Don't fall foul of big industry propaganda.

auspicious

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h-9DPMEMZC4

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=111762163

Dravokivich

No link dumping. If you've something to say, please do so. Don't make other people try guess your issue. If you don't have anything expressed on this at some stage tomorrow, I'm going to close the thread.

auspicious

Milk has become such a persuasive product by the industry market targeting children or potential insecurities of parents. We never learned about other sources of calcium; the misconception that if we didn't drink milk we were missing something. But that's a tired selling point these days.
Essential part of a balanced diet! It was/is so ubiquitous it wasn't/isn't questioned. Through the power of advertising it has become so deeply ingrained.
The U.S. National Dairy Council recognizes that foods like kale, bok choy, and broccoli all have higher rates of calcium absorption than milk. 
Two tablespoons dried ground basil 220 mg of calcium, 1 cup milk 240mg.
Why don't we know this? Agricultural lobbyists. Government supporting agriculture; dietary guidelines, to date.
They're big business. Like any good business their bottom line is profit.

gozunda

auspicious wrote: »

Milk has become such a persuasive product by the industry market targeting children or potential insecurities of parents. We never learned about other sources of calcium; the misconception that if we didn't drink milk we were missing something. But that's a tired selling point these days.Essential part of a balanced diet! It was/is so ubiquitous it wasn't/isn't questioned. Through the power of advertising it has become so deeply ingrained. The U.S. National Dairy Council recognizes that foods like kale, bok choy, and broccoli all have higher rates of calcium absorption than milk. Two tablespoons dried ground basil 220 mg of calcium, 1 cup milk 240mg.Why don't we know this? Agricultural lobbyists. Government supporting agriculture; dietary guidelines, to date. They're big business. Like any good business their bottom line is profit.

Nah that's just advertising Auspicious. Its done for all products ' everything from nappies to insurance. Advertising from the 1950/60s is hilarious for just about everything tbh. But yes every product you buy is based on a return of profit. With the primary producer whether vegetable, dairy etc getting the smallest returns.

The fact is milk remains a recommended part of healthy balanced diet from professional medical bodies such as the NHS

Milk and dairy products, such as cheese and yoghurt, are great sources of protein and calcium. They can form part of a healthy, balanced diet.

They also recommend artificially fortified drinks such as soy which people can choose if they like.

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/milk-and-dairy-nutrition/

auspicious

-Dairy foods have a bioavailablity of about 30% absorption so if a food label on milk lists 300 mg of calcium per cup, about 100 mg will be absorbed and used by the body. Plant foods like leafy greens contain less calcium overall but have a higher bioavailability than dairy. For example, bok choy contains about 160 mg of calcium per 1 cup cooked but has a higher bioavailability of 50%, so about 80 mg is absorbed. Therefore, eating 1 cup of cooked bok choy has almost as much bioavailable calcium as 1 cup of milk. Calcium-fortified orange juice and calcium-set tofu have a similar total amount of calcium and bioavailability as milk, while almonds have slightly lower total calcium and bioavailability of about 20%. This may be useful information for those who cannot eat dairy foods or who follow a vegan diet.

Dravokivich

Although in fairness I think things published by the likes of the NHS don't tend to get reviewed unless they come under some form of measured scrutiny. Do they still support/reference the food pyramid?

auspicious

Dravokivich wrote: »

Although in fairness I think things published by the likes of the NHS don't tend to get reviewed unless they come under some form of measured scrutiny. Do they still support/reference the food pyramid?

Of course they do. We never knew smoking was bad for us until science revealed it. If slaughterhouses had glass walls...

gozunda

Dravokivich wrote: »

Although in fairness I think things published by the likes of the NHS don't tend to get reviewed unless they come under some form of measured scrutiny. Do they still support/reference the food pyramid?

The NHS Guidelines for healthy eating and Nutrition primarily comes from the UK information Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition (SACN)

"SACN advises on nutrition and related health matters. It advises Public Health England (PHE) and other UK government organisations."

This is their terms of reference.

https://www.gov.uk/government/groups/scientific-advisory-committee-on-nutrition#terms-of-reference

As above their recommendations cover a range of diets including plant food diet options.

But yes dairy and related foods are recommend as part of a healthy balanced diet by the NHS, the HSE and others.

And no I dont think smoking was ever part of the food pyramid lol :pac:

I can understand people not wanting to consume a particular product but trying to infer that something is all big conspiracy or wtte is simply the stuff of hairy youtube videos tbf.

Edit. Sorry forgot to reference about the food pyramid etc. Had to look it up the reference.

The NHS use the "Food plate" Healthy Eating Guide to help make healthier eating easier.

Same advice as I've detailed above.

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/the-eatwell-guide/

Dravokivich

auspicious wrote: »

Of course they do. We never knew smoking was bad for us until science revealed it. If slaughterhouses had glass walls...

They'd be harder to clean.

There's been issues with moderation here and as well as cleaning up the rough parts here, thought it might be worth while to try and engage with an open discussion, within the remit of this forum.

What is with the spin you've put into my commentary? While NHS can be used as a credible source, their published material will only be changed if it's discredited and shown to be harmful. Which is measurably not the case. I didn't post to suggest challenging it would be futile however. I posted to suggest to the person who referenced it, that once it's seen to do enough, it's unlikely to be reflected upon further.

if anything, as it so happens that illuminates your point of view.

auspicious

It is immeasurably not the case because the majority holds that animal sources of food are grand.
Milk and other dairy products are the top source of saturated fat in the diet, contributing to heart disease, type 2 diabetes, and Alzheimer's disease. Studies have also linked dairy to an increased risk of breast, ovarian, and prostate cancers. Not to mention igf-1 which is promoted by animal protein. IGF-1 promotes each of the key stages of cancer development.
It's not scrutinised closely enough because big business lobbys government and protocols are enacted from the top down.

auspicious

auspicious wrote: »

Of course they do. We never knew smoking was bad for us until science revealed it. If slaughterhouses had glass walls...

Yeah. That’s a great saying. I wonder how many people would stop eating meat and dairy, overnight, if they witnessed what happened in slaughter houses ?

There’s not enough footage from inside slaughter houses either.

And from the footage that does exist it does have a huge impact on humans that get to see it. They see lovely adverts but don’t understand the actual process.

I have family that have reacted from - ‘I’m not eating meat again’ to ‘don’t show it to me. I don’t want to see it. I know I’ll go vegan if I see it’. My sister literally closed her eyes and would not look at it.

The latter example says it all really.

The world would be a much nicer place if slaughter houses did have glass walls as they would be a lot less busy.

gozunda

auspicious wrote: »

It is immeasurably not the case because the majority holds that animal sources of food are grand. *Milk and other dairy products are the top source of saturated fat in the diet, contributing to heart disease, type 2 diabetes, and Alzheimer's disease. Studies have also linked dairy to an increased risk of breast, ovarian, and prostate cancers. Not to mention igf-1 which is promoted by animal protein. IGF-1 promotes each of the key stages of cancer development.
It's not scrutinised closely enough because big business lobbys government and protocols are enacted from the top down.

Auspicious. National health bodies such as the NHS etc recommended that yes milk and dairy form part of a healthy balanced diet. They also suggest plant based alternatives for those who chose those types of foods. See references above.

I do understand your preference for plant based foods etc based on personal beliefs. That's fine. It however does not negate current scientific information on a healthy balanced diet. for the population as a whole.

Btw your quoted information* above comes from an advocacy organisation who call themselves the "Physicians Committee" and who state they are dedicated to

"Creating a healthier world through a new emphasis on plant-based nutrition and scientific research conducted ethically, without using animals"

Despite the name -"Less than 5 percent of its members are physicians,”

So no they are certainly not a reliable independent or unbiased source of nutritional information imo.

Interestingingly the "Physicians Committee"
have been criticised by the American Medical Association (AMA) and are part funded by PETA an extreme animal rights group who have been linked to abducting and killing peoples pets because they are against the keeping of any domestic animals.

It’s almost an impossibility.

There’s no way companies would spend such huge money without knowing it works.

Advertising works. It fools people all the time.

Edward Bernays was one sick pup, imo, and was responsible for eggs and bacon being considered a ‘normal’ breakfast food. Prior to the 1920’s, from memory, nobody considered these items to be suitable for breakfast.

He popularised the idea of eggs and bacon for breakfast around the same time he encouraged more women to smoke by selling them their ‘torches of freedom’.

Money money money. That was his only interest (and the power that went with it) and had he been paid to encourage people to eat less/no meat or that all animals were equal and we should care for them all then people probably wouldn’t eat much milk or diary at all.

The biggest problem with advertising/propaganda is that it makes money. So the longer you’ve been doing it the deeper your reach will be and the more money you will have to reinvest.

So unfortunately people will continue to fall for the advertising/propaganda from the meat and diary industries.

I don’t know the science behind it but it seems we mostly do what we are told. And in this instance the meat and diary industry can tell people anything and they’ll believe it.

So if you look at this advert - ‘everything is great. Don’t be worrying or thinking about anything for yourself. We’ve got you covered’.

https://youtu.be/TrZNgkbBekY


Then you look at the actual reality.

I implore everyone to look at this video today to see the true cruelty experienced for the food on your plate -


https://youtu.be/235rTAZcEJg


Please take a few moments to understand the difference between the lies in the TV adverts and the reality of your choices.

richie123

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So if you look at this advert - ‘everything is great. Don’t be worrying or thinking about anything for yourself. We’ve got you covered’.

https://youtu.be/TrZNgkbBekY


Then you look at the actual reality.

I implore everyone to look at this video today to see the true cruelty experienced for the food on your plate -


https://youtu.be/235rTAZcEJg


Please take a few moments to understand the difference between the lies in the TV adverts and the reality of your choices.

I don't understand the cruelty aspect of this agrument.if you take the common household pet cat or feral cats they torture and kill millions of wildlife every day.
Most that has seen a cat play/torture a mouse sometimes for hours will be horrified by it .. including myself!
So what's your position on that scenario?
If stunning cattle before slaughter is wrong
Then surly a cat torturing a mouse before killing is the same ?
And you can't really say it's nature at work because we can say that about humans too.

richie123

richie123 wrote: »

I don't understand the cruelty aspect of this agrument.if you take the common household pet cat or feral cats they torture and kill millions of wildlife every day.
Most that has seen a cat play/torture a mouse sometimes for hours will be horrified by it .. including myself!
So what's your position on that scenario?
If stunning cattle before slaughter is wrong
Then surly a cat torturing a mouse before killing is the same ?
And you can't really say it's nature at work because we can say that about humans too.

Literally no idea what you’re talking about.

accensi0n

Milk is delicious though.

accensi0n

accensi0n wrote: »

Milk is delicious though.

Very original.

Well done.

richie123

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Literally no idea what you’re talking about.

I'll repeat myself.
Your clearly against cruelty to animals.
As I am.
What is your position on the common household cat torturing and killing millions of wildlife every day.
I cannot make the question any clearer.

Thelonious Monk

Deleted User wrote: »

So if you look at this advert - ‘everything is great. Don’t be worrying or thinking about anything for yourself. We’ve got you covered’.

https://youtu.be/TrZNgkbBekY


Then you look at the actual reality.

I implore everyone to look at this video today to see the true cruelty experienced for the food on your plate -


https://youtu.be/235rTAZcEJg


Please take a few moments to understand the difference between the lies in the TV adverts and the reality of your choices.

That video on Irish pigs is horrible. A couple of weeks ago farmers on this forum were telling me pigs aren't kept in cramped conditions in Ireland.
I don't know how anyone can support that horrible industry.

richie123

richie123 wrote: »

I'll repeat myself.
Your clearly against cruelty to animals.
As I am.
What is your position on the common household cat torturing and killing millions of wildlife every day.
I cannot make the question any clearer.

Still no idea what you’re talking about.

Thelonious Monk

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

That video on Irish pigs is horrible. A couple of weeks ago farmers on this forum were telling me pigs aren't kept in cramped conditions in Ireland.
I don't know how anyone can support that horrible industry.

I hear you but advertising works. People see the adverts with happy chickens, pigs and cows.

From memory these are can even (maybe usually) depicted by cartoon/non real life animals.

People don’t get to meet these animals in their normal lives, in the way they meet cats and dogs, and society tells them it’s ‘normal’ to treat these animals differently.

One category (cows, pigs, chickens) are food.

The other category (dogs, cats) are mans best friend and household pets.

I think a stranger to the planet would find it utterly bizarre but advertising, we have seen since we were children, ‘normalises’ these differences.

I’ll also add that if people had more frequent access to the animals that are reared for slaughter and diary then they may see those similarities with dogs and cats more easily.

richie123

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Still no idea what you’re talking about.

I doubt that.your an intelligent person...
You don't want to answer it because it exposes a weakness in your argument.

richie123

richie123 wrote: »

I doubt that.your an intelligent person...
You don't want to answer it because it exposes a weakness in your argument.

I can’t answer it because I don’t understand it.

It’s weird question. I don’t understand the context.

I don’t have an ‘argument’.

I believe what I believe.

You’re welcome to believe what you believe.

But I genuinely don’t understand your question.

richie123

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I can’t answer it because I don’t understand it.

It’s weird question. I don’t understand the context.

I don’t have an ‘argument’.

I believe what I believe.

You’re welcome to believe what you believe.

But I genuinely don’t understand your question.

Right that's fair enough.
Your seek to abolish dairy beef pig farming as we know it.
So if that's the case anyone with a pet cat that's allowed out in the open should be stopped as the are prolific torturers/killers.
Zoos should closed because animals are being kept in enclosed unnatural condition s.
The horse racing industry should be shut down for the very same reasons ...being kept and forced into racing everyweek and being kept in enclosures.
You can't cherrypick the industries you want to shut down because it doesn't suit you.

richie123

richie123 wrote: »

Right that's fair enough.
Your seek to abolish dairy beef pig farming as we know it.
So if that's the case anyone with a pet cat that's allowed out in the open should be stopped as the are prolific torturers/killers.
Zoos should closed because animals are being kept in enclosed unnatural condition s.
The horse racing industry should be shut down for the very same reasons ...being kept and forced into racing everyweek and being kept in enclosures.
You can't cherrypick the industries you want to shut down because it doesn't suit you.

What’s fair enough ?

I think I get you (your question) now. If you see a similarity in those two examples then I’m flabbergasted. There is no answer to that question. It’s a bizarre unrelated question. It’s random as.

And I agree with most of your other suggestions.

richie123

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What’s fair enough ?

I think I get you (your question) now. If you see a similarity in those two examples then I’m flabbergasted. There is no answer to that question. It’s a bizarre unrelated question. It’s random as.

And I agree with most of your other suggestions.

Fair enough as in I don't mind that you don't understand.
Any industry that's harmful to animals should be banned.
Don't cherry pick.
Combine harvestors harvesting soya kill a lot of animals.
drilling/tilling ploughing ground for crops macerate animals too.
Don't be selective otherwise it's hypocrisy.

Lady Haywire

If consumers actually cared more about where their food comes from, those kind of pig units would be a thing of the past. It doesn't take much searching to find outdoor reared pork for sale in Ireland but because it's that bit more expensive, it's not bought. Shoppers want the €1 sausages and rashers, their €3.99 breakfast roll. If they paid more heed to welfare & spending a bit more for it, there would be far more outdoor pigs around. But sure then they wouldn't have as much to spend on iphones and the like. Years ago the weekly food shop was a much larger part of the weekly bills, but now consumers want the cheapest they can get (most of the time) without a thought to the process behind it.
On the same line, folks raving about Denny meat free sausages & yet they're supporting the same company who pays for these pigs to be reared in the video shown above. That's propaganda too, you're just supporting pig farming in a different way.

Oh & on the subject of cats/dogs.....let me just go outside to my petfood tree & take down a few tins there :pac:

Thelonious Monk

I've only seen free range pork in dunnes, it's not widely available really. Plus we couldnt satiate the demand for pork with free range unless everyone ate less meat and that seems unfathomable to most.

Lady Haywire

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I've only seen free range pork in dunnes, it's not widely available really. Plus we couldnt satiate the demand for pork with free range unless everyone ate less meat and that seems unfathomable to most.

Lots of places online to order from. I'm just stating a fact, most consumers don't care about where it comes from, it's the price sticker which they look at.
If there was more demand there would be a larger amount of people supplying.

Thelonious Monk

Lady Haywire wrote: »

Lots of places online to order from. I'm just stating a fact, most consumers don't care about where it comes from, it's the price sticker which they look at.
If there was more demand there would be a larger amount of people supplying.

Oh i know, most people couldnt care less how their food is produced or if any animals are suffering, but hopefully the tide is slowly turning.

richie123

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Oh i know, most people couldnt care less how their food is produced or if any animals are suffering, but hopefully the tide is slowly turning.

Agree with you there.vast majority don't give a **** where there food comes from..so long long as it's cheap.

gozunda

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

That video on Irish pigs is horrible. A couple of weeks ago farmers on this forum were telling me pigs aren't kept in cramped conditions in Ireland.
I don't know how anyone can support that horrible industry.

Think you are gettnng a bit mixed up there tbh Thelonious.

I think these were the posts in question?

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=114706761

And btw the article you linked was about a tragic fire in a pig farm in Northern Ireland - and despite your comment - it didn't show any conditions at the pig unit in question.

gozunda wrote: »

Thats in Northern Ireland btw.

You should do a bit more reading tbf. I personally would advocate for free range systems. But your description is wrong. Pigs are not "crammed in on top of each other in boxes".

This is a working indoor system in the UK. which as in Ireland must meet statutory stocking controls

https://youtu.be/5zifDcGVaKE?t=2m49s

Where there are incidents of poor animal welfare - that should be dealt with. Not used as a stick to beat others with ...

As you can see there are major variations on how pigs are kept.

The problem with the videos used by extremist organisations such as Wake! Is that they use the worst examples of the pig rearing sector and edit them to suit their narrative that all farming is like. Its not.

The other big issue with those videos is that they show animal cruelty but only for the shock value. They do nothing to help those animals they are filming Just make money via YouTube etc from the videos. I dont agree with that at all and I dont support Cruelty to animals anywhere.

auspicious

auspicious wrote: »

Milk has become such a persuasive product by the industry market targeting children or potential insecurities of parents. We never learned about other sources of calcium; the misconception that if we didn't drink milk we were missing something. But that's a tired selling point these days.
Essential part of a balanced diet! It was/is so ubiquitous it wasn't/isn't questioned. Through the power of advertising it has become so deeply ingrained.
The U.S. National Dairy Council recognizes that foods like kale, bok choy, and broccoli all have higher rates of calcium absorption than milk. 
Two tablespoons dried ground basil 220 mg of calcium, 1 cup milk 240mg.
Why don't we know this? Agricultural lobbyists. Government supporting agriculture; dietary guidelines, to date.
They're big business. Like any good business their bottom line is profit.

Had a quick look on google and even with lower absorption rates milk still has more calcium than broccoli and a lot more than kale. Also easier to get a child to drink 100g of milk than eat 100g of broccoli.

The whole point of having a balanced diet is you eat both and then don't have to worry about RDA's etc.

gozunda

richie123 wrote: »

Agree with you there.vast majority don't give a **** where there food comes from..so long long as it's cheap.

I'd agree with that. And its all types of food. Vegetable, arable and animal products. Producers here are going out of business because people want cheap out of season food all year round. I dont think its always deliberate though - sometimes its lack of proper information as well.

https://stopfoodwaste.ie/resources/planning-shopping/seasonal-calendar-planning-shopping[/ufl]

NcdJd

jh79 wrote: »

Had a quick look on google and even with lower absorption rates milk still has more calcium than broccoli and a lot more than kale. Also easier to get a child to drink 100g of milk than eat 100g of broccoli.

The whole point of having a balanced diet is you eat both and then don't have to worry about RDA's etc.

Bit off topic but here is commercial Broccoli production, or name of the crop which is Calabrese. Just in case anyone thinks that by eating Broccoli rather than having the glass of milk is anyway more harmful to the environment. No biodiversity whatsoever in these fields. And thats plastic netting by the way.

Calabrese used to be a cash crop for vegetable farmers, I think there is only one grower left in the country? ( The grower in the attached photos gave it up this year. )

Edit, just my point here is that all food production needs to be looked at in my view from an environmental view point. Food getting cheaper and cheaper, small producers whether plant or animal being squeezed out of business in favour of industrial type farming. Not good for the environment or biodiversity.

auspicious

It's utterly amazing that a comparison is being made that a cat playing with a mouse is similar to the disgusting systematic abuse, cruelty, torture and inhumane suffering of those poor pigs in the video which was filmed in this country. Mercilessly exploited to within an inch of their life and beyond in metal and concrete prisons for the useless goal of an uneccessary product.
It's filmed behind 'frosted glass' and without anyone to stand up for them and say no this is not right it would continue out of sight, out of mind.

And so what about cats? Where did they come from and why are they there?
Again the problem lies at society's feet. The rampant feral population 200,000 strong in number is a result of our domestication of the species and the general couldn't give a **** attitude most people hold regarding their health and the health of biodiversity impacted.
If you care write to your TD, campaign for a humane solution to our problem and stricter controls on pet ownership. But also equally campaign to end the complete horror show that is reality that those pigs are forced to endure. From their perspective we are monsters. If you see it and do nothing about it, you agree with it.

richie123

auspicious wrote: »

It's utterly amazing that a comparison is being made that a cat playing with a mouse is similar to the disgusting systematic abuse, cruelty, torture and inhumane suffering of those poor pigs in the video which was filmed in this country. Mercilessly exploited to within an inch of their life and beyond in metal and concrete prisons for the useless goal of an uneccessary product.
It's filmed behind 'frosted glass' and without anyone to stand up for them and say no this is not right it would continue out of sight, out of mind.

And so what about cats? Where did they come from and why are they there?
Again the problem lies at society's feet. The rampant feral population 200,000 strong in number is a result of our domestication of the species and the general couldn't give a **** attitude most people hold regarding their health and the health of biodiversity impacted.
If you care write to your TD, campaign for a humane solution to our problem and stricter controls on pet ownership. But also equally campaign to end the complete horror show that is reality that those pigs are forced to endure. From their perspective we are monsters. If you see it and do nothing about it, you agree with it.

I'm glad you find it amazing.you cant cherrypick what your horrified by because it's hypocritical.
The pet industry relies heavily on the meat industry for petfood.
So going by your beliefs we should ban that also.

auspicious

We should rescue and adopt. Shelters are full. Buying and trading animals only perpetuates and exacerbates the problem. Breeding more just creates more reliance on the meat industry. And where there is a demand unscrupulous ****ers will operate outside of guidelines and law to profiteer.
The money spent on buying pets could go a long way to helping out organisations sheltering those cast aside.
It's selfish.
ISPCA says 30 dogs a day are abandoned or approx 11,000 a year in Ireland.
https://www.ispca.ie/news/detail/numbers_of_dog_adoptions_on_the_rise_but_30_dogs_a_day_are_abandoned

Grim statistics
Between 100,000 and 200,000 pets are abandoned in France each year, with 60% of these incidents occurring over the summer.

By comparison, the RSPCA animal charity told the BBC that the figure is close to 16,000 in the UK.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-53677571

DONATE AND ADOPT. Don't shop.

Thelonious Monk

richie123 wrote: »

I'm glad you find it amazing.you cant cherrypick what your horrified by because it's hypocritical.
The pet industry relies heavily on the meat industry for petfood.
So going by your beliefs we should ban that also.

Much like everything else the unfettered growth of pet dog population is something that needs to be looked at sooner or later.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dogs-environment-cats-pets-food-meat_n_5be94743e4b0e84388999f40

I’ve never understood any ‘argument’ that involves ‘well it’s not happening in this country’ (even though it is.)

Like I’ve said before that attitude condones all sorts of behaviour

in some countries raping your wife is legal.

In some countries you can be sentenced to death if you are gay

In some countries it’s legal for a 50 year old man to have sex (I assume it’s really rape) a 13 year old girl

What kind of person is only concerned about WHERE these things happen ?

Tilikum17

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I’ve never understood any ‘argument’ that involves ‘well it’s not happening in this country’ (even though it is.)

Like I’ve said before that attitude condones all sorts of behaviour

in some countries raping your wife is legal.

In some countries you can be sentenced to death if you are gay

In some countries it’s legal for a 50 year old man to have sex (I assume it’s really rape) a 13 year old girl

What kind of person is only concerned about WHERE these things happen ?

You’re wasting your time.

Tilikum17

Tilikum17 wrote: »

You’re wasting your time.

Because people are baiting and not genuine ?

Or because people make their money in that way ?

Or any other reason ?

Tilikum17

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Because people are baiting and not genuine ?

Or because people make their money in that way ?

Or any other reason ?

You keep replying to a “farmer” that’s been called out on his obsession by both farmers and non meat eaters on boards in the past. A person that spends every waking hour on this forum because people keep replying to him. There’s isn’t a farmer on the planet that has that much spare time.

If everyone would just put him/her on ignore you be much better off.

If it’s true that there are trolls on the forum then hopefully a new and more active mod can single them out.

I’ve started a thread in the help desk to request a new moderator that has an active interest in the forum.

Not sure what the process is though.

Tilikum17

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If it’s true that there are trolls on the forum then hopefully a new and more active mod can single them out.

I’ve started a thread in the help desk to request a new moderator that has an active interest in the forum.

Not sure what the process is though.

I don’t think he/she is a troll, I just think there’s an unhealthy obcession with all things vegan. A adult who goes sending pms to mods because he/she can’t post in vegan threads.

At one stage I looked at their last 50 posts on boards. This “farmer” had 49 posts in the vegan forum and one post in the farming forum - which was about vegans.

That’s when I put them on ignore.

gozunda

Tilikum17 wrote: »

I don’t think he/she is a troll, I just think there’s an unhealthy obcession with all things vegan. A adult who goes sending pms to mods because he/she can’t post in vegan threads. At one stage I looked at their last 50 posts on boards. This “farmer” had 49 posts in the vegan forum and one post in the farming forum - which was about vegans.That’s when I put them on ignore.

Jaysus lads have ye nothing better to do? And yet another thread derailed having a go ...

But to answer.

Tbf its not a good look taking random pot shots at others simply because some dont agree with them. Tbh that comes across as all a bit obsessive.

Btw exactly how the hell would anyone know if anyone is sending "pm" to mods? Seriously that's bs. You're mainly making ****e up at this stage tbf.

Considering the amount of farm and agriculture threads in this forum - are you really surprised when those who know about these subjects comment on them? Or are you saying freedom of expression only belongs to the select few?


Edit:
Just remembered Tilikum17 - you posted previously in the farming forum on threads there

gozunda

Anyway back on topic ...

Don't fall foul of big industry propaganda and others...

Looks like we might need to consider thats its not just traditional food production sectors who can be accused of 'propaganda'

"They're big business. Like any good business their bottom line is profit."

the other type of greenwashing can be a bit harder to spot and is far more insidious. This is where companies and brands use words like ‘green’, ‘sustainable’, ‘eco-friendly’, or ‘vegan’ simply as a marketing ploy, without any deep interrogation over what those terms actually mean. And crucially - without any accountability for their actions.

https://www.euronews.com/living/2020/09/09/what-is-greenwashing-and-why-is-it-a-problem

Interesting article looking at some of the claims being used to flogg certain products by large marketing campaigns

https://www.nutritionadvance.com/vegan-propaganda-and-meat/