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Cooker Switch with integrated socket - need RCD?

  • 08-12-2020 11:09pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,150 ✭✭✭


    Would a Cooker switch supplying an induction hob (13A rated) with an integrated socket require the circuit to be protected by an RCBO/RCD?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,190 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Not an electrician but I thought Cooker switches with sockets were outlawed in Ireland 20 or 30 years ago


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭Tuco88


    I would say definitely yes. I haven't see those for years and I didn't think they were still being installed, other lads on here might have more say on them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,150 ✭✭✭The Ayatolla


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Not an electrician but I thought Cooker switches with sockets were outlawed in Ireland 20 or 30 years ago

    I doubt it?

    https://www.screwfix.ie/p/british-general-900-series-45a-2-gang-dp-cooker-switch-13a-dp-switched-socket-white/56392


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,952 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    screwfix might sell them but we have not had them in Ireland for years now. unless something has changed in the recent regs, and I don't think it has.

    There are some slight differences with the UK regs and the Irish regs.

    The use of single sockets with the assumption that there will be a plug top with a 13amp fuse is along these lines.

    Small differences, but typically here the cooker switch would be fed from a 30amp MCB and 6.sq.mm cable, the socket circuit via a 20 amp MCB/RCD , RCBO type arrangement and 2.5.sq.mm cable


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,190 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    I doubt it?


    Screwfix.ie, B&Q etc are UK stores. They import directly from the UK. Now I could be wrong about these cooker switches but just because they sell them doesn't mean they meet our wiring regulations


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭Pasteur.


    Sockets for general use require RCD

    Not sure if there's a specific regulation outlawing them but they haven't been around for years here.

    Probably still in use in the UK?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Pasteur. wrote: »
    Sockets for general use require RCD

    Not sure if there's a specific regulation outlawing them but they haven't been around for years here.

    Probably still in use in the UK?
    Still used (occasionally), but have to be RCD protected as with any socket-outlets.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭Pasteur.


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    Still used (occasionally), but have to be RCD protected as with any socket-outlets.

    Doesn't seem to be a rule outlawing them if they are RCD protected and meet the lower height for sockets


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Pasteur. wrote: »
    Doesn't seem to be a rule outlawing them if they are RCD protected and meet the lower height for sockets
    Nobody does use them in the south though. I think this was out of a belief that they were banned, presumably the thinking being that a cooker isn't generally RCD protected. That said, there's nothing to prevent you from protecting a cooker with an RCD.

    In fact in the north new installations tend to RCD protect cookers, as there is a requirement for all buried cables not in Earthed metallic conduit etc. to be RCD protected there.

    Personally speaking I wouldn't fit one in the south as it would lead to accusations of it being "wrong" even if someone couldn't back it up with the Rules.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭Pasteur.


    That was my reasoning , the new rules which will likely see all final circuits RCD protected here

    There are 1 or 2 rules around heavy loads having dedicated circuits , not sure if any applies to cooking loads or if that would rule out a socket outlet


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Chuck Noland


    So if you had to fit one down south and we’re going to put it on a RCBO would it be a 20 or 32 amp?

    I think I would just avoid full stop


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    So if you had to fit one down south and we’re going to put it on a RCBO would it be a 20 or 32 amp?

    I think I would just avoid full stop
    There's no issue with socket-outlets being protected by a 32A protective device. After all that's what happens with a ring final circuit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,150 ✭✭✭The Ayatolla


    Yanno what, I'll just avoid it and go with a 1-gang cooker switch and try squeeze a double socket near it.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,641 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Yanno what, I'll just avoid it and go with a 1-gang cooker switch and try squeeze a double socket near it.

    That is what I would do.


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