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Delonghi esam extraction time

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  • 12-11-2020 9:01am
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    caviardreams
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    Hi guys


    Have had this machine now for 6 years, and was always able to get a decent extraction time of 20-25 seconds or so but of late I can't get it past 15 seconds tops no matter what I play around with in terms of coffee volume, water etc (have grind at its finest). Is it possible at this stage the burrs are too blunt and not grinding fine enough anymore? Any ideas of anything else to try?


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    sioda
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    Have you tried using pre ground to see if it's any different.


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    keith_d99
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    Have you changed the beans you buy recently?


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    caviardreams
    Registered Users Posts: 5,439 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    keith_d99 wrote: »
    Have you changed the beans you buy recently?

    Yeah I change beans all the time, and it's teh same for the last 5 or 6 types

    Never tried pre-ground in the machine so will have to dig the manual out but that's a good shout - thanks!


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    sioda
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    caviardreams wrote: »
    Yeah I change beans all the time, and it's teh same for the last 5 or 6 types

    Never tried pre-ground in the machine so will have to dig the manual out but that's a good shout - thanks!
    It's probably the most unused feature on them tbf


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    alec76
    Registered Users Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭alec76


    I would say , it is low-density beans .


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    caviardreams
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    alec76 wrote: »
    I would say , it is low-density beans .

    Even though I've tried 5 or 6 types? Are they that common!


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    jarvis
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    What does this mean? I’ve the edam too but unsure what you mean by extraction time.


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    caviardreams
    Registered Users Posts: 5,439 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    jarvis wrote: »
    What does this mean? I’ve the edam too but unsure what you mean by extraction time.

    How long it takes to brew a shot from start to finish


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    jarvis
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    caviardreams wrote: »
    How long it takes to brew a shot from start to finish

    So this poster is complaining that it’s being completed faster than previously? Why would that be a problem?


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    alec76
    Registered Users Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭alec76


    jarvis wrote: »
    So this poster is complaining that it’s being completed faster than previously? Why would that be a problem?
    Trying to pull as best espresso shots as possible, I suppose.
    Extraction time has significantly impact on coffee taste.


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    alec76
    Registered Users Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭alec76


    caviardreams wrote: »
    Even though I've tried 5 or 6 types? Are they that common!

    Not really, no. Where did you get them?


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    caviardreams
    Registered Users Posts: 5,439 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    alec76 wrote: »
    Not really, no. Where did you get them?

    2 different ones from bailies at the moment (Guatamala & Brazil), 2 from Bell Lane before that (different blends), cheapo from Lidl (ran out!), and 1kg of brazilian bean from WCC


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    alec76
    Registered Users Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭alec76


    Lidl’s meant to be fast , but the rest ....
    I would try
    Puly Grind Cristalli Coffee Grinder Cleaner
    first


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    mad m
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    Caviar,

    What settings do you have on grinder and turn knobs to front. Do we know how many grams it grinds for a shot in these machines?

    What was your usual extraction time before this problem cropped up. I wonder can you stick an aul hoover on top of grinder, it might be clogged


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    caviardreams
    Registered Users Posts: 5,439 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    mad m wrote: »
    Caviar,

    What settings do you have on grinder and turn knobs to front. Do we know how many grams it grinds for a shot in these machines?

    What was your usual extraction time before this problem cropped up. I wonder can you stick an aul hoover on top of grinder, it might be clogged

    Thanks for these - might try a good clean though it looks ok.

    I would have been able to get 20-25 seconds depending on beans, settings and fiddling

    AT the moment I'm going off water at about 10 o'clock and beans about about 2 o'clock, and getting about 35mls out in the shot, but it's quite weak. I have tried all variations though with a lot more/less beans, and more water etc.

    Like I say it's a recent issue - just seems impossible to get above 15 seconds at best!

    Will try and give that grinder cleaner a go alec - thanks. I presume it will still work on the grinder even though it's a bean to cup and not a separate "proper" grinder or anything?


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    alec76
    Registered Users Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭alec76


    mad m wrote: »
    Do we know how many grams it grinds for a shot in these machines?

    I was wondering myself when I had one.
    Around 14g at max settings I would say.


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    alec76
    Registered Users Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭alec76


    caviardreams wrote: »

    Will try and give that grinder cleaner a go alec - thanks. I presume it will still work on the grinder even though it's a bean to cup and not a separate "proper" grinder or anything?

    Should do the trick.
    some local link found with Google
    https://www.coffeeclick.ie/product/puly-grind-cristalli-coffee-grinder-cleaner/
    Maybe it is time for upgrade anyway?
    Bean to cup will never do good espresso, regardless how expensive machine is.
    I had cheap Delonghi bean to cup years ago , changed it to semiautomatic, best thing happened to me. Friend of mine still has Delongi BeanToCup , top of the line , paid over €1500 ...and it is no better than one I had in terms of the shot quality.


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    caviardreams
    Registered Users Posts: 5,439 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    alec76 wrote: »
    Should do the trick.
    some local link found with Google
    https://www.coffeeclick.ie/product/puly-grind-cristalli-coffee-grinder-cleaner/
    Maybe it is time for upgrade anyway?
    Bean to cup will never do good espresso, regardless how expensive machine is.
    I had cheap Delonghi bean to cup years ago , changed it to semiautomatic, best thing happened to me. Friend of mine still has Delongi BeanToCup , top of the line , paid over €1500 ...and it is no better than one I had in terms of the shot quality.

    Yeah I am actually thinking of going with a good grinder (wilfa svart or similar) and french press or hario, filter etc. I only ever drink americanos so probably another brew method may even be a better fit. Could probably get it all in for pretty reasonable and more counter space back to boot!


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