Michelin Primacy 4 or CrossClimate?

FrankC21

Hi,

Don't know which tyres to get for two front wheels, driving 3,700km each month and mostly mix of motorway( my driving style on the motorway, I'm doing 120-150km/h speed) and national road.

You guys know what it's like driving down M1 and m50 on a rainy day.

FDave

Id go for the crossclimate, i found the side walls on the premacy 4 to be a bit soft giving less steering feel and confidence. Both wear great but with winter weather approaching the crossclimates will handle conditions better and still be great in summer. The downsides are extra cost and they are very grabby in standing water due to the tyre thread having to pump the water out rather than channeling it through the tyres. Goodyear and continental offerings are worth considering too.

FrankC21

FDave wrote: »

Id go for the crossclimate, i found the side walls on the premacy 4 to be a bit soft giving less steering feel and confidence. Both wear great but with winter weather approaching the crossclimates will handle conditions better and still be great in summer. The downsides are extra cost and they are very grabby in standing water due to the tyre thread having to pump the water out rather than channeling it through the tyres. Goodyear and continental offerings are worth considering too.

What do goodyear and continental tyres have similar to cross climate?

Henry Ford III

https://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyres_For/Renault/Megane.htm

Any main stream tyre will be fine. You're unlikely be able to tell the difference.

corkgsxr

I'd would go for the primacy. Should have longer life. And is fine in most conditions on motorway driving.

LRNM

Would you consider Bridgestone Weathercontrol A005?
They're excellent and consistently have outperformed the Michellin Cross climate for rain performance for the past few years.

FrankC21

LRNM wrote: »

Would you consider Bridgestone Weathercontrol A005?
They're excellent and consistently have outperformed the Michellin Cross climate for rain performance for the past few years.

Michelin cross climate is €145

CJhaughey

My experience with the Crossclimates is that they handle standing water very poorly, they just don't seem able to clear the water fast enough.
I also found them to wear the shoulders very quickly, but this was on a Honda Accord Tourer which is a heavy car.
I am shopping currently and was looking at the Primacy 4, but very tempted by the Nokian Powerproof. Edit: just bought some.
The Nokians I have used in the past were all great tyres, the last ones I used were the Weatherproof and I really rated them as an all season tyre.
My OH has an Impreza with the Bridgestone A005's on that, good tyres and super grippy, the only downside is that they are very fuel inefficient, changed them for T005 Turanza and noticed a significant increase in fuel economy.
I can't vouch for them personally but for wet conditions people seem to like the Uniroyal Rainsport tyres, both 3 and 5 for wet conditions.
What tyre size and what car are these for?

FrankC21

CJhaughey wrote: »

My experience with the Crossclimates is that they handle standing water very poorly, they just don't seem able to clear the water fast enough.
I also found them to wear the shoulders very quickly, but this was on a Honda Accord Tourer which is a heavy car.
I am shopping currently and was looking at the Primacy 4, but very tempted by the Nokian Powerproof. Edit: just bought some.
The Nokians I have used in the past were all great tyres, the last ones I used were the Weatherproof and I really rated them as an all season tyre.
My OH has an Impreza with the Bridgestone A005's on that, good tyres and super grippy, the only downside is that they are very fuel inefficient, changed them for T005 Turanza and noticed a significant increase in fuel economy.
I can't vouch for them personally but for wet conditions people seem to like the Uniroyal Rainsport tyres, both 3 and 5 for wet conditions.
What tyre size and what car are these for?

205/55/R17 Renault fluence

FrankC21

I am just curious, because a guy from donegal predicted that there will be snow this year, cause of the east wind, there's no harm to prepare and get a decent tyre.

galvo_clare

I was at the launch of the CrossClimate a few years ago in Geneva.
They had what was essentially a ski slope set up in a car park and the journos sat into standard 2.0 TDi Golfs to drive to the top.
We had no problems getting there on the CrossClimates and then we tried the same cars on Summer tyres.
It took me two goes and some serious clutch control but I got to the top. I turned to the Michelin guy in the passenger seat
and his face was white.
"You weren't supposed to do that. You're the first to do it."
They hadn't reckoned on the Irish being used to driving on muck.

CJhaughey

galvo_clare wrote: »

I was at the launch of the CrossClimate a few years ago in Geneva.
They had what was essentially a ski slope set up in a car park and the journos sat into standard 2.0 TDi Golfs to drive to the top.
We had no problems getting there on the CrossClimates and then we tried the same cars on Summer tyres.
It took me two goes and some serious clutch control but I got to the top. I turned to the Michelin guy in the passenger seat
and his face was white.
"You weren't supposed to do that. You're the first to do it."
They hadn't reckoned on the Irish being used to driving on muck.

It helps when its not your clutch you are abusing:)

josephsoap

LRNM wrote: »

Would you consider Bridgestone Weathercontrol A005?
They're excellent and consistently have outperformed the Michellin Cross climate for rain performance for the past few years.

What would these be like for the back wheels on a RWD BMW ?

CJhaughey

josephsoap wrote: »

What would these be like for the back wheels on a RWD BMW ?

I would always recommend matching them as a set, there is little point having the rear wheels provide drive and the front wheels not having any grip

josephsoap

CJhaughey wrote: »

I would always recommend matching them as a set, there is little point having the rear wheels provide drive and the front wheels not having any grip

Thanks - still have plenty of tread left up front Eagle F1’s - back tyres are coming near wear indicator - given time of time I was thinking a set of all seasons might be a better buy.

LRNM

josephsoap wrote: »

What would these be like for the back wheels on a RWD BMW ?

I can't comment as I have a FWD. I only have used them as a full set.
As CJHaughey said, they're very grippy tyres. I commute on horrible roads in all weather and these have served me well.
In regards to fuel performance. Honestly I haven't noticed major difference between thense and bridgestone turanza. If there is a difference it's minimal.
But I wouldn't have any figures to compare, I'm purely going by guesstimate.

At the end of the day. Safety is #1 for me and I'll always be willing to pay a bit extra on fuel or for premium tyres .
I'd never go back to using summer tyres. I wear these all year around. Mainly for days like today.

I only tend to get 6 seasons out of them so they don't last overly long but YMMV and again I drive 100km every day to work on backroads.

Here's another pic of them.

Del2005

josephsoap wrote: »

Thanks - still have plenty of tread left up front Eagle F1’s - back tyres are coming near wear indicator - given time of time I was thinking a set of all seasons might be a better buy.

Swap the back to the front and then replace the 4. Don't think I'd be mixing summer and all season tyres tyres coming into the cold weather

CJhaughey

josephsoap wrote: »

Thanks - still have plenty of tread left up front Eagle F1’s - back tyres are coming near wear indicator - given time of time I was thinking a set of all seasons might be a better buy.

No harm in buying a set of 4 All seasons and fitting them as a set, then when the roads are dry and warm getting two more Eagle F1 and fitting them.
I am currently replacing two of the F1 Asy 5 with Nokian Powerproof, F1 give great grip but not great tread life.

josephsoap

Thanks folks think I will go with a full set of weather control 005 - coughing up for the 255/35R19’s will not be much fun though :-p

McCrack

Just so you know a005 evo has replaced them.. Not sure if they are worth the extra though

CJhaughey

Let us know how you get on with them, always good to get tyre feedback.

ednwireland

ive run the bridgestone weather control A005 for a couple of years now, run various all season tyres in the past on other cars .

never had any issue in rain, hot summer etc. havent really had enough snowfall to do a full winter test but the light snow icy days dont seem to phase them much.

quiet on my ceed sw as well in 205 16 size (i think !)

FrankC21

Just got the primacy 4, no cross climate near my place, €135 each with €25 cashback - immediately noticed major difference, much smoother I hardly feel the bumps on the road, handling much lighter and responsive. I'll see on Monday when I commute to work how it will do on the motorway.