Importing from U.K. from January.

AlekSmart

With the sudden reality of post Brexit VAT/Customs Duty and the rest now hitting the plain people of Ireland (and Amazon),what do folks think will occcur to the personal import situation.

I'm guessing it's not going to be good news for us V5'rs

gipi

Bikers will have an advantage over car importers in one respect....at least there aren't lhd bikes! It might be cheaper to cast the net wider and look at France or Germany for imports.

macplaxton

Do a bit more paperwork, pay a bit more money (depending on exchange rate), job done.

VRT is (CO2 + NOx) is the pain in the hole with cars. Not really as much of a headache comparitively with motorcycles.

colm_c

gipi wrote: »

Bikers will have an advantage over car importers in one respect....at least there aren't lhd bikes! It might be cheaper to cast the net wider and look at France or Germany for imports.

A number of bikes have headlights for lhd/rhd so can be a few hundred quid if you have to swap them.

Also France have power limits on a lot of their bikes, zee Germans no such limit.

fatbast

colm_c wrote: »

A number of bikes have headlights for lhd/rhd so can be a few hundred quid if you have to swap them.

Also France have power limits on a lot of their bikes, zee Germans no such limit.

Apparently a 10% tariff plus a full vat charge will apply to UK imports after dec 31 deal or no deal. Similar to importing from US and other non eu countries.
German bikes are generally in excellent condition but usually have higher mileage than here, have headlights pointing the wrong way and transport costs approx 5 to 600 euro. Prices are actually higher than Ireland when you include vrt and transport I think. Maybe there will be a resurgence in Japanese imports

H_Lime

fatbast wrote: »

Apparently a 10% tariff plus a full vat charge will apply to UK imports after dec 31 deal or no deal. Similar to importing from US and other non eu countries.
German bikes are generally in excellent condition but usually have higher mileage than here, have headlights pointing the wrong way and transport costs approx 5 to 600 euro. Prices are actually higher than Ireland when you include vrt and transport I think. Maybe there will be a resurgence in Japanese imports

Or fellas here with raggedy old gixers will be adding 2k to the price on dd now:pac: SP 1s will be strictly poa have to ask you can't afford.
Think the biggest kicker in this for me will be buying parts and bits online from ebay and the like. If they underdeclare the value you're caught if lost and its not every seller who will do that. Missus tells me that a 150 euro clothing purchase will cost her some thi g like 220 after all charges! Same on bits for the bike! This will hurt crossans no end.

CJhaughey

H_Lime wrote: »

Or fellas here with raggedy old gixers will be adding 2k to the price on dd now:pac: SP 1s will be strictly poa have to ask you can't afford.
Think the biggest kicker in this for me will be buying parts and bits online from ebay and the like. If they underdeclare the value you're caught if lost and its not every seller who will do that. Missus tells me that a 150 euro clothing purchase will cost her some thi g like 220 after all charges! Same on bits for the bike! This will hurt crossans no end.

Good excuse for a run north , hard to do sometimes though.

positron

Post Brexit, when importing from UK, any chance of getting a refund of the VAT etc paid in the UK? Probably not..!

CJhaughey

positron wrote: »

Post Brexit, when importing from UK, any chance of getting a refund of the VAT etc paid in the UK? Probably not..!

You can ask for it to be sold ex-vat but many dealers may not know how to do that or be willing.

AlekSmart

positron wrote: »

Post Brexit, when importing from UK, any chance of getting a refund of the VAT etc paid in the UK? Probably not..!

I'm thinking more of the private sale,as in a non-commercial transaction for,say a 2010 Deauville ?
I wonder if the REvenue will be looking for Certificates of Conformity and associated other irrelevant codology ?

macplaxton

AlekSmart wrote: »

I'm thinking more of the private sale,as in a non-commercial transaction for,say a 2010 Deauville ?
I wonder if the REvenue will be looking for Certificates of Conformity and associated other irrelevant codology ?

A private sale wouldn't have any VAT (used vehicle), so what is there to refund?

Ratchet

would be cool if you anything registered/manufactured in UK pre-brexit would be only liable fo VRT

11wingnut

AlekSmart wrote: »

I'm thinking more of the private sale,as in a non-commercial transaction for,say a 2010 Deauville ?
I wonder if the REvenue will be looking for Certificates of Conformity and associated other irrelevant codology ?

Excellent choice brought a 2010 deauville in this year.to replace my2007 one that i previously imported . Highest mileage was 13k .. Join Deauville meets Deauville

galwaytt

AlekSmart wrote: »

I'm thinking more of the private sale,as in a non-commercial transaction for,say a 2010 Deauville ?
I wonder if the REvenue will be looking for Certificates of Conformity and associated other irrelevant codology ?

macplaxton wrote: »

A private sale wouldn't have any VAT (used vehicle), so what is there to refund?

You won't get a refund, true, but you will be hit up by Revenue for 23% of the invoice price of what you paid for the bike: privately or not.

And yes, you will need CoC's to register it in the (now) EU.

AlekSmart

galwaytt wrote: »

You won't get a refund, true, but you will be hit up by Revenue for 23% of the invoice price of what you paid for the bike: privately or not.

And yes, you will need CoC's to register it in the (now) EU.

I wouldnt be seeking refunds of anything,but your take on the VAT is worrying,as that 23% would tend to make the deal non-viable.

galwaytt

AlekSmart wrote: »

I wouldnt be seeking refunds of anything,but your take on the VAT is worrying,as that 23% would tend to make the deal non-viable.

It will be non-viable, thats a near certainty

Until, that is, we get used to the fact that 'stuff is going to cost more, post Brexit, period.

I talked to a HGV importer today: he expects them (UK imports) to double in price.

zubair

I wouldn't write it off as an option yet, for the short term after brexit at least, the GBP is expected to drop in value after brexit so you might find it works out the same or possibly even better value.

Del2005

zubair wrote: »

I wouldn't write it off as an option yet, for the short term after brexit at least, the GBP is expected to drop in value after brexit so you might find it works out the same or possibly even better value.

If Sterling loses a quarter of its value then everyone will be fecked.

enrique66_35

VAT is temporarily at 21% until end of Feb 2021 and could be extended beyond that if the economy needs it - but 23% or 21% its still gonna be a bad deal unless sterling plummets which I agree with Del, is overall not good for us with the proximity of NI despite the attractive exchange rates in the short term.

lalababa

Anybody know the story now , with the new brexit deal?
Example: before brexit...a 3000 pound older bike with a VRT of 150euro.
After brexit...?
And private sale v. dealer?

Del2005

lalababa wrote: »

Anybody know the story now , with the new brexit deal?
Example: before brexit...a 3000 pound older bike with a VRT of 150euro.
After brexit...?
And private sale v. dealer?

VRT is the same, VAT will be added to the cost of purchase and ferry/transport cost. I think you could get it VAT free from a dealer, as it is being exported, but someone else will have to confirm as the UK government can decide not to allow VAT free exports.


NI stays the same. But buy soon as they will run out of stock, as they will have to pay more to import from Britain

MotoTourist

I import motorcycles from UK.
As far as I understand it, this current Brexit deal will mean no change to motorcycle VRT.

VAT will have been paid within Europe on vehicles registered in 2020 or before, so even in a no deal I reckoned the VAT wouldn't have applied on older vehicles and excise duty could have been applied by Revenue but would most likely not have been. Wishful thinking? Maybe.

Extra costs are now likely to come through the courier who will spend 3 hours on both sides of the water in a queue /doing paperwork.

Whatever the deal means, vehicles presented at VRT appointments in January 2021 will be considered pre-Brexit as long as there is proof the vehicle came in before 1st Jan. Rates for VRT on cars might change in 2021 due to co2 and nox values but for bikes based on cc there shouldn't be a change. The zero rate for electric bikes should extend to the end of 2021 still.

I have four appointments in Nenagh in January. I'll ask some questions and try to get clarity and feed back here.

Del2005

MotoTourist wrote: »

I import motorcycles from UK.
As far as I understand it, this current Brexit deal will mean no change to motorcycle VRT.

VAT will have been paid within Europe on vehicles registered in 2020 or before, so even in a no deal I reckoned the VAT wouldn't have applied on older vehicles and excise duty could have been applied by Revenue but would most likely not have been. Wishful thinking? Maybe.

Extra costs are now likely to come through the courier who will spend 3 hours on both sides of the water in a queue /doing paperwork.

Whatever the deal means, vehicles presented at VRT appointments in January 2021 will be considered pre-Brexit as long as there is proof the vehicle came in before 1st Jan. Rates for VRT on cars might change in 2021 due to co2 and nox values but for bikes based on cc there shouldn't be a change. The zero rate for electric bikes should extend to the end of 2021 still.

I have four appointments in Nenagh in January. I'll ask some questions and try to get clarity and feed back here.

Are you sure about the VAT? Britain is a 3rd country now so imports are subject to VAT. The fact that it was bought before the UK left is irrelevant as it is not in the EU now and the VAT exemption is between EU countries not 3rd countries and EU

Edit..

Looks like VAT will be due on British imports from January

https://www.revenue.ie/en/customs-traders-and-agents/brexit/brexit-for-individuals/importing-a-vehicle-from-great-britain-gb-or-northern-ireland.aspx#:~:text=VAT is generally charged at,the date they first arrive

Duke Dan

The Revenue link also states VAT on new vehicles only!

DD

Mjolnir

MotoTourist wrote: »

I import motorcycles from UK.
As far as I understand it, this current Brexit deal will mean no change to motorcycle VRT.

VAT will have been paid within Europe on vehicles registered in 2020 or before, so even in a no deal I reckoned the VAT wouldn't have applied on older vehicles and excise duty could have been applied by Revenue but would most likely not have been. Wishful thinking? Maybe.

Extra costs are now likely to come through the courier who will spend 3 hours on both sides of the water in a queue /doing paperwork.

Whatever the deal means, vehicles presented at VRT appointments in January 2021 will be considered pre-Brexit as long as there is proof the vehicle came in before 1st Jan. Rates for VRT on cars might change in 2021 due to co2 and nox values but for bikes based on cc there shouldn't be a change. The zero rate for electric bikes should extend to the end of 2021 still.

I have four appointments in Nenagh in January. I'll ask some questions and try to get clarity and feed back here.

Incredibly wishful thinking I would assume, vat is paid on vechicles imported from all non eu countries which England is now grouped in. Can't see it being any different.

Duke Dan

VAT due on sales of second-hand motor vehicles

In the case of Irish-registered second-hand vehicles, VAT is due on the difference
between the sale price and the purchaser price of the vehicle. Under no
circumstances can any portion of the price, e.g. the VRT element, be separated from
the rest of the sale price when calculating the VAT liability.
Where an authorised dealer brings a second-hand vehicle into the State that has
been registered in another country, he/she is not obliged to register the vehicle in
Ireland until it is being sold.

At that stage, the dealer is obliged to ensure that the vehicle is registered in Ireland
in the name of the purchaser (or the nominated person, where the purchaser is a
company) before the vehicle is released to the purchaser.
In this situation Revenue generally accepts that the portion of the sale price that
represents the VRT liability is paid by the dealer in the name and on the account of
the purchaser, i.e. the customer pays the VRT, and the dealer simply administers the
payment from the money handed to him or her.
Accordingly, the VAT liability on the sale by an authorised motor dealer of a secondhand vehicle, brought into the State from another country, is generally calculated on
the VRT-exclusive amount received from the customer. (This also applies in the case
of a new vehicle sold by an authorised dealer prior to being registered in Ireland.)
In the case of the sale of a second-hand vehicle by any person other than an
authorised dealer, a VAT liability arises on the full VRT-inclusive amount received,
and no adjustment is allowed.

Del2005

Duke Dan wrote: »

The Revenue link also states VAT on new vehicles only!

DD

If imported from Northern Ireland.

If imported from Britain it says VRT, duty and VAT. The trade deal means no duty but VRT and VAT will be due.

lalababa

Just to clarify what is vat paid on?And what %?
E.g. A 2010 500cc bike that cost 3000 pounds in the UK, with a book value of 3500 pounds.
Is it 21% so 630 pounds?

macplaxton

Dohvolle wrote: »

Converted to Euro,

At the Revenue's exchange rate

https://www.revenue.ie/en/customs-traders-and-agents/importing-and-exporting/exchange-rates/index.aspx

rowanh

So if you win a bike in a UK raffle is the price of the bike the cost of the raffle ticket?

Mjolnir

rowanh wrote: »

So if you win a bike in a UK raffle is the price of the bike the cost of the raffle ticket?

Strictly speaking yes, you could ask the company for a receipt validating that the purchase price was say £10 raffle ticket. Be interesting to see how that would go down though.

Mjolnir

Dohvolle wrote: »

If you win a bike(or car) in any raffle, you do not win a new bike. Otherwise the competition organiser would need to be a registered motor dealer. You will always be the 2nd owner, the raffle organiser the 1st owner.

Actually that depends i know of a couple raffles (granted for charity) where a deal was done with the bike shop for a brand new bike that the winner was the first registered owner of. Yes that would be a bloody pain to explain in the vrt.

Del2005

Mjolnir wrote: »

Actually that depends i know of a couple raffles (granted for charity) where a deal was done with the bike shop for a brand new bike that the winner was the first registered owner of. Yes that would be a bloody pain to explain in the vrt.

Bike VRT is done on cc with a sliding scale for age, so how much you paid is irreverent. VAT would be interesting

galwaytt

MotoTourist wrote: »

I import motorcycles from UK.
As far as I understand it, this current Brexit deal will mean no change to motorcycle VRT.

VAT will have been paid within Europe on vehicles registered in 2020 or before, so even in a no deal I reckoned the VAT wouldn't have applied on older vehicles and excise duty could have been applied by Revenue but would most likely not have been. Wishful thinking? Maybe.

Extra costs are now likely to come through the courier who will spend 3 hours on both sides of the water in a queue /doing paperwork.

Whatever the deal means, vehicles presented at VRT appointments in January 2021 will be considered pre-Brexit as long as there is proof the vehicle came in before 1st Jan. Rates for VRT on cars might change in 2021 due to co2 and nox values but for bikes based on cc there shouldn't be a change. The zero rate for electric bikes should extend to the end of 2021 still.

I have four appointments in Nenagh in January. I'll ask some questions and try to get clarity and feed back here.

Well I enquired specifically of Revenue, and they wrote to me an confirmed post Jan 1st all vehicles presented will be on the new regime - including those in the country before Jan 1st, but not inspected.

I appreciate that even in Revenue sometimes there is conflicting information or the left hand not knowing what the right does, but I certainly wouldn't risk it.

As for VAT, yes, you are going to be paying VAT on the invoice + freight to get it here.

goblin59

brought a bike in from the UK to Ireland yesterday, no additional tariffs, but the bike was a 1996 NI Reg.
100 euro in all for the 644cc Suzuki

CJhaughey

goblin59 wrote: »

brought a bike in from the UK to Ireland yesterday, no additional tariffs, but the bike was a 1996 NI Reg.
100 euro in all for the 644cc Suzuki

NI is exempt, they are counted as being in the single market.

Hillybilly4

My partner went to the UK by ferry before Xmas and WAS booked to return by ferry 29th Dec. Has a van full of bikes (I think there are only 2 road registered bikes amongst them) all purchased in December 2020 with sales receipts. When the travel ban came in, we decided he should stay on (family there anyway). Now of course he needs to get a neg covid test before he can, with any certainty, re-book his return crossing. Irish Ferries have credited him the return fare so there is a "paper trail" of the whole fiasco.
Have no idea what's going to happen at the ports now. We have an EORI number but no idea what paperwork we need to sort or how much this is going to cost...
:rolleyes:

rowanh

What is involved in reregistering a uk bike with a NI reg

Mjolnir

Del2005 wrote: »

Bike VRT is done on cc with a sliding scale for age, so how much you paid is irreverent. VAT would be interesting

I'm fully aware of how you vrt a bike I've done it.
I was referring to vat where how much you paid is very relevant and you'll be dealing with the vrt office for that.

galwaytt

Mjolnir wrote: »

I'm fully aware of how you vrt a bike I've done it.
I was referring to vat where how much you paid is very relevant and you'll be dealing with the vrt office for that.

No, you have to pay (any) Customs applicable, and VAT to Revenue, at the port, at time of entry.

And the Lord look down on you if you don't get the VIN number on the Customs paperwork as otherwise Applus/Revenue can't/won't allow you to VRT it.