Looking for a nice new car with room for kids

The_B_Man

So I've a bit of money in the bank there and was looking at a few cars.
I can get a brand new Superb or Passat, or maybe a 3 year old Merc/Jag XF or something.

The Superb is about 42k new so i'd be looking to finance that and pay 350 a month, ideally. I live beside a Skoda garage so I was looking at this on their site and pricing it up. I'd put down a good deposit but wouldn't even have to as they do 0% finance, but I'd put down whatever needed to get the payments down to 350 a month. I think on PCP its about 8k and on HP its about 20k.

Or on the other cars, i could pay 20-25k deposit. I saw a 2017 E class for 30k which i could push for. Maybe a large deposit and small finance.
There's a 2016 190PS A6 for 22k that I could afford as well.

I was also looking at a 520d in a garage in Dublin but it was an import and would need VRT. It was a top spec and had a choice of 2 perfumes to spray into the cabin! Madness! So in this case, if I was to buy that, would it be best to get it before Brexit, or wait til Jan and see if the garage drops the price to shift it with the higher VRT etc?

So really what i'm looking for is space for 2 car seats and a buggy. We're probably talking 500 litre boot, and something with little road noise. I also don't want sport suspension as there's a few speed bumps around here and my fathers car has the hard suspension and it'd cripple your spine at any speed! I don't want to be waking a sleeping baby any time I go near a bump in the road. Adaptive suspension is a bonus.

I'm open to suggestions, and would rather not go with a Qashqai!

Cheers.

beggars_bush

you are on the right track with an estate.

why go new?
plenty of good 2018 estate cars available

flytherain

i was in similar position, had a test drive with 2018 E220D and 2018 superb (E220d asking price is 28k and superb is about 20k)

https://www.billgriffinmotors.ie/vehicle?id=z0lB

i think Superb is the best one to go with. i am so tempting of putting deposit down for brand new superb, but brand new petrol version of superb takes about 12 weeks to be delivered, and also the ambition model is about 35K. and not sure if better promotion is on de way for 2021.

The_B_Man

TBH I could wait the 12 weeks if it was worth it. Considering I do around 10000 km per annum, the petrol makes the more sense.

I know people who went into the garages and bought the "display models". They apprently got a good price on them, so that might be an option as well. There's a new Octavia for 2021 but I don't think there's a new Superb for 2021 so it'd be the same model, if there was a display model.

But as I said, with the Superb, I saw one review saying it was noisy and the tech was recycled from the Passat, so that put me off it. I figured the obvious choice was a Passat, until I start pricing other cars.

For example:
2017 Merc E Class E350 AMG plug in hybrid
https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/mercedes-benz/e-class/fpa/202007101105306

Something like that just seems way more luxurious than a Skoda tbh.

colm_mcm

Tech recycled from the Passat is a moot point. Both the Passat and the Superb were launched at the same time, and the tech is common to pretty much every VW Group car.
Seat/VW/Skoda are on a level playing field when it comes to tech.

flytherain

The_B_Man wrote: »

TBH I could wait the 12 weeks if it was worth it. Considering I do around 10000 km per annum, the petrol makes the more sense.

I know people who went into the garages and bought the "display models". They apprently got a good price on them, so that might be an option as well. There's a new Octavia for 2021 but I don't think there's a new Superb for 2021 so it'd be the same model, if there was a display model.

But as I said, with the Superb, I saw one review saying it was noisy and the tech was recycled from the Passat, so that put me off it. I figured the obvious choice was a Passat, until I start pricing other cars.

For example:
2017 Merc E Class E350 AMG plug in hybrid
https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/mercedes-benz/e-class/fpa/202007101105306

Something like that just seems way more luxurious than a Skoda tbh.

petrol version is good choice for less than 10k a yr, Was in garage last week, and have been told there is no petrol version available, it has to be fresh order from manufactory.


i have also tried new Octavia, 1L Tsi is very powerful, 115 hp. and the Dimension of new Octavia is quite similar to superb, but it makes feel so crowd inside.

Passat is very good car, but the size of boot is not quite big as superb, and also personally i would rather go with superb over Passat after test drive of both of them.

Now that car will be 4 years old in 23 days time.

The_B_Man

So I'm onto the garage today. Only getting around to it now.
Annoyingly, the 0% APR finished today so its 2.9% on the Superb.
Unless I go with a car in stock, which will have to be diesel.

The Petrol will be March/April. The Diesel I can get straight away.

I'm still leaning towards the petrol though, as my mileage is less than 10,000km per annum.

Is there anything I should ask the dealer, or any extras that are "must haves" on the petrol?

Also, given that the last Superb facelift was 2017, and the new "iV" is out the end of the year, should I go 2nd hand and trade up next year?


Cheers.

nsnoefc1878

The_B_Man wrote: »

TBH I could wait the 12 weeks if it was worth it. Considering I do around 10000 km per annum, the petrol makes the more sense.

I know people who went into the garages and bought the "display models". They apprently got a good price on them, so that might be an option as well. There's a new Octavia for 2021 but I don't think there's a new Superb for 2021 so it'd be the same model, if there was a display model.

But as I said, with the Superb, I saw one review saying it was noisy and the tech was recycled from the Passat, so that put me off it. I figured the obvious choice was a Passat, until I start pricing other cars.

For example:
2017 Merc E Class E350 AMG plug in hybrid
https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/mercedes-benz/e-class/fpa/202007101105306

Something like that just seems way more luxurious than a Skoda tbh.

Merc hybrids do not have a great reputation for reliability.

colm_mcm

Maybe look at a new model Octavia with a bit of spec.

The_B_Man

Well I was looking at various options, such as the manual petrol vs DSG (both 1.5litre 150BHP) and the auto is 3k extra, but the manual seems slightly quicker according to the stats (9secs 0/-60 compared with 9.2 seconds for the auto, 221km max speed vs 220km max on the auto).

Minor differences but then why is the auto 3k more? Fuel consumption shows manual as 6.3l/100km, where the auto is 6.5l/100km so the 3k must be for that slight difference in MPG. Is there something else I'm missing here? Are the gearboxes dodgy or is it just that the DSGs are more in demand, and they charge more?

colm_mcm

I don’t know that it adds any actual value, but the DSG is mild hybrid presumably to get the emissions down to the same level as the manual.

The DSG box is a serious bit of kit, so in contrast to some options like slightly different seats or wheels, and their price, it’s not bad at €3k.

AMKC

Is the new Seat Leon out yet? That could be worth a look OP if you are looking at estates. Nice car.

https://youtu.be/HiIl4HfwYqo

Odyssey 2005

nsnoefc1878 wrote: »

Merc hybrids do not have a great reputation for reliability.

Explain please

AMKC

https://www.seat.ie/new-cars/leon-sportstourer/ehybrid.html

flytherain

The_B_Man wrote: »

So I'm onto the garage today. Only getting around to it now.
Annoyingly, the 0% APR finished today so its 2.9% on the Superb.
Unless I go with a car in stock, which will have to be diesel.

The Petrol will be March/April. The Diesel I can get straight away.

I'm still leaning towards the petrol though, as my mileage is less than 10,000km per annum.

Is there anything I should ask the dealer, or any extras that are "must haves" on the petrol?

Also, given that the last Superb facelift was 2017, and the new "iV" is out the end of the year, should I go 2nd hand and trade up next year?


Cheers.

it takes 12 weeks to get petrol version.

0% will be ended by 28th Feb 2021.

rear camera is one of must have feature, that needs to be added in.

if you get that now. i think you get that 2% off from VAT.

Normally there are some promotions in March for ordering the 2nd half year registered car.

you can just order that, it takes more than 12 weeks to get that anyway. so you are still available for any better offers before you have your new car collected.

flytherain

colm_mcm wrote: »

I don’t know that it adds any actual value, but the DSG is mild hybrid presumably to get the emissions down to the same level as the manual.

The DSG box is a serious bit of kit, so in contrast to some options like slightly different seats or wheels, and their price, it’s not bad at €3k.

Dealer told me that DGS model cost more for petrol and road tax.

The_B_Man

colm_mcm wrote: »

I don’t know that it adds any actual value, but the DSG is mild hybrid presumably to get the emissions down to the same level as the manual.

The DSG box is a serious bit of kit, so in contrast to some options like slightly different seats or wheels, and their price, it’s not bad at €3k.

No mention of the mild hybrid. They're both petrol, same power etc, only difference is the .2 better MPG with DSG.
Would the DSG be one of the "must haves" in terms of options?

AMKC wrote: »

Is the new Seat Leon out yet? That could be worth a look OP if you are looking at estates. Nice car.

https://youtu.be/HiIl4HfwYqo

Ye I like the Seat Leon estate. I know someone with a sporty looking model, but I feel its a class below the Superb.

BTW, I just noticed that if I configure the car on their online configurator, its cheaper than what the salesman quoted me. I'll have to go back and start haggling. Or else just order the thing from the configurator...

colm_mcm

flytherain wrote: »

Dealer told me that DGS model cost more for petrol and road tax.

The petrol DSG models have lower emissions than the manuals.

youcancallmeal

The_B_Man wrote: »

So I'm onto the garage today. Only getting around to it now.
Annoyingly, the 0% APR finished today so its 2.9% on the Superb.
Unless I go with a car in stock, which will have to be diesel.

The Petrol will be March/April. The Diesel I can get straight away.

I'm still leaning towards the petrol though, as my mileage is less than 10,000km per annum.

Is there anything I should ask the dealer, or any extras that are "must haves" on the petrol?

Also, given that the last Superb facelift was 2017, and the new "iV" is out the end of the year, should I go 2nd hand and trade up next year?


Cheers.

I have mid level spec petrol Superb(Not estate) for 3 years now and very happy with it. Paid the balloon at the end of the pcp. Extras we got were KESSY(Keyless entry) and tinted windows(Helps with kids in the back during summer). If I were to buy again I'd go for the front sensors as well, parking can be tricky due to the length of the car. No need for a rear camera imo, sensors alone is enough. Maybe also electric boot but that's more of a nice to have rather than a necessity.

flytherain

youcancallmeal wrote: »

I have mid level spec petrol Superb(Not estate) for 3 years now and very happy with it. Paid the balloon at the end of the pcp. Extras we got were KESSY(Keyless entry) and tinted windows(Helps with kids in the back during summer). If I were to buy again I'd go for the front sensors as well, parking can be tricky due to the length of the car. No need for a rear camera imo, sensors alone is enough. Maybe also electric boot but that's more of a nice to have rather than a necessity.

what do you think about that KESSY ? should that be considered as must have? it looks great feature on tube.

Odyssey 2005

flytherain wrote: »

what do you think about that KESSY ? should that be considered as must have? it looks great feature on tube.

Had it on a '14 L&K superb. Personally I thought it was a pain in the (0). Don't believe what they say about not being able to lock the key in the boot...you can.

youcancallmeal

flytherain wrote: »

what do you think about that KESSY ? should that be considered as must have? it looks great feature on tube.

Not a must have really but it's subjective I guess. I'd find it tough going back to a car without it now, it's so handy, get in the car push the button and go. Swipe the door handle before you walk away and it's locked up. I also have a security pouch in the hallway to store the keys which blocks the signal, key hacking/relay thefts were common in my area a while ago.

youcancallmeal

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Had it on a '14 L&K superb. Personally I thought it was a pain in the (0). Don't believe what they say about not being able to lock the key in the boot...you can.

Several times I forgot my key in a bag I put in the boot and didn't get locked out. The car knows when the key is in the car so the boot doesn't lock. Maybe older versions from 2014 had this problem?

deandean

Check out a 2018 or 2019 Volvo V90.

PadraigBr

Yes, an estate is good to go and it might available in good condition of just 1 or 2 years back model as rather go for a new one, also best to check out if Seat Leon suits you a nice car to have, also check the selected features list such as a rear camera which is one of the must have and necessary feature to have in your car to best solve the purpose you are after, not easy to select the car as it needs good information and opinions always help to make a decision, even I am getting to know about a lot of stuff I am not aware of, it’s really great to share the knowledge and experience.

The_B_Man

Strangely enough, I found this Superb iV for sale. I was told they're not available until late 2021.
https://www.annesleywilliams.ie/car-details/?2687366/

Looks good with the hybrid and 218 BHP. Although at that price, you're into Tiguan R-Line territory, which is what the missus wants.
Looks like they're APR in 4.2%, whereas the other Skoda garage was 2.9%. Tiguan is 0%. I've giving meself more questions here...

flytherain

The_B_Man wrote: »

Strangely enough, I found this Superb iV for sale. I was told they're not available until late 2021.
https://www.annesleywilliams.ie/car-details/?2687366/

Looks good with the hybrid and 218 BHP. Although at that price, you're into Tiguan R-Line territory, which is what the missus wants.
Looks like they're APR in 4.2%, whereas the other Skoda garage was 2.9%. Tiguan is 0%. I've giving meself more questions here...

my neighbour got one last year

Stallingrad

Nearly €50K for a Superb is madness. I'd be looking for a nearly new one with some of the depreciation out of the way. Don't get hung up on the estate V hatch either, the hatch is huge and will swallow pretty much anything. Hold out for petrol as well, it's is a super engine. Both the 1.4 and later 1.5 suit the car really well.

DSG v Manual. Is your driving city based or open road/motorway, if the latter just get a manual.

We have two in the family and they are brilliant cars, both bought at 1 year old costing around €18k cleared from the UK. A bargain at that price, at €48k you would want your head examined.

By way of example:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202101047623971?fuel-type=Petrol&radius=1500&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&make=SKODA&sort=price-asc&postcode=w37tz&model=SUPERB&include-delivery-option=on&advertising-location=at_cars&price-to=15000&price-from=14000&page=1

flytherain

Stallingrad wrote: »

Nearly €50K for a Superb is madness. I'd be looking for a nearly new one with some of the depreciation out of the way. Don't get hung up on the estate V hatch either, the hatch is huge and will swallow pretty much anything. Hold out for petrol as well, it's is a super engine. Both the 1.4 and later 1.5 suit the car really well.

DSG v Manual. Is your driving city based or open road/motorway, if the latter just get a manual.

We have two in the family and they are brilliant cars, both bought at 1 year old costing around €18k cleared from the UK. A bargain at that price, at €48k you would want your head examined.

By way of example:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202101047623971?fuel-type=Petrol&radius=1500&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&make=SKODA&sort=price-asc&postcode=w37tz&model=SUPERB&include-delivery-option=on&advertising-location=at_cars&price-to=15000&price-from=14000&page=1

18k for one year old superb ? this is bargain. the brand new cost double this price

The_B_Man

Mostly city/suburbs driving, with the odd monthly trip down to the in-laws about 100km away. Work commute is 20 mins down the M50 in good traffic. I'm not bothered about DSG v Manual. I'd pick whichever is known to be most reliable. If I go with PCP and trade in after 3 years, it doesn't matter I suppose.

But actually, the dealer is closed due to covid so I can't even test drive the car, and I've never driven one before. I'm going based on online reviews for what I need (smooth, quiet, room for cars seats + buggy). The neighbours boyfriend has one, I might ask for a go!

Odyssey 2005

Stallingrad wrote: »

Nearly €50K for a Superb is madness. I'd be looking for a nearly new one with some of the depreciation out of the way. Don't get hung up on the estate V hatch either, the hatch is huge and will swallow pretty much anything. Hold out for petrol as well, it's is a super engine. Both the 1.4 and later 1.5 suit the car really well.

DSG v Manual. Is your driving city based or open road/motorway, if the latter just get a manual.

We have two in the family and they are brilliant cars, both bought at 1 year old costing around €18k cleared from the UK. A bargain at that price, at €48k you would want your head examined.

By way of example:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202101047623971?fuel-type=Petrol&radius=1500&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&make=SKODA&sort=price-asc&postcode=w37tz&model=SUPERB&include-delivery-option=on&advertising-location=at_cars&price-to=15000&price-from=14000&page=1

I can't believe the increase in price of the superb. I bought a brand new L&K in 2014. 2.0 d 170 bhp with DSG for 36,900 I thought that was expensive. Same car now is €50k +

Stallingrad

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

I can't believe the increase in price of the superb. I bought a brand new L&K in 2014. 2.0 d 170 bhp with DSG for 36,900 I thought that was expensive. Same car now is €50k +

Second hand makes sense, new does not if you're nudging 5 series money.