Dosing products

Neo Sanders

What products are people using?

My plan is an ivermectin pour on at housing for worms and lice. Then after 6 weeks, trodax and zanil, to cover liver and stomach fluke

I've used imec pour on for lice and worms today. Its very cheap compared to other products. 5 litres was around €80. Has anyone used it, how did you find it? Is it too cheap to be effective?

Goeasy123

Neo Sanders wrote: »

What products are people using?

My plan is an ivermectin pour on at housing for worms and lice. Then after 6 weeks, trodax and zanil, to cover liver and stomach fluke

I've used imec pour on for lice and worms today. Its very cheap compared to other products. 5 litres was around €80. Has anyone used it, how did you find it? Is it too cheap to be effective?

Imec is a generic ivermectin and will do the job fine. Should really leave 10 weeks for trodax to kill all stages of liver fluke. If you think you've an issue with fluke (liver or rumen) then I'd go with something like Levfas Diamond now to kill stomach worms, rumen fluke and adult liver fluke. Use spot on or butox for lice when suits (now and in 3 to 4 weeks time). Follow up with Trodax in mid January.

Alternatively use generic ivermec super to do lice, worms & adult liver fluke now. Then decide on rumen fluke and developed liver fluke later. Lots of options, just decide most appropriate for you.

alps

Teagasc studies have shown massive Anthelmintic resistance to Ivermectin in the cattle population in Ireland. I thinking like 70%

If you want to continue using it, you really should contact your vet to get a test done on what type of products are most effective on your farm. Its inexpensive and sometimes free..

It's a tiny price relative to the cost of dosing product and the weight gain that could be achieved with the most effective product.

I would be concerned about resistance having built up over time through the use of pour-ons. I just feel the dosage rate is really haphazard and the risk of under dosing due to losses is really high. Underdosing is a real recipe for resistance.

Goeasy123

Have to agree with Alps, if the likes of rumen fluke isn't causing a problem then I'd leave it alone. Only Zanil & Levfas out there to kill it and if resistance builds up to it we're all snookered. Heard the same lately about ivermectin resistant stomach worms and starting to cause a problem. Good idea to use an oral dose as part of a good programme to change the mode of action. Only thing the tests aren't really any use for is lungworm. When it's identified in the lab it's probably causing a coughing issue already in your young cattle.

hopeso

Neo Sanders wrote: »

What products are people using?

My plan is an ivermectin pour on at housing for worms and lice. Then after 6 weeks, trodax and zanil, to cover liver and stomach fluke

I've used imec pour on for lice and worms today. Its very cheap compared to other products. 5 litres was around €80. Has anyone used it, how did you find it? Is it too cheap to be effective?

That’s not a bad plan....but I don’t think there would be any point using trodax and zanil together?

Neo Sanders

Goeasy123 wrote: »

Have to agree with Alps, if the likes of rumen fluke isn't causing a problem then I'd leave it alone. Only Zanil & Levfas out there to kill it and if resistance builds up to it we're all snookered. Heard the same lately about ivermectin resistant stomach worms and starting to cause a problem. Good idea to use an oral dose as part of a good programme to change the mode of action. Only thing the tests aren't really any use for is lungworm. When it's identified in the lab it's probably causing a coughing issue already in your young cattle.

I got a pooled dung sample done for beep, and it showed rumen fluke eggs. I don't normally do a blanket dose for rumen fluke, but I'm going to do it this year. So I'll do all cows and maybe ask the vet about doing the young stock.

Does anyone know if liver fluke shows up in the dung sample tests?

Re worms, i normally use drenched for the summer dose, and then a pour on for the winter. I've found ivermectin pour on works best for lice at this time of year. I clip the backs before using the pour on.

Neo Sanders

hopeso wrote: »

That’s not a bad plan....but I don’t think there would be any point using trodax and zanil together?

Trodax for liver fluke and zanil for stomach fluke. I think le a fast diamond covers both, but I've found it very hard on cattle.

Bass Reeves

Trodax kill fluke from the six week stage on. Vet said it gave great clear out of fluke four weeks after housing. Ivermectin supers/ plus kills fluke from about 8 weeks according to vet.

Most iral doses only klll adult fluke from yen weeks on except for flukiver dose. However cattle hate the taste of it and you I'll never oral dose again without a headlock

patsy_mccabe

You can look up the different veterinary medicines here;

https://www.hpra.ie/homepage/veterinary

Neo Sanders

So ye reckon imec is fine, once its a licenced product?? The variance in price is huge
When compared with dectomax or closmectin. I know closmectin does fluke, but imec plus trodax is still only a fraction of the price.... You'd wonder why..

dodo mommy

Morning all

Weanlings went in the last week of October, they were wormed about a month before going in with kilo-mec pour on. They are coughing a lot the last week, what's the best dose for them now or considering that my herd test is the end of November should I hold off until after test.

hopeso

dodo mommy wrote: »

Morning all

Weanlings went in the last week of October, they were wormed about a month before going in with kilo-mec pour on. They are coughing a lot the last week, what's the best dose for them now or considering that my herd test is the end of November should I hold off until after test.

It states on the test notification letter from the dept. that cattle shouldn't be dosed with anything for a period before the test. I don't know how important it is though. I'd certainly have dosed within the closed period in the past. If the coughing is very bad, it might be a good idea to discuss it with your vet to get their opinion. The pour on you used should be alright again. Just make sure you are giving them enough of it. If you want to use the best, get Ivomec injection. Keep an eye on them for signs of pneumonia too, as the coughing can bring it on.

bogman_bass

hopeso wrote: »

It states on the test notification letter from the dept. that cattle shouldn't be dosed with anything for a period before the test. I don't know how important it is though. I'd certainly have dosed within the closed period in the past. If the coughing is very bad, it might be a good idea to discuss it with your vet to get their opinion. The pour on you used should be alright again. Just make sure you are giving them enough of it. If you want to use the best, get Ivomec injection. Keep an eye on them for signs of pneumonia too, as the coughing can bring it on.

The problem is if you have a reactor

Lime Tree Farm

This is a very useful chart to have from the AHI range of leaflets,

https://online.flippingbook.com/view/798965/8-9/

Zanil (Oxyclozanide) kills both (adult only) Liver & Rumen fluke (the maximum dose is 105 ml)

_Brian

hopeso wrote: »

It states on the test notification letter from the dept. that cattle shouldn't be dosed with anything for a period before the test. I don't know how important it is though. I'd certainly have dosed within the closed period in the past. If the coughing is very bad, it might be a good idea to discuss it with your vet to get their opinion. The pour on you used should be alright again. Just make sure you are giving them enough of it. If you want to use the best, get Ivomec injection. Keep an eye on them for signs of pneumonia too, as the coughing can bring it on.

If there’s allot of coughing through worm burden I wouldn’t inject. It’s too quick a kill and the burden can lead to pneumonia. If the worm burden is suspected high and allot of coughing it would be more recommended to use an oral drench as the kill of worms in the lungs is slower and less chance of complications afterwards