Old philmac water fittings

jd06

Hi all
Can the old philmac fittings of approx 10 years ago still be got I. I put new water drinkers in the shed and used the new fittings and they are rubbish. 3 out of 5 drinkers were leaking the next morning. I found the old fittings and they are brilliant ( where the insert goes up in the pipe)
Can they be got anymore

Wildsurfer

jd06 wrote: »

Hi all
Can the old philmac fittings of approx 10 years ago still be got I. I put new water drinkers in the shed and used the new fittings and they are rubbish. 3 out of 5 drinkers were leaking the next morning. I found the old fittings and they are brilliant ( where the insert goes up in the pipe)
Can they be got anymore

The new type work well as long as you fit them properly. It helps to chamfer the pipe end so it slides past the rubber O ring easily, and then tighten well with an adjustable wrench. Also you can get an insert for new fittings but they are lighter. I still see the the old fittings in older style DIY stores from time to time though. I think they fell out of favour as they reduced pipe bore, I often found in frost those joiners were the worst part as ice would keep getting the caught in them.

Gillespy

Look at Gripmax fittings. Similar to the old Philmac design.

893bet

New ones far better IMO. Very easy to use. Surprised they are leaking and suspect o ring is not in correct position.

Westernrock

Gillespy wrote: »

Look at Gripmax fittings. Similar to the old Philmac design.

I got a few grip max elbows for connecting water troughs recently, found them awful unless everything was perfectly straight they were leaking at the pipe and leaking at the threads onto the trough even though there was plenty of tape on them, took them back and got philmac ones straight away the leaks all stopped

Tonynewholland

893bet wrote: »

New ones far better IMO. Very easy to use. Surprised they are leaking and suspect o ring is not in correct position.

They are better but if the outside of the pipe is in anyway damaged they will leak. Also for the yellow droppers in the parlour they don’t work as the water gets between the layers on the yellow pipe

Cavanjack

jd06 wrote: »

Hi all
Can the old philmac fittings of approx 10 years ago still be got I. I put new water drinkers in the shed and used the new fittings and they are rubbish. 3 out of 5 drinkers were leaking the next morning. I found the old fittings and they are brilliant ( where the insert goes up in the pipe)
Can they be got anymore

I find the new ones great. Make sure you are uninformed the right fitting for pipe size. The white collar is for the Heavy duty pipe. The red is for the normal gauge pipe. Also there is a different rubber used.

blue5000

OP how old is the pipe in the shed? If it's really old it might not fit.

Wildsurfer

Tonynewholland wrote: »

They are better but if the outside of the pipe is in anyway damaged they will leak. Also for the yellow droppers in the parlour they don’t work as the water gets between the layers on the yellow pipe

Just a tip re the droppers in pit. I have changed to using a clear tubing with a mesh woven into it, it's far stronger than yellow or green hose and doesn't have those layers to bulge out. Got it in local co-op.

Tonynewholland

Wildsurfer wrote: »

Just a tip re the droppers in pit. I have changed to using a clear tubing with a mesh woven into it, it's far stronger than yellow or green hose and doesn't have those layers to bulge out. Got it in local co-op.

I’ll try them next time Are they alright with hot water

Wildsurfer

Tonynewholland wrote: »

I’ll try them next time Are they alright with hot water

Yeah they are. Also if you haven't tried them before the Anka guns for the droppers are excellent.

jd06

blue5000 wrote: »

OP how old is the pipe in the shed? If it's really old it might not fit.

It's new piping but maybe I'm now putting enough time into it. I'll keep a open mind

cjpm

jd06 wrote: »

It's new piping but maybe I'm now putting enough time into it. I'll keep a open mind

You have to use the inserts. Total disaster without them.

50HX

cjpm wrote: »

You have to use the inserts. Total disaster without them.

+1 on the insert...i assume its normal gauge hydradare

Stay away from gripmax fittings

jd06

50HX wrote: »

+1 on the insert...i assume its normal gauge hydradare

Stay away from gripmax fittings

With the normal gauge I thought you just push the pipe in and tighten. No need for inserts?

I mean push the pipe into the red fittings that's in the joint?

Wildsurfer

jd06 wrote: »

With the normal gauge I thought you just push the pipe in and tighten. No need for inserts?

I mean push the pipe into the red fittings that's in the joint?

Inserts are available for normal gauge also. They strengthen the barrel of the pipe and you can tighten, open and re tighten the fitting without the pipe end getting damaged and causing a leak

J.O. Farmer

Wildsurfer wrote: »

Inserts are available for normal gauge also. They strengthen the barrel of the pipe and you can tighten, open and re tighten the fitting without the pipe end getting damaged and causing a leak

They're more like the insert for qualpex pipe than the old philmac insert. They're red as well.

50HX

Wildsurfer wrote: »

Inserts are available for normal gauge also. They strengthen the barrel of the pipe and you can tighten, open and re tighten the fitting without the pipe end getting damaged and causing a leak

Yeah spot on

I was talking to rep one day and he said it's nearly impoosible to get peopke to use the insert
Stores don't promote them enough either imo

Once the red insert is in, the fitting is not compromised and can be reused/disconnected easily, hence the design change