Pedigree Bulls What to do?

farmer2018

Have a mix of pedigree bulls left from 28 months to 35 months that haven't sold due to the bad year. Don't really want to keep them for the winter. What to do mart or factory job? Don't want to give them away either.

patsy_mccabe

I feel your pain. I had to 'give away' 2 PBR bulls in the mart a while back. Just the year that's in it. Too many pedigree bulls around and with more and more dispersal herd sales going on, the problem is only going to get worst. Every dispersal sale leads to a few new herds starting up.
At least in a normal year, you could bring them to mart pedigree sales. You could try Donedeal and show a realistic price for them.

whelan2

I'd factory the older ones at this stage. How much are you feeding them?

farmer2018

whelan2 wrote: »

I'd factory the older ones at this stage. How much are you feeding them?

Getting very little concentrates at the moment.

People have been telling me would get better prices at the mart.

lab man

I offered 2400 to a breeder for a bull last year she refused killed the bull after and got 1750 so wat goes round comes around killing the bull to keep prices up on the rest of her herd

farmer2018

Realistically what are bulls worth at the factory? 650-850kg approx

Was told a base price of 2.80kg last week.

farmer2018

lab man wrote: »

I offered 2400 to a breeder for a bull last year she refused killed the bull after and got 1750 so wat goes round comes around killing the bull to keep prices up on the rest of her herd

What breed was it? Nothing wrong with that money.

farmer2018

For example a bull making €1300 at the mart, is he not going to make a few hundred more at the factory?

whelan2

They are costing you every day you still have them around your place. You need them gone if it's mart or factory doesn't matter. Have you told local breeders you have bulls for sale?

ChuckieEgg

Put em up on donedeal & adverts. Ask a fair price and see how you get on. Larry would only be delighted with the cheap meat he'd get otherwise

Anto_Meath

Seen and 880 Kg stock LM bull making €1,350 (€1:50/ Kg) in Carnaross today, he was heading for 10 year old, I thought it was a good price for him

farmer2018

Anto_Meath wrote: »

Seen and 880 Kg stock LM bull making €1,350 (€1:50/ Kg) in Carnaross today, he was heading for 10 year old, I thought it was a good price for him

€1.50kg I wouldn't consider a good price, €1350 for a 880kg animal :rolleyes:

Odelay

farmer2018 wrote: »

€1.50kg I wouldn't consider a good price, €1350 for a 880kg animal :rolleyes:

I wouldn’t pay €1.50 a kg for a nine year old steak.

ChuckieEgg

farmer2018 wrote: »

€1.50kg I wouldn't consider a good price, €1350 for a 880kg animal :rolleyes:

Depends on the bull, at 10 years he might be half buckled. He will also only grade as a P - value.

patsy_mccabe

Odelay wrote: »

I wouldn’t pay €1.50 a kg for a nine year old steak.

That's what you think. Where do you think all the cull cows end up?

farmer2018

Odelay wrote: »

I wouldn’t pay €1.50 a kg for a nine year old steak.

Of course you are! You're paying a lot more.

Anto_Meath

For a ten year old bull that has his job done over the years I thought it was a good enough price. I know a guy rang three different factors looking for quotes for a similar aged CH bull, he got quoted €2:40 locally, €2:80 heading a little North and €3 if he went south. At €2:40 that bull would loose money but at €3 you could get circa €200 more for him. Factories are getting plenty of over age bulls at the minute so there is no big demand for them.

whelan2

Got a call this evening, a lad looking for 2 angus bulls. ...

jfh

Very little demand for bulls this time of year, I'd agree with whelan

lab man

farmer2018 wrote: »

What breed was it? Nothing wrong with that money.

A simental I bought a blonde aqutaine after wards off someone else

tanko

farmer2018 wrote: »

€1.50kg I wouldn't consider a good price, €1350 for a 880kg animal :rolleyes:

For a ten year old bull i wouldn't consider it too bad at the minute, it will go a fair bit to buying a replacement.

charolais0153

Look at your pedigree calves now nd any that arent going to make good bulls, your aswell of selling as weanlings, save yourself the hassle again.

Sheep breeder

Anto_Meath wrote: »

For a ten year old bull that has his job done over the years I thought it was a good enough price. I know a guy rang three different factors looking for quotes for a similar aged CH bull, he got quoted €2:40 locally, €2:80 heading a little North and €3 if he went south. At €2:40 that bull would loose money but at €3 you could get circa €200 more for him. Factories are getting plenty of over age bulls at the minute so there is no big demand for them.

Usually the factory buyers leave around 100 to 120 on buying a bull to hang from the mart in the factory. Short keep and if kills out a bit better another few euros. A bull 24 or 35 months old will be hard sold now and the first question a buyer will ask why is he still on farm at that age.

tanko

Anto_Meath wrote: »

For a ten year old bull that has his job done over the years I thought it was a good enough price. I know a guy rang three different factors looking for quotes for a similar aged CH bull, he got quoted €2:40 locally, €2:80 heading a little North and €3 if he went south. At €2:40 that bull would loose money but at €3 you could get circa €200 more for him. Factories are getting plenty of over age bulls at the minute so there is no big demand for them.

Whe you say went south, do you mean Roscrea. I hear lads talking about it being the best place to pay for stock bulls.

Anto_Meath

Yes Rodcrea it seems to be the best place to sell stock bulls.

farmer2018

What ballpark figure could I get for my bulls at the mart can someone please tell me?

patsy_mccabe

farmer2018 wrote: »

What ballpark figure could I get for my bulls at the mart can someone please tell me?

Can't you watch online and see what others are making. Ennis mart for example, sell aged bulls on Thursday after the cull cows.

Hard Knocks

farmer2018 wrote: »

What ballpark figure could I get for my bulls at the mart can someone please tell me?

If you’re on Facebook look up Dowra mart
It’ll give you a good idea

Lady Haywire

charolais0153 wrote: »

Look at your pedigree calves now nd any that arent going to make good bulls, your aswell of selling as weanlings, save yourself the hassle again.

Begorrah, a sensible person
That's what we've done, have 4 pedigree limos, deregged one as he was accidentally inbred:rolleyes: had never regged one as he took a touch of a navel infection & if he's tired he will bend a bit in one joint so he's not good enough to be a bull & other showed he was a flighty wee bollocks in the crush both times he was in it. So keeping the final one & announcing other at weanling sale as PB, let them try them if they like.
There's also too many people who think the cert guarantees them 2k for a bull regardless of him looking like a donkey with smaller ears.

farmer2018 wrote: »

What ballpark figure could I get for my bulls at the mart can someone please tell me?

A lot depends on quality & buyers on the day. You could try something like getting one mart to advertise them all the one day so anyone looking for a bull would be there/online. Could backfire, could work.

whelan2

What stars have they? If you're not happy in the mart you can bring them home but at this stage I'd be cutting my losses and dealing with the ones coming along.

farmer2018

whelan2 wrote: »

What stars have they? If you're not happy in the mart you can bring them home but at this stage I'd be cutting my losses and dealing with the ones coming along.

Varies good and bad. I think your right, look forward not back.

patsy_mccabe

farmer2018 wrote: »

Varies good and bad. I think your right, look forward not back.

Covid really messed everything up this year. I know Ennis Mart never held a pedigree sale and they always hold 2 or 3. I put some up on Donedeal and no calls for weeks, then suddenly a few came together. The danger with bulls is when they go over age. At least during teh summer when beef prices are good, you can offload if over age in the marts.

farmer2018

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Covid really messed everything up this year. I know Ennis Mart never held a pedigree sale and they always hold 2 or 3. I put some up on Donedeal and no calls for weeks, then suddenly a few came together. The danger with bulls is when they go over age. At least during teh summer when beef prices are good, you can offload if over age in the marts.

I hear Ennis is going very well at the moment.
Correct and some of them can get wicked as they shove on.

With no pedigree sales the country must full of bulls. There must be alot going through the marts and to the factory.

K.G.

Is it just the ch/lim/sim that are in trouble or are the hd / aa used more on dairy in trouble as well

Anto_Meath

Anto_Meath wrote: »

Seen and 880 Kg stock LM bull making €1,350 (€1:50/ Kg) in Carnaross today, he was heading for 10 year old, I thought it was a good price for him

That is mad money for a bull that is nearly 10.

880 kg, our bull is 8 and he must be over a ton. Isnt 880 a poor weight for a bull that old?

whelan2

K.G. wrote: »

Is it just the ch/lim/sim that are in trouble or are the hd / aa used more on dairy in trouble as well

We had all our angus bulls gone by mid April. We dont look for mad money and mostly repeat customers. We have a group of about 5 local angus breeders and if someone comes looking for a bull and we dont have one we pass their number on and vice versa.