Donald Trump bans tik toc and we chat

bobbyy gee

Donald trump bans tik toc and wechat
https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/18/21445060/trump-tiktok-wechat-ban-us-apple-app-store-google-play-commerce-department

Montage of Feck

Go tiktok yourself!

ILoveYourVibes

american youth won't be happy

Atlantic Dawn

It's a strange one, I would have thought at a platform it would be ideal for him to tout his election pledges on.

mrcheez

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It's a strange one, I would have thought at a platform it would be ideal for him to tout his election pledges on.

you clearly haven't seen him dance

Rodney Bathgate

No harm. No one seems to care that the Chinese government has blocked the western equivalents and many more sites for years.

Chinese government blocks twitter within China but uses it to spread propaganda outside of China.

Twitter should ban any Chinese government officials (at all levels, including staff in foreign embassies) from the platform.

godtabh

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

No harm. No one seems to care that the Chinese government has blocked the western equivalents and many more sites for years.

Chinese government blocks twitter within China but uses it to spread propaganda outside of China.

Twitter should ban any Chinese government officials (at all levels, including staff in foreign embassies) from the platform.

The western world should be more like China?

Your Face

They wont be gone for long.
The US just want a piece of the profits.

alchemist33

Did he ban capital letters too?

Rodney Bathgate

godtabh wrote: »

The western world should be more like China?

Is that what I said?

How Soon Is Now

If it means I no longer have to listen to all the American **** from that app when me girlfriend is on it all good so!

ExMachina1000

The journal. Ie banned comments on its "far right" boogeyman article.

Bans are normal

Your Face

Your Face wrote: »

They wont be gone for long.
The US just want a piece of the profits.

No, they'll be gone for good. This isn't simply about money.

It's about embedded software within the platforms which allow the CCP to track information, including any discussions ongoing. There have been various reports of US military personnel being caught using such software, which can be seen a breach in security (since apps can interact with each other on a phone). Rarely do people consider what updates to software consist of, merely assuming that they're benign... and considering that user contracts can be changed easily (thanks america), it means that what people allow on their phones can also be altered without the user really knowing much about it.

Secondly, it's also about reducing the Chinese economy, and influence abroad. By targeting Chinese apps, which are huge in China, they get to impact on the economic returns on such investment, while also reducing the influence that Chinese software firms have abroad.

We're likely to see a wide range of bans on Chinese software over the next few years.

riclad

He banned it because kids on tik tok asked people to get tickets for a trump rally and they did not go.
you can still use tik tok if you have it installed on your phone.
it,ll will be removed from the app store on google and apple .
Just before the election he decides to piss off millions of young voters .
its the no 1 app for young people under 30.

Necro

Mod:

Moving to Current Affairs where the local mods can reopen if deemed necessary

Ten of Swords

Thread opened. Stick to the topic of the thread ie, Tik Tok only.

This thread is NOT for discussing the election and any such posts will be carded and deleted

Election thread here
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058099651

BloodBath

Deleted User wrote: »

No, they'll be gone for good. This isn't simply about money.

It's about embedded software within the platforms which allow the CCP to track information, including any discussions ongoing. There have been various reports of US military personnel being caught using such software, which can be seen a breach in security (since apps can interact with each other on a phone). Rarely do people consider what updates to software consist of, merely assuming that they're benign... and considering that user contracts can be changed easily (thanks america), it means that what people allow on their phones can also be altered without the user really knowing much about it.

Secondly, it's also about reducing the Chinese economy, and influence abroad. By targeting Chinese apps, which are huge in China, they get to impact on the economic returns on such investment, while also reducing the influence that Chinese software firms have abroad.

We're likely to see a wide range of bans on Chinese software over the next few years.

Practically all software is doing this these days. Not just Chinese software. Google, Microsoft, Apple and others are also tracking everything you type and say and sharing this info with the US government and possibly others.

Google especially is doing some really nefarious crap that I've noticed. Every open mic android device is listening to conversations and using it for targeted marketing and possibly much worse. I and thousands of others have noticed this.

The really nefarious thing I've noticed is having a conversation with a family member about a topic I had not looked up online on my phone or PC at any point. I didn't have my phone on me and I was in their home, not mine. On returning to my own home I was hit with multiple targeted videos about that exact topic on youtube. This wasn't some big trending topic or news story or something I had ever received videos about. It was obscure.

I was being spied on through their phone with voice recognition. They have databases of where you go, who you talk to, your circle of family/friends etc.

This happened on more than 1 occasion. Call it paranoid but I've noticed it many times now. It's not a coincidence.

BloodBath

BloodBath wrote: »

This happened on more than 1 occasion. Call it paranoid but I've noticed it many times now. It's not a coincidence.

I know. I have had similar vids appear on my Youtube account based off things I looked at, while away from Youtube.

I'm not saying that the US, or that western companies don't track others. They definitely do. However, I merely pointed out the reasons why wechat and tictok would be banned.

The US government and the EU have both been making big pushes to regulate and control the internet. China and it's apps, typically, fall outside of their jurisdictions, so...

shesty

That happens all the time.I could be talking to a family member about anything and next thing is targeted ads appear on facebook etc, about the item under discussion.Given the stage in our lives, the conversations tend to be very specific child-related things, like "Oh I must see if I can get xyz, it might be handy for abc", and within 24 hours there are ads there advertising whatever random thing we were talking about.It is very obvious what is going on.

ExMachina1000

BloodBath wrote: »

Practically all software is doing this these days. Not just Chinese software. Google, Microsoft, Apple and others are also tracking everything you type and say and sharing this info with the US government and possibly others.

Google especially is doing some really nefarious crap that I've noticed. Every open mic android device is listening to conversations and using it for targeted marketing and possibly much worse. I and thousands of others have noticed this.

The really nefarious thing I've noticed is having a conversation with a family member about a topic I had not looked up online on my phone or PC at any point. I didn't have my phone on me and I was in their home, not mine. On returning to my own home I was hit with multiple targeted videos about that exact topic on youtube. This wasn't some big trending topic or news story or something I had ever received videos about. It was obscure.

I was being spied on through their phone with voice recognition. They have databases of where you go, who you talk to, your circle of family/friends etc.

This happened on more than 1 occasion. Call it paranoid but I've noticed it many times now. It's not a coincidence.

We have all signed up to this data collection

Ubbquittious

No doubt Google are scum like the rest of them but I for one am glad to see tiktok banned. Even if it turns out they weren't using the app for spying it's good that it be banned for being such a pile of utter sh1te

Ubbquittious

Ubbquittious wrote: »

No doubt Google are scum like the rest of them but I for one am glad to see tiktok banned. Even if it turns out they weren't using the app for spying it's good that it be banned for being such a pile of utter sh1te

It'll be replaced by another app. The only difference will be that it's a western company doing it. Doesn't mean that the app will be any more honest, better moderated, or anything like that.

utyh2ikcq9z76b

All boils down to who you want spying on you The National Security Agency (NSA)US or Ministry of State Security (MSS) China.

As per Snowden leaks, they have Infiltrated everything and backdoors to anything they want

Jaxon Rancid Speedway

Jaxon Rancid Speedway wrote: »

All boils down to who you want spying on you The National Security Agency (NSA)US or Ministry of State Security (MSS) China.

As per Snowden leaks, they have Infiltrated everything and backdoors to anything they want

I don't think there's much choice involved. They're all going to be doing it regardless of where you are. It's simply the world we live in.

Donald Trump

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

If it means I no longer have to listen to all the American **** from that app when me girlfriend is on it all good so!

No no. Your missus is on a different thing. OnlyFans I think it's called.



I hope she washes those vegetables before giving them to you for your dinner.

BloodBath

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

We have all signed up to this data collection

I didn't sign up to them collecting data about me through other peoples devices.

They also deny they are using mics to gather data outside of siri/cortana type crap which is a blatant lie.

I'm pretty sure using mics to spy on conversations is illegal regardless of what you signed up for.

ExMachina1000

BloodBath wrote: »

I didn't sign up to them collecting data about me through other peoples devices.

They also deny they are using mics to gather data outside of siri/cortana type crap which is a blatant lie.

I'm pretty sure using mics to spy on conversations is illegal regardless of what you signed up for.

Didn't some chap in the states demand to see all of the data Google Alphabet had collected on him and had to take it to court.

Not sure if he won or the outcome

Limpy

Spare a thought for the influencers. They might get the PUP.

Eric Cartman

Wechat should be banned outside china, its just used to evade taxation outside there. There are a few chinese restaurants in dublin with perpetually “broken” card machines that take wechat no bother

joseywhales

I'm still not understanding the value of these apps. I mean I have email, I can send attachments has there been any fundamental functional advancement from this point?

biko

India banned TikTok a month ago, the CA thread on it seems hard to find.

It was part of a general ban on Chinese apps. Well over a hundred are gone.

joseywhales

joseywhales wrote: »

I'm still not understanding the value of these apps. I mean I have email, I can send attachments has there been any fundamental functional advancement from this point?

Well, from my pov in China, with wechat I can do pretty much everything. With money on the account, I can secure cinema tickets, order food, check bus times, etc all within the app, without needing a secondary app. I can also translate Chinese pretty well, whether it's an article, or a menu I'm looking at directly, or have someone speaking to me, with the app translating their speech for me.

It's a really useful tool.

I used to be the same. Email only, and I tended to avoid phone usage, but the convenience of wechat is remarkable. It's a dozen of individual apps combined within a single program.

Tony EH

joseywhales wrote: »

I'm still not understanding the value of these apps. I mean I have email, I can send attachments has there been any fundamental functional advancement from this point?

There's no advancement to any of these communication apps over bog standard email.

The only thing I can think of that's been of any real use is Whatsapp free phone calls. But even then, I already had Skype.

It's all just about kids adopting the newest thing. There aren't any kind of determinable advantages over what has come before. A girl I know has about 20 something different comms apps that all do the same thing. She's glued to her phone 24/7 checking them all day.

JJayoo

Good, all chinese companies are puppets to the state

JJayoo

JJayoo wrote: »

Good, all chinese companies are puppets to the state

Except they're not. Many people have a far too simplistic notion of what China is like.

The "State" isn't unified. Even with Xi as supreme leader, the CCP is very divided with a number of powerful factions. Considering the wealth that top/medium leaders in the CCP have, many have their links to the three pillars of Chinese power. The Military, Business, or Criminal organisations. Government is the primary pillar but each faction has their own powerbases linked to an external group, where their wealth/influence comes from. With each faction protecting the independence of their foundation so that other factions can't threaten their income streams.

And so with Business, companies aren't puppets of the State. Various factions have tried repeatedly to rein in the power of the major companies in China, with minor success. Large Chinese companies are, like the military, often seen as being outside the law. So, you'll see a wide range of government oversight regarding Businesses, but some companies are essentially immune. At least for a few decades, until a shift in the politics, makes them vulnerable to another faction.

For smaller companies, only those businesses who received direct funding, have to provide company shares to the government. Usually it's between 20-40% of the overall shares, but it's still not enough to take control over the company itself.

While China is very different in many ways than the west, don't be so quick to assume the CCP is absolute in it's power, or that they're unified. They're not. Especially over the main period of economic boom, where companies raked in the cash, and therefore increased their ability to bribe within a very corrupt society.

JJayoo

The above post is nonsense.

JJayoo

JJayoo wrote: »

The above post is nonsense.

haha... no debate? no argument? Nothing to show why it's nonsense. Pathetic.

ok then, prove that "all chinese companies are puppets to the state".

Yurt2

Klaz, you will be well aware that every Chinese tech company is compelled to dance to the tune of the Party. And you're also well aware of what happens to individuals or organisations that don't say 'how high' when the Party says 'jump.' You're winding-up to fill another China related thread with the whole "you don't know China" rigmarole.

Yurt2

And seeing as you're calling another poster's contribution 'pathetic', it's as plain as the nose on your face what is expected of these tech companies. Every company over a certain size is required to have party cadres in their ranks; Tencent, Bytedance; Hauwei - every one you care to name in every industry you care to mention. If you worked closely with Chinese companies (yes I'm pulling that card) as partners, you get accustomed to spotting who they are pretty quickly.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/03/05/huawei-would-have-to-give-data-to-china-government-if-asked-experts.html

Yurt!

Yurt! wrote: »

Klaz, you will be well aware that every Chinese tech company is compelled to dance to the tune of the Party. And you're also well aware of what happens to individuals or organisations that don't say 'how high' when the Party says 'jump.' You're winding-up to fill another China related thread with the whole "you don't know China" rigmarole.

Yurt, don't put words in my mouth, and don't dismiss my opinions so quickly. The other poster made a blanket statement about all Chinese companies being puppets of the state. Which is not true. What I did describe above is reasonably accurate.

Yurt! wrote: »

And seeing as you're calling another poster's contribution 'pathetic', it's as plain as the nose on your face what is expected of these tech companies. Every company over a certain size is required to have party cadres in their ranks; Tencent, Bytedance; Hauwei - every one you care to name in every industry you care to mention. If you worked closely with Chinese companies (yes I'm pulling that card) as partners, you get accustomed to spotting who they are pretty quickly.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/03/05/huawei-would-have-to-give-data-to-china-government-if-asked-experts.html

I described his response as pathetic because he didn't try to argue anything. Simply threw in a single sentence which did nothing to refute what I said, or prove what he previously said.

And I agree with you regarding the tech companies, since they come under the area of the "protected" industries which China considers to be part of the national security. And as such, they are controlled far more than other industries. See... your post was specific and was logical. His, wasn't.

And Yurt, I have worked closely with Chinese companies before, both state owned and independent, firstly as a management consultant and then later as a trainer.

Yurt2

Deleted User wrote: »

Yurt, don't put words in my mouth, and don't dismiss my opinions so quickly. The other poster made a blanket statement about all Chinese companies being puppets of the state. Which is not true. What I did describe above is reasonably accurate.



I described his response as pathetic because he didn't try to argue anything. Simply threw in a single sentence which did nothing to refute what I said, or prove what he previously said.

And I agree with you regarding the tech companies, since they come under the area of the "protected" industries which China considers to be part of the national security. And as such, they are controlled far more than other industries. See... your post was specific and was logical. His, wasn't.

And Yurt, I have worked closely with Chinese companies before, both state owned and independent, firstly as a management consultant and then later as a trainer.

If this is true, and given what you posted initially, you have totally misread how organisations function in your host country and have limited read on how the party interacts with and pulls the strings in key and sensitive industries. Any organisation of scale is riddled with party cadres and their duty is to ensure that the company falls in line with party policy and stays in its lane. I honestly think what's going on is one of the following is: a. You have the blinkers on,
;b. You're simply not paying attention; or c. You're exaggerating your interactions with Chinese firms.

Yurt!

Yurt! wrote: »

If this is true, and given what you posted initially, you have totally misread how organisations function in your host country and have limited read on how the party interacts with and pulls the strings in key and sensitive industries. Any organisation of scale is riddled with party cadres and their duty is to ensure that the company falls in line with party policy and stays in its lane. I honestly think you have a. The blinkers on, b. You're simply not paying attention, or c. You're exaggerating your interactions with Chinese firms.

Yurt. I'm not exaggerating my experience with Chinese firms. Hell, I haven't stated my experience with Chinese firms at all. You're the one throwing that out there.

Also I haven't stated anything that doesn't agree or disagree with what you said about Chinese firms. You keep wanting to put words in my mouth. Did I say that there weren't Party representatives in companies? nope. Hell, a large portion of the overall population are party members, and there is a culture of conforming to what the party direction is.

Argue against what I write... stop throwing in suggestions of what I didn't write. But yes, companies have both government direction, and their own independence depending on which factions (cliques) they are connected to, within the party. Hence Xi's anti-corruption campaign, which essentially targeted his enemies, including businesses which are associated with his opponents, while protecting those within his own sphere of influence.

But yes, the CCP has been increasing it's control over all private business over the last few years, establishing far more representatives at all levels of management. At the same time though, not all companies are controlled to the manner that JJayoo suggested, in that they're all puppets. They're independent until the CCP decides it wants control.

bobbyy gee

judge blocks trumps wechat man

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/517292-judge-blocks-trump-administration-wechat-ban

bobbyy gee

trump wants 5 billion dollars for tik tok

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/20/business/trump-education-fund/index.html

bobbyy gee

bobbyy gee wrote: »

trump wants 5 billion dollars for tik tok

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/20/business/trump-education-fund/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/20/business/trump-education-fund/index.html