lolly25 sent me a PM calling me a retard and telling me to go **** myself.

This is a troll and should be ignored.

Stark · 16-12-2020 4:29pm

OMM 0000 wrote: »

I find it very hard to believe a CEO is sending e-mails to staff calling them retards and to go **** themselves.

Reminds me of the time I was sending an email and thankfully just before I sent it, noticed that I had signed off with "Retards" instead of the more passively aggressive "Regards".