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25-11-2020 1:20pm#1
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Ok so the gabapentin could be making him anxious.. or if he's already anxious it could be magnifying that. Bailey had tramadol (or whatever the pet one is called) first time he was crated and it made him EXTREMELY anxious and well it was a disaster for us - his leg was fine but we had to take shifts sitting with him etc etc and very stressful.. This time around I covered the floor in the sitting room with yoga mats and gated the door off with a baby gate - so no crate - and agreed that with the vet beforehand. I also moved my desk in so I was with him all day..and night - we basically lived in the room for weeks!:o He was SO relaxed the medicine did a great job at relaxing him more.
If he's a bit iffy about you touching it/doing the rehab honestly I'd just hold off for a few days. Are you icing/heating it? I found this time Bailey loved to have it iced and it'd really help to settle him if he needed it.
And try not to worry too much - everything will be fine
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Ok so the gabapentin could be making him anxious.. or if he's already anxious it could be magnifying that. Bailey had tramadol (or whatever the pet one is called) first time he was crated and it made him EXTREMELY anxious and well it was a disaster for us - his leg was fine but we had to take shifts sitting with him etc etc and very stressful.. This time around I covered the floor in the sitting room with yoga mats and gated the door off with a baby gate - so no crate - and agreed that with the vet beforehand. I also moved my desk in so I was with him all day..and night - we basically lived in the room for weeks!:o He was SO relaxed the medicine did a great job at relaxing him more.
If he's a bit iffy about you touching it/doing the rehab honestly I'd just hold off for a few days. Are you icing/heating it? I found this time Bailey loved to have it iced and it'd really help to settle him if he needed it.
And try not to worry too much - everything will be fine[/quote
We,er doing everything you mentioned above icing & heat packs. I'm studying remotely so I'm with him all day & night. Floors are covered as vet said he didn't need to be in the crate all the time if I was with him. We are stressed to the hilt now if I'm honest. I've put in for a call back from the vet so we,'ll see what he has to say. I'm just so worried about him as he's never been anxious he's a robust little fella part JR part corgi & now he just sleeping & trembling all the time.
Thanks so much tk123 for sharing your experience with me .0 -
Ok so the gabapentin could be making him anxious.. or if he's already anxious it could be magnifying that. Bailey had tramadol (or whatever the pet one is called) first time he was crated and it made him EXTREMELY anxious and well it was a disaster for us - his leg was fine but we had to take shifts sitting with him etc etc and very stressful.. This time around I covered the floor in the sitting room with yoga mats and gated the door off with a baby gate - so no crate - and agreed that with the vet beforehand. I also moved my desk in so I was with him all day..and night - we basically lived in the room for weeks!:o He was SO relaxed the medicine did a great job at relaxing him more.
If he's a bit iffy about you touching it/doing the rehab honestly I'd just hold off for a few days. Are you icing/heating it? I found this time Bailey loved to have it iced and it'd really help to settle him if he needed it.
And try not to worry too much - everything will be fine[/quote
We,er doing everything you mentioned above icing & heat packs. I'm studying remotely so I'm with him all day & night. Floors are covered as vet said he didn't need to be in the crate all the time if I was with him. We are stressed to the hilt now if I'm honest. I've put in for a call back from the vet so we,'ll see what he has to say. I'm just so worried about him as he's never been anxious he's a robust little fella part JR part corgi & now he just sleeping & trembling all the time.
Thanks so much tk123 for sharing your experience with me .0 -
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I wonder if he has an iliopsoas (pronounced ill-e-o-so-as lol
) strain/tear? This would account for what you're seeing now with him being unwilling/unable to put the leg down? The good news is that it's not his knee and it is fixable with rest and rehab. Bailey strained his after both surgeries and a few weeks in this time around he was suddenly lame and toe touching - I knew from experience from the other side what it was. We do a lot regular rehab at home to strengthen it and he also gets laser on one side every week as that side is chronic. I have a photizo for at home too. I'd ask your vet to check when he's in with him... In the meantime it wouldn't hurt to apply heat to the area - you can google to get a better pics but you want to lift his leg tuck the heat pack on the inside so it's between his leg and groin/tummy..so like his armpit but his back leg if that makes sense. I use wheat packs for this as they're moist heat and will form around where you want them to lie.
https://science-art.com/image/default_mar-2011.asp?id=6994&m=58&pagename=Common_injury_sites_in_sporting_dogs0 -
I wonder if he has an iliopsoas (pronounced ill-e-o-so-as lol) strain/tear? This would account for what you're seeing now with him being unwilling/unable to put the leg down? The good news is that it's not his knee and it is fixable with rest and rehab. Bailey strained his after both surgeries and a few weeks in this time around he was suddenly lame and toe touching - I knew from experience from the other side what it was. We do a lot regular rehab at home to strengthen it and he also gets laser on one side every week as that side is chronic. I have a photizo for at home too. I'd ask your vet to check when he's in with him... In the meantime it wouldn't hurt to apply heat to the area - you can google to get a better pics but you want to lift his leg tuck the heat pack on the inside so it's between his leg and groin/tummy..so like his armpit but his back leg if that makes sense. I use wheat packs for this as they're moist heat and will form around where you want them to lie.
https://science-art.com/image/default_mar-2011.asp?id=6994&m=58&pagename=Common_injury_sites_in_sporting_dogs
Thank you tk123
I really am starting to worry now if I'm honest,
when at the vets last week he say if this continues he may have to go back into the leg again as there's no reason why he shouldn't be walking on it. My son thinks the bad leg looks slightly shorter than the other leg but I think he's walking over on the good side to compensate & has shifted his weight. I'm not sure I could put him though that pain again it was so brutal for him plus he has epilespy so there is a high chance of fitting. He's due back to the vet on 14th Dec. He's still on all the medication but I actually i think he doesn't need as much I'm the one that's with him 24/7 So I see when he's in pain & when he's not. It's very distressing at this stage.
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Ah try not to worry too much! That’s great news that the knee is ok. Don’t mind what other dogs are doing and where they are in their recovery - just let him go at his own pace. He could be the opposite using it too much and giving you heart attacks! Bailey tried to stand with his two paws up on the counter at the vets to get treats a few days in.. he also infiltrated my barricades (ie everything I could pick up and and put on the couches) and got up on the couch too - he waited until my morning call to do it and I shouted sh1t into my headset lol 0
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Ah try not to worry too much! That’s great news that the knee is ok. Don’t mind what other dogs are doing and where they are in their recovery - just let him go at his own pace. He could be the opposite using it too much and giving you heart attacks! Bailey tried to stand with his two paws up on the counter at the vets to get treats a few days in.. he also infiltrated my barricades (ie everything I could pick up and and put on the couches) and got up on the couch too - he waited until my morning call to do it and I shouted sh1t into my headset lol
Your Bailey sounds like trouble lol. I'm just going to go with it now & see what happens over the next few weeks we are all exhausted at home & need a good rest. I'm way behind on my course work & have 3 assignments to get in before Christmas break & somehow I don't think " my dog had an operation " excuse will cut it
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Ah god, you poor thing They'd worry you so much when things aren't right.
Did the vet breach the subject of doing any bit of gentle physiotherapy with your dog? Such as you gently moving his injured leg while he's lying down?
It might be that they wanted to wait for it to heal a bit, but just curious as to whether it's on the cards.
It might not do any harm to consider using any one or a combo of some of the anxiety-reducing products, such as a Thundershirt/calming wrap/calming jacket, an Adaptil Diffuser/spray/collar, or protein-based food supplements such as VetPro or Yucalm. They may just help him feel a little more settled in himself.0 -
Ah god, you poor thing They'd worry you so much when things aren't right.
Did the vet breach the subject of doing any bit of gentle physiotherapy with your dog? Such as you gently moving his injured leg while he's lying down?
It might be that they wanted to wait for it to heal a bit, but just curious as to whether it's on the cards.
It might not do any harm to consider using any one or a combo of some of the anxiety-reducing products, such as a Thundershirt/calming wrap/calming jacket, an Adaptil Diffuser/spray/collar, or protein-based food supplements such as VetPro or Yucalm. They may just help him feel a little more settled in himself.
Hi DBB
Thanks for your reply.
He will let me do the physio plan the vet gave me when he's lying on his side, I put heat packs on first to warm up the leg & I start it 30 mins after pain relief the knee is easy to manipulate & he lets me for about 5 mins but that's it. The anxiousness has calmed right down thank God as he was in such a state. He's on antibiotics now for a week so we'll see how goes. I've made a note of all the suggestions you lovely helpful people have given me. I've come to the conclusion that having a dog is more stressful than having kids!! We are a household of 3 fair intelligent & sensible adults and we are all distraught over a tiny quirky crazy dog who dominates our lives!
Look thank you all so much I'm eternally grateful for all your help suggestions & shared experiences.0 -
I was thinking of your little dog this morning OP when I was doing Bailey’s hill climbing phyiso in the park! I think I’d have run out of patience and would be trying some tricks to see if he puts the leg down when he’s not really thinking about it. I’d try having him stand with his front feet on something - a cushion, a book etc - it doesn’t need to be very tall.. and then stand in front of him and encourage him to reach forward for the treat... or stand behind him and move the treat around to his side - this should make him follow the treat and want to shift his weight and possibly put the leg down for balance. You work on the opposite side - so eg if you want him to shift onto his rear left you’d move the treat to his right. Even something as simple as asking him to give his paw with something very tasty and alternating which paw his gives - again giving the right paw will shift his weight to back left. 0
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I was thinking of your little dog this morning OP when I was doing Bailey’s hill climbing phyiso in the park! I think I’d have run out of patience and would be trying some tricks to see if he puts the leg down when he’s not really thinking about it. I’d try having him stand with his front feet on something - a cushion, a book etc - it doesn’t need to be very tall.. and then stand in front of him and encourage him to reach forward for the treat... or stand behind him and move the treat around to his side - this should make him follow the treat and want to shift his weight and possibly put the leg down for balance. You work on the opposite side - so eg if you want him to shift onto his rear left you’d move the treat to his right. Even something as simple as asking him to give his paw with something very tasty and alternating which paw his gives - again giving the right paw will shift his weight to back left.
Hi
Well there's been the tinest bit of toe touching today very brief only lasting a few seconds but im hoping its the breakthrought we need. Took him out to the garden, off he went on 3 legs down the path but as soon as he got to the grass the foot dropped down i couldn't see if it was all the way down as it was lashing rain but definitely dropped. The grass was very soggy so he may have felt unstable on 3. Im praying it's the start! Anxiousness almost gone too.
Will keep you all posted. Again thanks so much so reassuring knowning others had the same experience & gained the knowledge.0 -
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