owning my own beehive hut

griffincathal

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I was wondering if anyone knew how to find someone skilled in building beehive huts (Clocháns) the kind around the Dingle peninsula (proper corballing) but larger with a fire pit and capstone to release the smoke. Would I get planning permission, have and extra bit of land to grow vegetables. Any other advice would be appreciated.

If this section is wrong please advise of the right one.

Thanks.

Graham

Mod

Sorry OP, I've been educated on Clocháns and reopened your thread.

I'm not sure this is the ideal forum to get the info you're looking for. We'll see what sort of responses you get before thinking about moving it.

L1011

You won't get permission for one as a residence, not in a million years.

Yellow_Fern

griffincathal wrote: »

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I was wondering if anyone knew how to find someone skilled in building beehive huts (Clocháns) the kind around the Dingle peninsula (proper corballing) but larger with a fire pit and capstone to release the smoke. Would I get planning permission, have and extra bit of land to grow vegetables. Any other advice would be appreciated.

If this section is wrong please advise of the right one.

Thanks.

I think they would be exempt. small footprint.

The_Conductor

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

I think they would be exempt. small footprint.

They're not. Have a look at Galway City Council's website- they've granted planning for over 20 in the last 12 months alone (including quite a batch of them on the Aran Islands).

Yellow_Fern

The_Conductor wrote: »

They're not. Have a look at Galway City Council's website- they've granted planning for over 20 in the last 12 months alone (including quite a batch of them on the Aran Islands).

I have my doubts unless you means many of them in one spot, or a modern house inspired by them. If you have reference numbers that would be help. I am talking about small stone structure well below 25m2.

Gumbo

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

I think they would be exempt. small footprint.

Would you be caught by the following in relation to garden shed structures.

The structure must not be used for human habitation or keeping livestock/animals.

Yellow_Fern

Gumbo wrote: »

Would you be caught by the following in relation to garden shed structures.

fair enough. Clochans are not habitable. I guess that should be made clear to the OP. If you made it habitable then yeah I can see inevitable problems.

gozunda

griffincathal wrote: »

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I was wondering if anyone knew how to find someone skilled in building beehive huts (Clocháns) the kind around the Dingle peninsula (proper corballing) but larger with a fire pit and capstone to release the smoke. Would I get planning permission, have and extra bit of land to grow vegetables. Any other advice would be appreciated.

If this section is wrong please advise of the right one.

Thanks.

Your comment brings this to mind

The Lake Isle of Innisfree* by WB Yates.


I will arise and go now, and go to Innisfree,

And a small cabin build there, of clay and wattles made;

Nine bean-rows will I have there, a hive for the honey-bee,

And live alone in the bee-loud glade....

There are some recent examples of Beehive hut structures erected as an art instalation by Irene Beurer and Robert Mc Colgar which can be seen on the Balbriggan by-pass on the M1

I'd suggest perhaps finding a good dry stonewall expert who could advise

*Of interest - the enough the above poem was used in an effort to change the law on speculative planning permission in the 196Os ...

Gumbo

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

fair enough. Clochans are not habitable. I guess that should be made clear to the OP. If you made it habitable then yeah I can see inevitable problems.

I was more so thinking of the animals part.

Yellow_Fern

Around the Leitrim, Cavana area it was traditional to build stone and sod sweat houses. Would love one if I had the space myself but to all readers please double check planning before emulating.
http://www.irishmegaliths.org.uk/sweathouses.htm

griffincathal

L1011 wrote: »

You won't get permission for one as a residence, not in a million years.

Can you tell me why?

griffincathal

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

fair enough. Clochans are not habitable. I guess that should be made clear to the OP. If you made it habitable then yeah I can see inevitable problems.

What sort of problems?

L1011

griffincathal wrote: »

Can you tell me why?

Because it has zero ability to meet basic standards for a residence.

dennyk

griffincathal wrote: »

What sort of problems?

A small clochan erected on a residential property or on agricultural land and not used for habitation or keeping livestock might be exempt from planning, much like a garden shed or a farm tool shed of a similar size would be exempt. However, if the council got wind that you were living in the clochan when it wasn't approved for residential use, you would likely face fines, and eventually they'd most likely make you knock it down if the violations continued.

Graces7

dennyk wrote: »

A small clochan erected on a residential property or on agricultural land and not used for habitation or keeping livestock might be exempt from planning, much like a garden shed or a farm tool shed of a similar size would be exempt. However, if the council got wind that you were living in the clochan when it wasn't approved for residential use, you would likely face fines, and eventually they'd most likely make you knock it down if the violations continued.

Interesting. All kinds of possibilities here. I love the idea of sleeping in one of these.

griffincathal

L1011 wrote: »

Because it has zero ability to meet basic standards for a residence.

Well if built correctly it's water tight.

Yellow_Fern

griffincathal wrote: »

Well if built correctly it's water tight.

The regulations require much more than being water tight. But there is nothing wrong with trying to build a very high spec summer house where you might have lunch, work from home or watch films but designing one for sleeping is more legal trouble than it is worth.