Covid War Game - How does it end?

Liberalbrehon

I'd be interested to see if anyone has an idea of how Covid-19 ends or if it does? I can't see other threads covering this angle. This isn't just about Ireland.

1) Covid-19 disappears like Spanish flu in a couple of years. how?
a) mutates and for a six month to 1yr period burns its self out by killing to many to sustain itself. - World loses control in 2021/22 but slowly returns to normal by 2025
b) mutates to be less severe - World returns to normal when severity decreases, no deaths, much reduced hospital visits, maybe only immunocompromised people at risk. Eventually covid-19 disappears
c) Vaccines prove to be highly effective 80% in stopping the spread. - World goes back to pre-covid-19 days by 2022/23. Covid-19 disappears. (IDEAL scenario)

2) Covid-19 stays and re-infections become more common, each time making people weaker until it eventually kills people by "death from a thousand cuts"

3) Covid-19 stays but vaccine helps to mitigate its spread 50% but mass events can't happen again.

4) Covid-19 stays, vaccines just aren't working as effectively as we'd hope, 20%
a) If this happens, then we really are in trouble. Consequences
i) Money markets can't lend anymore because economies are not recovering enough. Budgets become brutal. high tax, low services. Makes 2010 look like a cake walk.
ii) Young people revolt as they have no stake in society
iii) Society begins to break down as inequality increases.
iv) Governments slowly losing control, extreme groups form to take control of regions or countries.
v) People are left to their own devices to survive. hospital access is limited to wealthier in society. (this section seems a bit like USA as it is)
vi) People accept the situation, pay higher taxes to pay off money markets, we continue wearing masks etc for a long time. We accept we are poorer for a long time. World doesn't begin to recover until 2030's or 40's.

Basically if covid-19 is still here in 2030, then our society and world seem a lot different to 2019. Thoughts?

Bear in mind 2020's events that could compound situation.
Severe weather events
China / American conflict that spirals to other countries or other conflict spirals out of control
AI/big tech takes control of our lives more
food and supply chains become strained or partially collapse.

Please let me know if you have positive view of how things will work out over next two-ten years of covid-19?

hmmm

Rapid testing, vaccines and new treatments will beat this back in 2021. Most people will notice this from about mid-year as vaccines become widely available and you can't move without getting tested.

We have a dangerous Winter in front of us. Even with lockdowns we might not be able to control this. We know how it spreads though, so many people will avoid taking risks.

I think we will have obvious safety measures (e.g. masks) for quite a while, but once we are no longer at risk of hospitals getting over-run people's mentality will change and things will reopen back to close to normal. It will be a while however before we can reopen locations which are at risk of large spread e.g. there will be limits on mass events and the numbers of people who can gather indoors until 2022.

Economies will recover quickly and a wave of entrepreneurship will be unleashed in mid to late 2022. There is a wall of money looking for investments, and people will want to spend after 18 months of being restricted.

We won't have another 200 person wedding before 2023, and thank god for that.

In 2024 we will get the second generation vaccines which will give long-term immunity.

Ten of Swords

Moved to conspiracy theories. Read the local charter before posting

Overheal

Mode note: not a conspiracy (and didn't belong in Covid forum) but we could expand on these points:

China / American conflict that spirals to other countries or other conflict spirals out of control
AI/big tech takes control of our lives more
food and supply chains become strained or partially collapse.

Or any other conspiracies people want to chime about, along with if you think it will just die out naturally or whatever

4068ac1elhodqr

For much of the post-covid era complex, multifaceted and wide ranging (Reset) plans are already in motion, 'folks just don't know it yet':
https://www.weforum.org/

In context of a new industrial reveloution (post-digital), Chinese dominance (+7%GDP2020), fall of the EU (brexit), near civil war in US, West to East global wealth shifts, increased wealth gaps (bn'aires are creaming it this year so far), mass migration patterns (via Turkey, Med & Mexico's borders) and more localised wave of brexitious SME bankruptcies/defaults after Q4....

We're likely going to see the biggest global changes since WW2 from the new year. Growth of UBI, cessation of cash (Gold heading to $4k), some liberties removed, widespread low-skilled human redundancy thanks to this new effective automation, and remote zero-hour gig-working trend.

https://intelligence.weforum.org/topics/a1G0X000006O6EHUA0?tab=data

Not all bad news, folks will wake up to what's important (the simple things).
As far as the China Virus, further mutations to a weaker but wider saturation type strain, taking out only the very elderly or infirm(PHC).
Slow but gradual herd immunity, anyone choosing to remain obese (+200%risk), smoke, junk eating or lazy will do so at their own personal risk.
25% (obese) of the population(+) will need to rethink their current health lifesstyles, sharpish.

1c) Vaccines (at best in the mid-term) will never reach anywhere near 80% effectiveness, and may pose their own risks when delivered en masse, via EUA to 8bn (multi-dosage) within 18mths, instead of the normal 10-15yrs for this genre of virus.

Perhaps one signal of what's to come is this recent uk advert:

iLikeWaffles

Everyone listens to public health advice and gets on top of the spread. A 1 month worldwide lockdown begins on the 1st of January 2021 amid concerns about the growing number of people turning to confirmation bias instead of just doing what they are asked to do. Those found outdoors are quarantined and tested, if found to positive they are forcibly quarantined if negative they are put to work helping everyone who is complying with the lockdown. Virus disappears as nobody has any physical interaction with any other person other than those wearing fully suited PPE and those in their household. Everything a household needs for the 4 week lockdown is delivered to their door by courier services and the highest safety precautions are taken to insure no spread is passed. Those with no home are given accommodation for the 4 week period and or given a home.

Liberalbrehon

iLikeWaffles wrote: »

Everyone listens to public health advice and gets on top of the spread. A 1 month worldwide lockdown begins on the 1st of January 2021 amid concerns about the growing number of people turning to confirmation bias instead of just doing what they are asked to do. Those found outdoors are quarantined and tested, if found to positive they are forcibly quarantined if negative they are put to work helping everyone who is complying with the lockdown. Virus disappears as nobody has any physical interaction with any other person other than those wearing fully suited PPE and those in their household. Everything a household needs for the 4 week lockdown is delivered to their door by courier services and the highest safety precautions are taken to insure no spread is passed. Those with no home are given accommodation for the 4 week period and or given a home.

It might come to that, as/if options run out, might be Jan 2022.

Liberalbrehon

https://www.popsci.com/story/health/coronavirus-last-forever/
could be around for long time

harrylittle

qoute ; I want to provide you some very important information. I’m a committee member within the Liberal Party of Canada. I sit within several committee groups but the information I am providing is originating from the Strategic Planning committee (which is steered by the PMO).

I need to start off by saying that I’m not happy doing this but I have to. As a Canadian and more importantly as a parent who wants a better future not only for my children but for other children as well. The other reason I am doing this is because roughly 30% of the committee members are not pleased with the direction this will take Canada, but our opinions have been ignored and they plan on moving forward toward their goals. They have also made it very clear that nothing will stop the planned outcomes.

The road map and aim was set out by the PMO and is as follows:

– Phase in secondary lock down restrictions on a rolling basis, starting with major metropolitan areas first and expanding outward. Expected by November 2020.
– Rush the acquisition of (or construction of) isolation facilities across every province and territory. Expected by December 2020.
– Daily new cases of COVID-19 will surge beyond capacity of testing, including increases in COVID related deaths following the same growth curves. Expected by end of November 2020.
– Complete and total secondary lock down (much stricter than the first and second rolling phase restrictions). Expected by end of December 2020 – early January 2021
– Reform and expansion of the unemployment program to be transitioned into the universal basic income program. Expected by Q1 2021.
– Projected COVID-19 mutation and/or co-infection with secondary virus (referred to as COVID-21) leading to a third wave with much higher mortality rate and higher rate of infection. Expected by February 2021.
– Daily new cases of COVID-21 hospitalizations and COVID-19 and COVID-21 related deaths will exceed medical care facilities capacity. Expected Q1 – Q2 2021.
– Enhanced lock down restrictions (referred to as Third Lock Down) will be implemented. Full travel restrictions will be imposed (including inter-province and inter-city). Expected Q2 2021.
– Transitioning of individuals into the universal basic income program. Expected mid Q2 2021.
– Projected supply chain break downs, inventory shortages, large economic instability. Expected late Q2 2021.
– Deployment of military personnel into major metropolitan areas as well as all major roadways to establish travel checkpoints. Restrict travel and movement. Provide logistical support to the area. Expected by Q3 2021.

Along with that provided road map the Strategic Planning committee was asked to design an effective way of transitioning Canadians to meet a unprecedented economic endeavor. One that would change the face of Canada and forever alter the lives of Canadians. What we were told was that in order to offset what was essentially an economic collapse on a international scale, that the federal government was going to offer Canadians a total debt relief. This is how it works: the federal government will offer to eliminate all personal debts (mortgages, loans, credit cards, etc) which all funding will be provided
to Canada by the IMF under what will become known as the World Debt Reset program. In exchange for acceptance of this total debt forgiveness the individual would forfeit ownership of any and all property and assets forever. The individual would also have to agree to partake in the COVID-19 and COVID-21 vaccination schedule, which would provide the individual with unrestricted travel and unrestricted living even under a full lock down (through the use of photo identification referred to as Canada’s HealthPass) .

Committee members asked who would become the owner of the forfeited property and assets in that scenario and what would happen to lenders or financial institutions, we were simply told “the World Debt Reset program will handle all of the details”. Several committee members also questioned what would happen to individuals if they refused to participate in the World Debt Reset program, or the HealthPass, or the vaccination schedule, and the answer we got was very troubling. Essentially we were told it was our duty to make sure we came up with a plan to ensure that would never happen. We were told it was in the individuals best interest to participate. When several committee members pushed relentlessly to get an answer we were told that those who refused would first live under the lock down restrictions indefinitely. And that over a short period of time as more Canadians transitioned into the debt forgiveness program, the ones who refused to participate would be deemed a public safety risk and would be relocated into isolation facilities. Once in those facilities they would be given two options, participate in the debt forgiveness program and be released, or stay indefinitely in the isolation facility under the classification of a serious public health risk and have all their assets seized.

So as you can imagine after hearing all of this it turned into quite the heated discussion and escalated beyond anything I’ve ever witnessed before. In the end it was implied by the PMO that the whole agenda will move forward no matter who agrees with it or not. That it wont just be Canada but in fact all nations will have similar roadmaps and agendas. That we need to take advantage of the situations before us to promote change on a grander scale for the betterment of everyone. The members who were opposed and ones who brought up key issues that would arise from such a thing were completely ignored. Our opinions and concerns were ignored. We were simply told to just do it.

mikekerry

harrylittle wrote: »

qoute ; I want to provide you some very important information. I’m a committee member within the Liberal Party of Canada. I sit within several committee groups but the information I am providing is originating from the Strategic Planning committee (which is steered by the PMO).

I need to start off by saying that I’m not happy doing this but I have to. As a Canadian and more importantly as a parent who wants a better future not only for my children but for other children as well. The other reason I am doing this is because roughly 30% of the committee members are not pleased with the direction this will take Canada, but our opinions have been ignored and they plan on moving forward toward their goals. They have also made it very clear that nothing will stop the planned outcomes.

The road map and aim was set out by the PMO and is as follows:

– Phase in secondary lock down restrictions on a rolling basis, starting with major metropolitan areas first and expanding outward. Expected by November 2020.
– Rush the acquisition of (or construction of) isolation facilities across every province and territory. Expected by December 2020.
– Daily new cases of COVID-19 will surge beyond capacity of testing, including increases in COVID related deaths following the same growth curves. Expected by end of November 2020.
– Complete and total secondary lock down (much stricter than the first and second rolling phase restrictions). Expected by end of December 2020 – early January 2021
– Reform and expansion of the unemployment program to be transitioned into the universal basic income program. Expected by Q1 2021.
– Projected COVID-19 mutation and/or co-infection with secondary virus (referred to as COVID-21) leading to a third wave with much higher mortality rate and higher rate of infection. Expected by February 2021.
– Daily new cases of COVID-21 hospitalizations and COVID-19 and COVID-21 related deaths will exceed medical care facilities capacity. Expected Q1 – Q2 2021.
– Enhanced lock down restrictions (referred to as Third Lock Down) will be implemented. Full travel restrictions will be imposed (including inter-province and inter-city). Expected Q2 2021.
– Transitioning of individuals into the universal basic income program. Expected mid Q2 2021.
– Projected supply chain break downs, inventory shortages, large economic instability. Expected late Q2 2021.
– Deployment of military personnel into major metropolitan areas as well as all major roadways to establish travel checkpoints. Restrict travel and movement. Provide logistical support to the area. Expected by Q3 2021.

Along with that provided road map the Strategic Planning committee was asked to design an effective way of transitioning Canadians to meet a unprecedented economic endeavor. One that would change the face of Canada and forever alter the lives of Canadians. What we were told was that in order to offset what was essentially an economic collapse on a international scale, that the federal government was going to offer Canadians a total debt relief. This is how it works: the federal government will offer to eliminate all personal debts (mortgages, loans, credit cards, etc) which all funding will be provided
to Canada by the IMF under what will become known as the World Debt Reset program. In exchange for acceptance of this total debt forgiveness the individual would forfeit ownership of any and all property and assets forever. The individual would also have to agree to partake in the COVID-19 and COVID-21 vaccination schedule, which would provide the individual with unrestricted travel and unrestricted living even under a full lock down (through the use of photo identification referred to as Canada’s HealthPass) .

Committee members asked who would become the owner of the forfeited property and assets in that scenario and what would happen to lenders or financial institutions, we were simply told “the World Debt Reset program will handle all of the details”. Several committee members also questioned what would happen to individuals if they refused to participate in the World Debt Reset program, or the HealthPass, or the vaccination schedule, and the answer we got was very troubling. Essentially we were told it was our duty to make sure we came up with a plan to ensure that would never happen. We were told it was in the individuals best interest to participate. When several committee members pushed relentlessly to get an answer we were told that those who refused would first live under the lock down restrictions indefinitely. And that over a short period of time as more Canadians transitioned into the debt forgiveness program, the ones who refused to participate would be deemed a public safety risk and would be relocated into isolation facilities. Once in those facilities they would be given two options, participate in the debt forgiveness program and be released, or stay indefinitely in the isolation facility under the classification of a serious public health risk and have all their assets seized.

So as you can imagine after hearing all of this it turned into quite the heated discussion and escalated beyond anything I’ve ever witnessed before. In the end it was implied by the PMO that the whole agenda will move forward no matter who agrees with it or not. That it wont just be Canada but in fact all nations will have similar roadmaps and agendas. That we need to take advantage of the situations before us to promote change on a grander scale for the betterment of everyone. The members who were opposed and ones who brought up key issues that would arise from such a thing were completely ignored. Our opinions and concerns were ignored. We were simply told to just do it.

You work in the Liberal Party of Canada and are on boards. Ie. Right!

harrylittle

note the first word ... quote ... as in its a quote from this person

mikekerry

harrylittle wrote: »

note the first word ... quote ... as in its a quote from this person

Aplogies . Didn't see that.
Where did you see this?

harrylittle

https://thecanadianreport.ca/is-this-leaked-memo-really-trudeaus-covid-plan-for-2021-you-decide/

Dohnjoe

harrylittle wrote: »

https://thecanadianreport.ca/is-this-leaked-memo-really-trudeaus-covid-plan-for-2021-you-decide/

Lol, it's hilarious

"They have also made it very clear that nothing will stop the planned outcomes."

"the federal government will offer to eliminate all personal debts (mortgages, loans, credit cards, etc) which all funding will be provided
to Canada by the IMF under what will become known as the World Debt Reset program”

"Once in those facilities they would be given two options, participate in the debt forgiveness program and be released, or stay indefinitely in the isolation facility under the classification of a serious public health risk and have all their assets seized."

iLikeWaffles

The Irish Freedom Party are extremely prominent in anything to do with restrictions. They are just using COVID to create a friction among the population not only here but around Europe. Extremely dangerous to be politically motivated were a serious threat to the health and safety and the mental well being of the larger population is very much hanging in the balance. You want a conspiracy there it is right there, go look up for yourselves everything the Irish Freedom Party have been involved with around COVID, its members are all over Facebook posting propaganda about restrictions and fuelling the spread, they themselves are the main cause of those restrictions by not participating like the rest of the country has being doing. They are being allowed to do so because of the incompetence of this 3 party Government currently in power. If Tony Holohan's advice was taken 15 days ago we would not be in the situation we are currently in and we would be 2 weeks remaining on a lockdown which is now inevitable going be in place if not this week then next but it will be for a longer period than recommended.

DaSilva

I've heard two well respected scientists propose the idea that sars-cov-2 eventually joins the other coronaviruses in being a common cold virus.

Here is an article on the idea that maybe the 1889–1890 "Russian flu" pandemic might have actually been the initial introduction of the OC43 coronavirus to the population which is now a common cold virus. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7252012/

harrylittle

iLikeWaffles wrote: »

The Irish Freedom Party are extremely prominent in anything to do with restrictions. They are just using COVID to create a friction among the population not only here but around Europe. Extremely dangerous to be politically motivated were a serious threat to the health and safety and the mental well being of the larger population is very much hanging in the balance. You want a conspiracy there it is right there, go look up for yourselves everything the Irish Freedom Party have been involved with around COVID, its members are all over Facebook posting propaganda about restrictions and fuelling the spread, they themselves are the main cause of those restrictions by not participating like the rest of the country has being doing. They are being allowed to do so because of the incompetence of this 3 party Government currently in power. If Tony Holohan's advice was taken 15 days ago we would not be in the situation we are currently in and we would be 2 weeks remaining on a lockdown which is now inevitable going be in place if not this week then next but it will be for a longer period than recommended.

You have no clue ... this is a planned pandemic .... there will be a lock down .... with or without any cases

Dohnjoe

harrylittle wrote: »

You have no clue ... this is a planned pandemic .... there will be a lock down .... with or without any cases

Okay, planned by who (exactly) and for what purpose?

(I should start doing a count on how many times I ask this and never receive a proper answer, must be well up into double-digits now)

iLikeWaffles

harrylittle wrote: »

You have no clue ... this is a planned pandemic .... there will be a lock down .... with or without any cases

Please do enlighten use then! Why, who and how is it planned.

If you can't enlighten us then there is a fundamental flaw in what you believe first off. Secondly you are falling for the propaganda the Irish Freedom Party are selling you.

It is really good to be sceptical but if you are not going to listen to reason then you shouldn't be posting any content that challenges that reasoning without being prepared to defend your position.

This is really important... how in the name of jaysus will there be a lockdown without any cases? How can you or anyone know that there will or won't be a lockdown without any cases. There was a day or two back June or July where there was very little cases for a good few weeks. Was there a lockdown?? Is there countries that have zero cases that are currently in lockdown?? Tell me something else am I going to win the lottery tonight, am I going to meet soul mate in 2 weeks time. Give it over!!

Liberalbrehon

I just want to be clear. I am not a conspiracy person. My OP was to question what are the possible scenarios for how covid ends or doesn't end. I am hoping a happy ending. Vaccines work, virus dies out, back to normal. I'm not sure if that will happen or not. If not what are the other possible scenarios. Because Mod put this into conspiracy forum (don't know why), the scenarios coming out are quite creative.
There are geopolitical/technological scenarios that will/are materializing in 2020's that could impact or be compounded by covid-19. These aren't conspiracy theories but documented events/trends.

Has a conspiracy theorist ever admitted they were wrong?

iLikeWaffles

Liberalbrehon wrote: »

I just want to be clear. I am not a conspiracy person. My OP was to question what are the possible scenarios for how covid ends or doesn't end. I am hoping a happy ending. Vaccines work, virus dies out, back to normal. I'm not sure if that will happen or not. If not what are the other possible scenarios. Because Mod put this into conspiracy forum (don't know why), the scenarios coming out are quite creative.
There are geopolitical/technological scenarios that will/are materializing in 2020's that could impact or be compounded by covid-19. These aren't conspiracy theories but documented events/trends.

Has a conspiracy theorist ever admitted they were wrong?

All true: what I'm saying is that the Irish Freedom Party are playing a very dangerous game with people for political gain. They're planning a movement and creating a following by manipulating and using that following for their main goal, an Irish exit from Europe. These are also documented events and trends.

harrylittle

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Okay, planned by who (exactly) and for what purpose?

(I should start doing a count on how many times I ask this and never receive a proper answer, must be well up into double-digits now)

Spiritually ... planned by the anti christ ... to bring in his mark of the beast system.

physically ... china / elite ... using UN / WHO ... giving orders to governments worldwide what to do ... they want to crash economies ... bring in there cashless banking system...tehnological control of society .... called the great reset ... un agenda 2030

"The World Economic Forum’s Great Reset initiative seeks new ideas in order to use this unique moment in history provided by the disruption to economics, politics and our everyday life to catalyze a new approach to how our societies are run."

Dohnjoe

harrylittle wrote: »

Spiritually ... planned by the anti christ ... to bring in his mark of the beast system.

physically ... china / elite ... using UN / WHO ... giving orders to governments worldwide what to do ... they want to crash economies ... bring in there cashless banking system...tehnological control of society .... called the great reset ... un agenda 2030

Okay, why?

4068ac1elhodqr

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Okay, why?

Simples: Control.

There are other complimentry factors: The coming mass redundancy of human resources, growing wealth inequality, growing over-population, growing pollution, growing civil unrest, divide and so on.

Nearly every state leader on the planet looks at what China has acheived in very little time (even their pandemic is producing 7%+GDP for 2020). If you can't beat them (their socio-economic model), join them.

Don't worry about the 1m Uighurs, Tibet, Tiawan an so on, look at the sheer wealth, efficency, low crime and control over massive populations, all busy QRCode scanning themselves to scramble to the top of a Social Point Scoring leaderboard system.

Estrella Red Tart

Estrella Red Tart wrote: »

Simples: Control.

And is this because Satan is secretly in charge of them all? Or is he like possessing some people or is it more like just telepathically beaming orders to them?

harrylittle

harrylittle wrote: »

Spiritually ... planned by the anti christ ... to bring in his mark of the beast system.

physically ... china / elite ... using UN / WHO ... giving orders to governments worldwide what to do ... they want to crash economies ... bring in there cashless banking system...tehnological control of society .... called the great reset ... un agenda 2030

"The World Economic Forum’s Great Reset initiative seeks new ideas in order to use this unique moment in history provided by the disruption to economics, politics and our everyday life to catalyze a new approach to how our societies are run."

So what happened when you guys were claiming all of this in the last pandemic?
Were you wrong then but right now?

And what about the time before that?
And the one before that when Reagan was the antichrist and barcodes were going to be the mark of the beast?

iLikeWaffles

harrylittle wrote: »

Spiritually ... planned by the anti christ ... to bring in his mark of the beast system.

physically ... china / elite ... using UN / WHO ... giving orders to governments worldwide what to do ... they want to crash economies ... bring in there cashless banking system...tehnological control of society .... called the great reset ... un agenda 2030

"The World Economic Forum’s Great Reset initiative seeks new ideas in order to use this unique moment in history provided by the disruption to economics, politics and our everyday life to catalyze a new approach to how our societies are run."

The "end of days" are not about living in fear as the Bible would make it out to be. It is about repenting so you can "come into the kingdom of God and Jesus Christ" where you will exist for eternity. The message in the Bible is this: it is the Fate of Humanity so you have 2 choices repent or burn in hell.

There is zero mention of the word "antichrist" in the Book of Revelation, there is plenty of beasts, dragons, harlots, demons, and satanic legions but the word antichrist does not exist. There is lots of mention of an antichrist in the Bible, what does the word mean fundamentally? It means those who deny Christ, his teachings, those who perpetrate heresy, error and false teaching.

If you actually read the Bible you'll find that this antichrist you think exists or will exist as an individual is nothing more than societies denial of Jesus and has nothing to do with COVID-19.

Dohnjoe

Estrella Red Tart wrote: »

Simples: Control.

So there's a simple answer as to why the "anti-Christ" is behind all this..

Is there a date on all this, when Beelzebub "takes over" or is it at a mysterious point just around the corner?

Dohnjoe

King Mob wrote: »

And is this because Satan is secretly in charge of them all? Or is he like possessing some people or is it more like just telepathically beaming orders to them?

Why does Satan or the "anti-Christ" need all these convoluted plans, why doesn't it just use whatever magic powers to do whatever?

Or is there some artificial balance in all this for the sake of a plot like a Disney movie?

iLikeWaffles

harrylittle wrote: »

Spiritually ... planned by the anti christ ... to bring in his mark of the beast system.

physically ... china / elite ... using UN / WHO ... giving orders to governments worldwide what to do ... they want to crash economies ... bring in there cashless banking system...tehnological control of society .... called the great reset ... un agenda 2030

"The World Economic Forum’s Great Reset initiative seeks new ideas in order to use this unique moment in history provided by the disruption to economics, politics and our everyday life to catalyze a new approach to how our societies are run."

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Okay, why?

Estrella Red Tart wrote: »

Simples: Control.

There are other complimentry factors: The coming mass redundancy of human resources, growing wealth inequality, growing over-population, growing pollution, growing civil unrest, divide and so on.

Nearly every state leader on the planet looks at what China has acheived in very little time (even their pandemic is producing 7%+GDP for 2020). If you can't beat them (their socio-economic model), join them.

Don't worry about the 1m Uighurs, Tibet, Tiawan an so on, look at the sheer wealth, efficency, low crime and control over massive populations, all busy QRCode scanning themselves to scramble to the top of a Social Point Scoring leaderboard system.

There is a discrepancy here!

4068ac1elhodqr

Dohnjoe wrote: »

So there's a simple answer as to why the "anti-Christ" is behind all this..

Haven't stated this, you or someone else has (diversion tactic).

Control of course is a 'human factor'.
Fine in very small quantities, however too much has very negative effects.

N'Kor, CCP are, & Adolf were all about total control.
Same for the USSR, only difference was they likely spelt it Kontrol.

Dohnjoe

Estrella Red Tart wrote: »

Haven't stated this, you or someone else has (diversion tactic).

Not a diversion tactic.

A poster claimed that the antichrist was behind all this, so I asked why. You then stepped in and answered it "why" on their behalf.

You didn't challenge their view, you simply transferred it to your view - very telling

Estrella Red Tart

Estrella Red Tart wrote: »

Haven't stated this, you or someone else has (diversion tactic).

If it is a diversion tactic, all you have to do is state "No, I don't believe in that idea."

But you won't do this directly and clearly because you do believe this notion. You just won't admit it because you understand that stating such a thing will put off the vast majority of potential readers.

But for some reason and despite your continued dishonesty evasiveness about your position you seem to not be willing to just out right lie about your position.

I believe that this is a result of your religious beliefs that would not allow you to deny your true position, but allows you to justify other dishonest behavior.

Again, if this isn't the case, then all you have to do is state your position clearly, simply and without evasive weasel words.

If you're not willing to do this, when your whinging about "diversion tactics" is just hypocritical.

4068ac1elhodqr

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Not a diversion tactic.
A poster claimed that the antichrist was behind all this, to which I asked why. You then stepped in and answered "why" on their behalf.

You responded to my answer (see above), with skygods something something.
When you were told already 'control' is a human factor.

Also, they already answered the question, which you ignored.
There is you and the king bob lad (on my ignore list) that fail to listen to answers, and only ever repeat the same tired questions.
You now have two answers to ponder it seems.

iLikeWaffles

Estrella Red Tart wrote: »

You responded to my answer (see above), with skygods something something.
When you were told already 'control' is a human factor.

Also, they already answered the question, which you ignored.
There is you and the king bob lad (on my ignore list) that fail to listen to answers, and only ever repeat the same tired questions.
You now have two answers to ponder it seems.

Ignore list? Go figure!

Dohnjoe

Estrella Red Tart wrote: »

Also, they already answered the question, which you ignored.

Nope, you need to reread the thread.

Someone has a theory that the "antichrist" is behind all this, to which I asked why, that poster didn't respond. But you did.

I'll ask again in the post after this, you don't need to write on "behalf" of someone else who believes in this antichrist stuff

Dohnjoe

harrylittle wrote: »

Spiritually ... planned by the anti christ ... to bring in his mark of the beast system.

Why?

harrylittle

Because its the last test of mankind before Jesus's return to earth

Estrella Red Tart

Estrella Red Tart wrote: »

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There is you and the king bob lad (on my ignore list) that fail to listen to answers, and only ever repeat the same tired questions.

You still seem to be having issues with confusing the letters M and B.

And we only ask the same question because you continually dodge and deflect from it.
It's relevant because it seems to be the core of your conspiracy beliefs.
It's also relevant because your constant dodging of it shows you aren't being honest.

harrylittle

harrylittle wrote: »

Because its the last test of mankind before Jesus's return to earth

Ok. So why were you guys wrong when you claimed this exact thing about the last pandemic?

Dohnjoe

harrylittle wrote: »

Because its the last test of mankind before Jesus's return to earth

Thanks for answering. At least you don't hide your real beliefs.

iLikeWaffles

harrylittle wrote: »

Because its the last test of mankind before Jesus's return to earth

Could you clarify 2 things. If we pass the test what happens? If we fail it what happens?

Liberalbrehon

I don't know how an OP on geopolitics and virus control turned into a Jesus returning/antichrist thread, but please stop. Debate on realities not imagination. If you want to start a thread on the antichrist and the virus go ahead.

I was watching the debate on primetime last night and it touched on several of the points I made in OP.
Dr Luke O'Neill who I had deep respect for is very optimistic about a virus but many other prominent professors are sceptical.

The great barrington letter I have no time for as they are a far-right think-tank with an agenda. Nothing to do with science.

However we are in an ethical war. Which is more just?
1)consigning families to poverty with the serious negative effects on society of that policy or
2)let a virus loose that will overrun health system, kill many, mostly older physically weaker members of society, and cause serious health problems in maybe 5% of population.

iLikeWaffles

Liberalbrehon wrote: »

I don't know how an OP on geopolitics and virus control turned into a Jesus returning/antichrist thread, but please stop. Debate on realities not imagination. If you want to start a thread on the antichrist and the virus go ahead.

I was watching the debate on primetime last night and it touched on several of the points I made in OP.
Dr Luke O'Neill who I had deep respect for is very optimistic about a virus but many other prominent professors are sceptical.

The great barrington letter I have no time for as they are a far-right think-tank with an agenda. Nothing to do with science.

However we are in an ethical war. Which is more just?
1)consigning families to poverty with the serious negative effects on society of that policy or
2)let a virus loose that will overrun health system, kill many, mostly older physically weaker members of society, and cause serious health problems in maybe 5% of population.

Heard something on radio 1 yesterday I think was related to this GBL and it was the first time of hearing of it, just caught the gist of it. The the person (and author I think) on the radio basically saying it is misconstrued and its only intent is to open up a proper debate regarding measures and the far right are taking it as gospel but the author/speaker whole heartily disagrees with everything they stand for. Have you a link to the 'letter'?

You see to what end though is it consigning families to poverty? The issue I have here with this is everyone's opinion about what is poverty is different. For instance an upper middle classed family not being able to afford to go on a shopping spree to Browne Thomas then go for lunch afterwards compared to a lower classed family having to scrape pennies together just to be able to afford to get a slice pan to see them through until the weekend or until they can get their next payment from the temporary wage subsidy scheme.

Two extreme examples but you get the point I hope. There is entirely different forms of poverty that the people of Ireland do go through regardless of COVID - which are more of an issue with COVID

Liberalbrehon

Liberalbrehon wrote: »

I don't know how an OP on geopolitics and virus control turned into a Jesus returning/antichrist thread, but please stop.

It's because a lot of the false information about certain things like health passports etc come from sources that are promoting the idea that such things are part of the "mark of the beast" idea. (Or if they aren't directly appealing to that demographic they leave it open enough that such believers can mesh their beliefs with the false information.)

Several of the conspiracy theorists on this thread also believe in this notion.
It's a surprisingly common fringe belief that has a lot of cross over with this topic. It also reared it's head in the last pandemic.

iLikeWaffles

King Mob wrote: »

It's because a lot of the false information about certain things like health passports etc come from sources that are promoting the idea that such things are part of the "mark of the beast" idea. (Or if they aren't directly appealing to that demographic they leave it open enough that such believers can mesh their beliefs with the false information.)

Several of the conspiracy theorists on this thread also believe in this notion.
It's a surprisingly common fringe belief that has a lot of cross over with this topic. It also reared it's head in the last pandemic.

Just to clarify what last pandemic?

iLikeWaffles

iLikeWaffles wrote: »

Just to clarify what last pandemic?

Take your pick.
People were claiming this stuff about SARS, Swine flu, bird flu...

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=62652791
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=61708973
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=63196604
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=62122429
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=81252132

I particularly like the title of this thread given the parallels with the current other thread about Covid.
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=62230444

harrylittle

iLikeWaffles wrote: »

Could you clarify 2 things. If we pass the test what happens? If we fail it what happens?

Make sure you don't fail the test ... think of Dante's inferno.... even if they get your head chopped off ....If you pass the test this happens quote :

New Paradise: You will be made of a pure body, incorruptible, free from disease, physical death and ageing.
Tuesday Jun 26, 2012 at 08:00 pm

My dearly beloved daughter the New Paradise has now been completed in its full glory ready for all of God’s children on earth.

It will be presented, in all its glory, just like the Paradise created by My Eternal Father for His children in the beginning.

How the angels sing and rejoice for the time to unveil this great splendour to a disbelieving world is very close.

It will be presented by Me when the New Jerusalem descends upon the earth at the ringing of My Second Coming.

You, My daughter, will be told to announce this just before I make myself known.

Only those who accept Me as the Messiah will be able to enter its magnificent gates.

Every call from Heaven will be made to reach out to all those who will still reject My great gift right up to the very last trumpet.

Then it will be too late for those poor souls. They will be beyond help after that as My Mercy will have been thrown back in My Face in outright rejection.

All that matters now is to warn all those who are in danger of losing their souls to Satan.

Gather them up My followers. Coax them gently into My flock. Never give up your prayers to salvage them.

Oh My beloved followers if you could see the New Paradise when Heaven and Earth will merge as one you would drop down on your knees and weep with joy and relief.

For those of you frightened about the end times, when the earth as you know it will change, then you must allow Me to ease your worries.

You will take your family with you and all with rejoice in pure utter love and harmony.

You will be made of a pure body, incorruptible, free from disease, physical death and ageing.

You all will have your own dwelling with grass, trees, mountains, rivers, streams and flowers surrounding you in all their glorious beauty.

Animals will be tame and live in peace and in harmony with all of God’s children.

You see your children marry, have children and the miracle of families, risen from the dead, will be witnessed by all.

This resurrection will be like no other joy imaginable.

You will be reunited with your loves ones who passed away in this life and went to Heaven.

You will have nations, twelve in total, all signified by the twelve stars in the crown on my My Mother’s Immaculate head, all of which will be governed by Me with My Apostles and Prophets.

This is My Kingdom, promised by My Father since He created Paradise on Earth. Anyone who rejects it will perish.

Pray that all of God’s children will have the purity of soul to enable them to come home to My Father’s Kingdom on Earth, as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be world without end, for ever and ever.

Your Jesus ...end qoute

iLikeWaffles

harrylittle wrote: »

Make sure you don't fail the test ... think of Dante's inferno.... even if they get your head chopped off ....If you pass the test this happens quote :

...

As a reminder:

harrylittle wrote: »

Because its the last test of mankind before Jesus's return to earth

Could you clarify 2 things. If we pass the test what happens? If we fail it what happens?

I have to ask again because you don't seem to have gotten the gist of what I've asked. Note I have not said "I" in asking these questions. I have my own beliefs which I do not feel the need to go into.