Anyone got any experiance in this one?

Grizzly 45

Off the Wild Deer Commission best practise guides. Regarding firearms legislation
and whats useable for deer...

Shotguns and ammunition:
these are generally prohibited but the following exemption applies in certain circumstances, amongst other conditions serious damage by deer must be proved, see the Deer Legislation guide)

Not less than 12 bore. A shotgun may only be used by the occupier and certain others.
Ammunition must be AAA shot or rifled slug of not less than 350 grains. (an FAC is required to possess rifled slug ammunition)

Would be really interested in what circumstances and exemptions would allow this???Anyone ever heard or dealt with this?
I certainly wouldn't like AAA to be used on deer.:eek::eek:
00 Buck possibly,maybe.
But it would be abnormal,as no one else in the EU allows that load[00Buck] anymore for deer or even wild boar. AAA is IMO would be a fox load.

http://bestpracticeguides.ie/guides/deer-legislation/firearms-legislation/

Feisar

I would presume that was written before we got all PC about humane dispatch. The intention of the legislation being to allow the occupier, the farmer to be allowed shoot deer with the tool he would have available, a shotgun.

It says in the link that "..shotgun may only be used by the occupier and certain others." I think that means the farmer who views the deer as a pest but does not have an appropriate caliber rifle. What defines "certain others" I would be interested in knowing. Maybe if the farmer is elderly he/she could ask someone to do it on their behalf?

Feisar

I reckon that's what it is, I was reading a US based forum a while back. Lads were chatting about some caliber, say .22 Hornet being to light for coyotes. One lad was like, "ya shoot them with whatever is to hand, .22LR, whatever, they are pests." I don't agree, however poisoning rats is OK but a shotgun on deer is wrong?

meathstevie

If you’d see the amount of deer and boar that has been shot on the continent with 0 and 00 and Brenneke type slugs during the fifties and sixties you’d be gobsmacked.

Grizzly 45

00 Buck has been prohibited for deer and boar for a long time MS in Germany. Since the 60s I think. It would be fine for Roe, but I doubt it would be good for reds or boar. Slugs will drop both no problem within a reasonable distance We've shot enough of them with both.:)

I would presume that was written before we got all PC about humane dispatch. The intention of the legislation being to allow the occupier, the farmer to be allowed shoot deer with the tool he would have available, a shotgun.

Think they only produced this book within the last 2/3 years...
Strange then that HCAP has never mentioned it in all the years it has been in existence? In my 40 plus shooting in Ireland, this is the 1st time ever, I've seen or heard of this one.

Beginning to think this is a clanger on WDC part... this statement

t less than 12 bore. A shotgun may only be used by the occupier and certain others.
Ammunition must be AAA shot or rifled slug of not less than 350 grains. ( a FAC is required to possess rifled slug ammunition)

We have shotgun licenses here not FACs and you need a restricted shotgun license to possess and use shotgun slugs in the ROI. Sounds more like legislation for NI or UK? If this is the case,what else did they get wrong?

J.R.

The Deer Initiative 2009

www.thedeerinitiative.co.uk

http://www.thedeerinitiative.co.uk/uploads/guides/90.pdf

Page 3

Does this look familiar?

cookimonster

There are parts of France that a certain times of the year they hunt Roe with shotguns and pellets not 'slugs'. The same with boar when it's in thick cover or in highly built up areas like 'streets' inside villages.


Another thing that caught my eye was use of hand held thermal imaging equipment. I thought all NV stuff, whether hand held, passive or active, was a no no for deer hunting. Hunting in the definition includes searching for.

cookimonster

cookimonster wrote: »

There are parts of France that a certain times of the year they hunt Roe with shotguns and pellets not 'slugs'. The same with boar when it's in thick cover or in highly built up areas like 'streets' inside villages.


Another thing that caught my eye was use of hand held thermal imaging equipment. I thought all NV stuff, whether hand held, passive or active, was a no no for deer hunting. Hunting in the definition includes searching for.

Re hand held thermal devices-

Section 45 of the Wildlife (Amendment) Act, 2000 and now reads as follows:

“38.— (1) Any person who uses—

(a) any lamp, light, torch, mirror or other artificial light-reflecting or dazzling device or appliance, or

(b) any device for illuminating, image intensifying or heat seeking a target, or

(c) any sighting device for night shooting, or

J.R.

Grizzly,

In that website you mention there is also a tab called:


Vehicle collisions

http://bestpracticeguides.ie/guides/culling/vehicle-collisions/

"At least 74,000 deer are injured on roads in the UK each year....................This guide links to Shooting Deer and By-product Disposal guides".

All of the information relates to UK and is not in line with Irish rules.

Grizzly 45

J.R. wrote: »

The Deer Initiative 2009

www.thedeerinitiative.co.uk

http://www.thedeerinitiative.co.uk/uploads/guides/90.pdf

Page 3

Does this look familiar?

That's that explained then.:)

Grizzly 45

J.R. wrote: »

Grizzly,

In that website you mention there is also a tab called:


Vehicle collisions

http://bestpracticeguides.ie/guides/culling/vehicle-collisions/

"At least 74,000 deer are injured on roads in the UK each year....................This guide links to Shooting Deer and By-product Disposal guides".

All of the information relates to UK and is not in line with Irish rules.

Indeedy.
Someone might want to mention this to the IDC,that their "best practise guides" have a few clangers in them for Irish circumstances.it looks like they just took a lot of UK stuff and changed it for the ROI...Pretty dangerous info if any newbie is reading this and thinking it's gospel for here.

tudderone

cookimonster wrote: »

There are parts of France that a certain times of the year they hunt Roe with shotguns and pellets not 'slugs'. The same with boar when it's in thick cover or in highly built up areas like 'streets' inside villages.


Another thing that caught my eye was use of hand held thermal imaging equipment. I thought all NV stuff, whether hand held, passive or active, was a no no for deer hunting. Hunting in the definition includes searching for.

There was a thing on the BBC yesterday about Germany and how the wild boar numbers have gotten out of hand, even in places like Berlin, places like Spandau etc. They have the place dug up and of course you get the idiots thinking they are things you can pet and have a selfie with .

Probably because of the virus, people cannot get out and shoot them in sufficient numbers.

cookimonster

tudderone wrote: »

There was a thing on the BBC yesterday about Germany and how the wild boar numbers have gotten out of hand, even in places like Berlin, places like Spandau etc. They have the place dug up and of course you get the idiots thinking they are things you can pet and have a selfie with .

Probably because of the virus, people cannot get out and shoot them in sufficient numbers.

They have gone into lock down and like us are awaiting a decision by the local regional authorities as whether or not the can get out hunting. They are worried about the future impact on farming, forestry and fauna.