Electric fires

laoise6

I'm wondering if someone can help me, I'm looking to buy a property and it has an electric fire in the plans. I've just been told the regs have changed and I can't have the fire at all - but they have another site 20 mins drive away that all have the fires installed.. Are these new regs for 2021 does anyone know?

Thanks.

sydthebeat

laoise6 wrote: »

I'm wondering if someone can help me, I'm looking to buy a property and it has an electric fire in the plans. I've just been told the regs have changed and I can't have the fire at all - but they have another site 20 mins drive away that all have the fires installed.. Are these new regs for 2021 does anyone know?

Thanks.

what do you mean by "electric fire" ?
something like this?
https://www.aosom.ie/item/homcom-led-curved-glass-electric-wall-mounted-fire-place-900-1800w~02-0358.html

does the fire place have a chimney? or is it all just totally false ie fireplace etc

laoise6

sydthebeat wrote: »

what do you mean by "electric fire" ?
something like this?
https://www.aosom.ie/item/homcom-led-curved-glass-electric-wall-mounted-fire-place-900-1800w~02-0358.html

does the fire place have a chimney? or is it all just totally false ie fireplace etc

Yes, exactly like that, no chimney, just would be built into the wall..

punisher5112

Fit a TV or monitor and put flame video on....

Gumbo

laoise6 wrote: »

Yes, exactly like that, no chimney, just would be built into the wall..

Sounds like the developer is reducing his costs.
The new regs don’t prohibit this.


Assuming it’s not the primary space heating device of course.

laoise6

Gumbo wrote: »

Sounds like the developer is reducing his costs.
The new regs don’t prohibit this.


Assuming it’s not the primary space heating device of course.

Thank you. Would it massively affect the BER rating do you know? I don’t want to push on this issue if there is a legitimate reason for them to remove it? Although they have cut loads of other costs too, so this would make sense..

Calahonda52

laoise6 wrote: »

I'm wondering if someone can help me, I'm looking to buy a property and it has an electric fire in the plans. I've just been told the regs have changed and I can't have the fire at all - but they have another site 20 mins drive away that all have the fires installed.. Are these new regs for 2021 does anyone know?

Thanks.

The Bilder is taking the pi$$, ask to see the exact regs

Gumbo

laoise6 wrote: »

Thank you. Would it massively affect the BER rating do you know? I don’t want to push on this issue if there is a legitimate reason for them to remove it? Although they have cut loads of other costs too, so this would make sense..

It’s like asking if a kettle will event the BER.
No is the simple answer. The builder is simply cost cutting.

laoise6

Thanks Guys.

sydthebeat

laoise6 wrote: »

I'm wondering if someone can help me, I'm looking to buy a property and it has an electric fire in the plans. I've just been told the regs have changed and I can't have the fire at all - but they have another site 20 mins drive away that all have the fires installed.. Are these new regs for 2021 does anyone know?

Thanks.

unfortunately the electric fire place, as a fixed direct acting electric heater WILL have a negative effect on your BER rating and your Part L compliance, so the builder may very well be correct in omitting it if compliance is borderline.

It may simply be a case of leaving it in the box until the certification is complete, and then you as the occupier, can install and plug it in.

however if it is fixed when the final BER assessment / part L compliance check takes place, the assessor / certifier has to include it unfortunately

The secondary heating system is based upon a room heater. Secondary heating system efficiencies are taken
from the HARP database, certified test data to the relevant standards or room heaters section of Table 4a.
A secondary heating system is to be specified if:
a) the main system is not sufficient in itself to heat the dwelling to the temperatures used in DEAP
or,
b) fixed secondary heaters are present (e.g. a gas fire, a chimney and hearth capable of supporting an
open fire or a solid fuel stove, storage or fixed direct acting electric heaters).

laoise6

sydthebeat wrote: »

unfortunately the electric fire place, as a fixed direct acting electric heater WILL have a negative effect on your BER rating and your Part L compliance, so the builder may very well be correct in omitting it if compliance is borderline.

It may simply be a case of leaving it in the box until the certification is complete, and then you as the occupier, can install and plug it in.

however if it is fixed when the final BER assessment / part L compliance check takes place, the assessor / certifier has to include it unfortunately

Thank you, that’s really helpful.