Banned for 1 month

enno99

Hi can someone try resolve this

Got banned for posting

Her idol is kamala spent more time on her knees than a carpet fitter

Got infracted for posting link dumps supposedly
have had posts deleted the mod or the other posters there dont want anyone that disagrees with them
I think mod just wanted an excuse
earlier a post was removed no infraction
some time later I queried it in pm and got infracted seems like you shouldent query it i asked if the query caused the infraction sure looked that way
minute later ban was imposed
there have been mant posts through the thread
about senators and rent boys didnt seem to bother anyone

Tokyo

enno99, as per the graphic at the top of the page, have you attempted to resolve this via PM with the mod who banned you? That's the first step before we take this further.

enno99

Yes i have asked him about it he didnt reply replied yet
thanks
i told him i opened a dispute

enno99

Actually another mod had to lock it the otherday and clean it up
accusations of trool and the like not by me
i understand its a Donald Trump thread and things get a little wild
the comment i made was in response to an obvious twitter troll account put up for discussion
A graphic for Craigslist Trump looking for actors
in hindsight I probably should have ignored it

thanks for taking the time look at it

Tokyo

I would suggest that we give the mod a chance to respond first.

enno99

No problem I will wait for a reply

Thanks again

enno99

H Mike

Mod replied and is happy with their decision
Can you look into it if you get some time

thanks enno99

Tokyo

No problem. I'll let the CMods know now and one will take a look.

enno99

Thanks I appreciate it

enno99

I dont want t be taking up your time
can you make the mod aware of a Pm i got from another poster on the thread

<PM removed>

I think a mod that would support the otherside would be a good idea
they could call out the comments like not ban or infract
Senator A is known to be gay and uses rent boys there is no evidence
which sets the tone
Then my comment would be out of order and unacceptable

I know finding one that supports Trump is like trying to find hens teeth LOL

just a suggestion sorry for taking up your time

enno99

Spear

Do not post PMs from other users, they're still banned in here and across the entire site. The exception is only for PMs between you and the mod discussing the ban.

enno99

Spear wrote: »

Do not post PMs from other users, they're still banned in here and across the entire site. The exception is only for PMs between you and the mod discussing the ban.

Ok sorry I didnt realise

Faith

Hi enno99,

I’ll look into this. Please allow me some time and I’ll get back to you with a decision within the next coupe of days.

enno99

Thanks Faith

If you look you will see i have been posting on politics on here only a few days

Me getting banned gained 39 likes should give you an idea

the posts that were removed

one was someone asked for evidence of some thing and I posted a short clip
I dont know if you want to go that deep i dont expect you to

Thanks for taking the time to look at this
there is no rush so whenever you get a chance is fine

Thanks enno99

Faith

Sorry I know I’m taking a while to get back to you - real life has kicked off. I’ll post my reply tomorrow.

enno99

Faith wrote: »

Sorry I know I’m taking a while to get back to you - real life has kicked off. I’ll post my reply tomorrow.

Thats ok I understand mods and admins have other things to be getting on with
And i appreciate that you guys keep the boards in check
whenever you can spare some time is fine

enno99

Faith

Hi enno99,

Again, apologies about the delay in replying.

As you have highlighted, you are a new poster to Politics. However, rather than this being something that works in your favour, it rather works against. If you had a long history of posting with no mod actions, then we could reasonably accept that your post was an anomaly. However, within 1 week of beginning to post in Politics, you breached the charter numerous times and were reprimanded by the moderators for posting link dumps, and for not engaging in discussion when you were called out by other posters (that's what earned you an infraction).

So I think it's safe to say that the moderators highlighted numerous ways in which your posts were not up to standard and breached the charter and you chose to ignore that.

You then posted "Her idol is kamala spent more time on her knees than a carpet fitter", which is the post that earned you a ban. A month-long ban is a long time for a first ban, but again, we can see that you consistently ignored previous attempts to redirect you to post in a way that was in line with the charter.

My feeling is that a month-long ban for such a disgusting, misogynistic post was actually quite generous. You clearly have no interest in reasoned debate and discussion and somehow you seem to genuinely believe that it's okay to say something like that.

I am upholding the ban, and I would strongly encourage you to reconsider your posting style when the ban is up if you wish to continue posting in Politics.

If you disagree with this decision, you are free to request that an admin reviews it.

enno99

Faith wrote: »

Hi enno99,

Again, apologies about the delay in replying.

As you have highlighted, you are a new poster to Politics. However, rather than this being something that works in your favour, it rather works against. If you had a long history of posting with no mod actions, then we could reasonably accept that your post was an anomaly. However, within 1 week of beginning to post in Politics, you breached the charter numerous times and were reprimanded by the moderators for posting link dumps, and for not engaging in discussion when you were called out by other posters (that's what earned you an infraction).

So I think it's safe to say that the moderators highlighted numerous ways in which your posts were not up to standard and breached the charter and you chose to ignore that.

You then posted "Her idol is kamala spent more time on her knees than a carpet fitter", which is the post that earned you a ban. A month-long ban is a long time for a first ban, but again, we can see that you consistently ignored previous attempts to redirect you to post in a way that was in line with the charter.

My feeling is that a month-long ban for such a disgusting, misogynistic post was actually quite generous. You clearly have no interest in reasoned debate and discussion and somehow you seem to genuinely believe that it's okay to say something like that.

I am upholding the ban, and I would strongly encourage you to reconsider your posting style when the ban is up if you wish to continue posting in Politics.

If you disagree with this decision, you are free to request that an admin reviews it.

I guess you overlooked the removal of posts and the warnings that the brought about the warnings/ infractions

posters demanding yer or no answers to complex questions was the first occurance
first removal was in relation to being asked for evidence 4 times I posted short clip of evidence plus another of evidence of a claim I made earlier
So was in context just not something the posters or mod there liked to see

second removal of posts was in reference to the generals taking out trump that was being discussed with glee among the others there
Was a video of retired chief of the army criminal law division at he pentagon the page link where it came from possibly some text from the page so again in context
the others were in reference to polls others there were counting polls I asked if polls could be trusted
and I supplied links to other local polls that were germane to one state that was mentioned
I quoted posts to all of the above to show why I was posting the links
So you see the over zealous mod with clear anti-trump bias just used excuses to stifle debate and a pretext to ban there are other disputes here involving the same Mod and same tactic

Kamala Harris, that vaunted self-righteous feminist candidate who's using her 'year of the woman' chops to challenge President Trump in 2020, has a little problem: She slept her way to the top.

Monica Showalter

So not misogynistic based of reports of her earlier life and your thinking that the ban was lenient tells me that you really didnt look at it objectively and brought your own bias into it

you will see that the Mod who locked the thread and removed posts post #3343 in the thread "removed a bunch of posts and sanctioned users" I was not sanctioned in this instance

So if admin wants to look at it thats fine if only for the integrity of boards.ie
I feel these types of threads/forums that become so toxic will only discourage users from engaging and possibly lead to users to avoid boards.ie all together
ie Conspiracy theory forum was a really active a few years back until this type of stuff began to happen lots of prolific posters left or were banned now its mainly threads moved there from other forums

As I said earlier the posts relating to a senator being gay and using high class rent boys as one poster added of the younger kind implying peadophile
would you class that as homophobic

One stated that they saw it on twitter and was taken down even twitter who have let child porn remain for long time before removal removed it

enno99

Faith

This DRP relates only to your ban, which was for the post "Her idol is kamala spent more time on her knees than a carpet fitter". Deleted posts and other posts don't matter. It was the content of that post which led to your ban, so trying to draw in other factors is not helping.

Secondly, just because one person makes an unsubstantiated claim about an individual doesn't make it true, particularly when it's someone with such an obvious agenda of their own. To reference my bias whilst quoting someone like Monica Showalter as a valid source is hilarious in its irony and lack of insight.

I won't be engaging in this discussion any further, so the only question that remains is:

Do you wish for an admin to review this decision? Yes/No

enno99

yes

Odd that the mods behaviour and previous infractions on me are not relevant

Neyite

Hi enno99,
I'll review this for you.

Neyite

Enno99, The politics forum has a very detailed charter and a high standard of debate and discussion is expected of posters who post there. For those who want a more light-hearted discussion of current affairs then the Current Affairs forum is a suitable alternative.
So before I get specific about the nature of your ban, you should know that it's only your sanction that gets discussed here. What other posters do or don't do are dealt with separately. Basically, a defence strategy of "other people were doing it too" doesn't get very far. Therefore the rent boy comment will be disregarded. It may be that the post/[poster in question is also going through a dispute process but that's not relevant in this thread, only your comment is.

If you noticed other people breaching the charter then the correct procedure is to report the post and the mod will review it and sanction it if they deem it to be below standard. So if you felt the comment was uncalled for, you should hit the report button, not join in.

So, you joined that thread with post #3238 on Sept 10 at 13.19 Your fifth post was deleted as being below the standard of debate expected and what quickly followed was several subsequent posts where there were other minor charter breaches and your posts and replies that were derailing discussion were deleted, and where you breached the charter twice more by posting videos/photos without context all in barely one hour.

A mod note was added to the video/photo posts to explain no dumping. And a mod note on thread at 14.54 repeating this and a related one at 15.20. You then quoted the mod note at 15.50 discussing it - again a charter breach because discussion of mod actions or directions should take place by pm away from derailing the thread. By the evening time you had your first warning for being uncivil to another poster who asked you why you were not answering the question posed to you on the back of your statement. The following day, it was more of the same - you were posting statements but not engaging with other posters or discussing them. While you were not the only one that day who had posts deleted, it was contributory to the mod needing to lock and tidy up the thread.

On the 13th you posted for the third time, despite earlier mod warnings, a photo without any context. Then you did it again, a whole load of links without any discussion of the context. This one was deleted with a mod warning. Again at 13.13 you link-dumped for the third time that day, quickly followed by the distasteful post that earned you the final ban from the forum.

So it's not necessarily that single post that got you the ban - on it's own it may have been deleted by a mod and a yellow or red card issued, but sanctions on most forums are incremental and therefore having had post warnings, thread warnings, a red card the next escalation would have been a ban.

The forum could really do with Trump supporters to give balance in debate about his presidency but unfortunately as I said earlier the Politics forum has a high standard expected of it's members. Everyone can trip up in the heat of the discussion, that's why mod nudges on thread are there, but when it happens that no matter what a mod says, the behaviour continues, and continues to disrupt the discussion then they have no choice but to sanction.

And when I see that over the space of three days posting, that you appear to not have read a bit of the charter you agree to abide by before posting in politics, but also ignore mod direction I've no option to uphold the ban.

enno99

OK thanks sorry for taking up s much of your time time on this issue

enno99

Tokyo

Marked as resolved.