Glow plug removal Westmeath

paul.j.phelan

Kia Ceed estate 2013- main dealer cant remove glow plugs - without breaking them
Recommends looking online - I live in westmeath

Can anyone recommend a heater plug removal specialist in Westmeath

biko

If main dealer can't do it then they should be able to point you to an alternative.

Try this guy in Dublin
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin//showthread.php?p=111240778

BrianD3

There is a diesel injection specialist in Ardagh Longford which was recommended to me but I ended up not needing them in the end so can't give a personal recommendation.

http://www.corrydieselsystems.com/

PS it is fairy bad that a Kia which would have been sold in 2013 with a 7 year warranty "can't" be repaired by a Kia main dealer in 2020.

hurikane

BrianD3 wrote: »

There is a diesel injection specialist in Ardagh Longford which was recommended to me but I ended up not needing them in the end so can't give a personal recommendation.

http://www.corrydieselsystems.com/

PS it is fairy bad that a Kia which would have been sold in 2013 with a 7 year warranty "can't" be repaired by a Kia main dealer in 2020.

Sure the whole care is a consumable, hence the warranty covers nothing.

selectamatic

BrianD3 wrote: »

PS it is fairy bad that a Kia which would have been sold in 2013 with a 7 year warranty "can't" be repaired by a Kia main dealer in 2020.

Kia and Hyundai seem to be very stingy when it comes to what should be warranty repairs.

paul.j.phelan

Thanks all.... Glow plugs.... Not injectors please

Toyotafanboi

BrianD3 wrote: »

PS it is fairy bad that a Kia which would have been sold in 2013 with a 7 year warranty "can't" be repaired by a Kia main dealer in 2020.

The main dealer can repair it. They just cant remove them without breaking them which at a main dealer would turn it from a €150 job to a €1500 job if they break in a worst case scenario. The repair process is relatively straightfoward even if they break, but costs will soar.

At least they were up front and said it instead of going gung ho, snapping them and leaving OP up **** creek. At least now he can still drive the car and review his options.

Unfortunatley, I cant recommend someone in that area.

ohnonotgmail

why are they so difficult to remove?

CJhaughey

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why are they so difficult to remove?

Long thread, fine pitch and dissimilar metals and heat cycles, plus they are hollow and not particularly strong.

antodeco

My thoughts on this would be, the dealer needs to remove them. If they break them, that's their issue, not the OPs.

It's like getting a painter into your house. He knocks his paint can over and spills it over your carpet. He then charges you an extra €1000 to replace the carpet.

colm_mcm

antodeco wrote: »

My thoughts on this would be, the dealer needs to remove them. If they break them, that's their issue, not the OPs.

It's like getting a painter into your house. He knocks his paint can over and spills it over your carpet. He then charges you an extra €1000 to replace the carpet.

In that case they should just charge €1500 across the board for glow plug replacement to cover themselves.

Turbohymac

Not suprised..try removing engine injectors from 2017 onwards ford transit. The main dealer discreetly recommends that you break off the solenoid as rust gathers badly between the injectors and alloy head.. and these Van's are only 3 years old.. modern stuff definitely not designed for service and repair during its lifetime..

LollipopJimmy

antodeco wrote: »

My thoughts on this would be, the dealer needs to remove them. If they break them, that's their issue, not the OPs.

It's like getting a painter into your house. He knocks his paint can over and spills it over your carpet. He then charges you an extra €1000 to replace the carpet.

Not the same at all and the dealer can remove them, would just need to charge accordingly.

It would be more like asking a painter to paint an unstable wall and expecting him to rebuild it if it falls over.

Toyotafanboi

colm_mcm wrote: »

In that case they should just charge €1500 across the board for glow plug replacement to cover themselves.

Then they'd be seen as gougers when it usually takes an hour.

In fairness, i think the correct process is go give the "straightfordward" quote, take the car and and if they come out then that's well and good and if they aren't budging, to relay the new info to the customer and update their options. No charge though, if they choose to take the car away.

CoBo55

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Then they'd be seen as gougers when it usually takes an hour.

In fairness, i think the correct process is go give the "straightfordward" quote, take the car and and if they come out then that's well and good and if they aren't budging, to relay the new info to the customer and update their options. No charge though, if they choose to take the car away.

And if one shears off? What then?

Hellrazer

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Then they'd be seen as gougers when it usually takes an hour.

In fairness, i think the correct process is go give the "straightforward" quote, take the car and and if they come out then that's well and good and if they aren't budging, to relay the new info to the customer and update their options. No charge though, if they choose to take the car away.

Id do it the opposite way to be honest.
Give the straightforward quote with the caveat that they "can" break getting them out.

Explain that if that happens its head off and its going to cost you "X" instead of "Y" - Do you want me to proceed with the repair?

Why should a dealer cover the rest of the costs if one does break coming out?

Cordell

antodeco wrote: »

My thoughts on this would be, the dealer needs to remove them. If they break them, that's their issue, not the OPs.

It's like getting a painter into your house. He knocks his paint can over and spills it over your carpet. He then charges you an extra €1000 to replace the carpet.

I had the same issue, both main dealer (other brand) and independent garage told me the same: they can't guarantee they can remove it without breaking it, and if it breaks the head may need to come off on my expense. That was the deal, take it or leave it. The main dealer had a better price for the part and labor, and they were able to replace it with no issues.

antodeco

I totally get that they want to give a full price up front. Im just amazed that a service can charge for them breaking something (again, excuse my ignorance on the removal of glowplugs). If the standard was "Glowplugs need to be snapped to remove them and it costs X. However, we will try and remove them without snapping them". I suppose its semantics on language used. "Hey if we break them removing them, we will charge you" versus "They need to be broken to be removed, but sometimes we can remove them without breaking them".

Cordell

No, glowplugs don't need to be snapped, but sometimes they are seized and they break. There is no way to tell, they turn the wrench, 9/10 the plug comes out, 1/10 it snaps.

CoBo55

Preparation prior to removal does help a lot. Running a good quality easing oil around them a few days beforehand and gently moving them really makes a difference. The engine being half warm and patience is key, none of these things will be done by a main dealer. It'll be twist n go or twist n snap end of.

Cordell

A lot of times it's caked in carbon deposits on the cylinder side and nothing will help with that.
The main dealer will follow the procedure they have from the manufacturer, nothing less nothing more, right?

Toyotafanboi

Hellrazer wrote: »

Id do it the opposite way to be honest.
Give the straightforward quote with the caveat that they "can" break getting them out.

Explain that if that happens its head off and its going to cost you "X" instead of "Y" - Do you want me to proceed with the repair?

Why should a dealer cover the rest of the costs if one does break coming out?

I dont think the dealer should cover the cost if one breaks.

But if taken in and after initial check it turns out to be a much bigger job and the customer doesn't want to go ahead, it's often amicable to not charge once the workshop isn't losing a hape of time on it i find. It's a lot about controlling expectations from the get go, as you say.

That being said, i would disagree with comments that a main dealer would just go in and snap them. They would still want the job to be successful and take as many precautions as possible for the repair to be as cost effective as it can. No mechanic is going to drive it in on a cold engine and ping them all off "because main dealer". Things like that don't happen.

CJhaughey

Both Wurth and Liquimoly make a chemical for removing glowplugs and injectors and sparkplugs, Wurth is Injector-Ex and Liquimoly is 3379 Injector removing aid.
The key with both of these is to apply a week or so before planned removal to allow the chemical to be drawn in by the heating and cooling cycles.
I would recommend getting a can of it and applying it or getting the garage to apply it well before you need to remove them.
Yes you are paying for it but if it makes the job go smoothly then its well worth it.

CoBo55

CJhaughey wrote: »

Both Wurth and Liquimoly make a chemical for removing glowplugs and injectors and sparkplugs, Wurth is Injector-Ex and Liquimoly is 3379 Injector removing aid.
The key with both of these is to apply a week or so before planned removal to allow the chemical to be drawn in by the heating and cooling cycles.
I would recommend getting a can of it and applying it or getting the garage to apply it well before you need to remove them.
Yes you are paying for it but if it makes the job go smoothly then its well worth it.

Exactly what I said earlier.