What sector off work do you think has the most open-minded and least open-minded ple

AMKC

I myself would say people in construction would be the least open-minded and people in the Tech sector would be the most open-minded but that does not mean everyone in them two sectors are exactly all the same as each other. It's just there is probably more of one type of person than the other.
What are other people's opinions of this?

Mad_maxx

least open minded = media , they all think the same thing

most open minded = legal sector , they take anyones money

topper75

Tech can be amongst the most narrow. Anything outside the hipster right-on way of thinking and they treat you like there is something wrong with you.

Most other workplaces don't NEED you to have their politics. Some of the tech giants stick out like a sore thumb in that respect.

I mean on a building site, once you lay blocks fast and well who cares what way you vote or what you type into an internet forum.

I'm an engineer and wouldn't regard tech as particularly open minded. We deal with machines and programming and its not particularly personal, we dont deal with the general public as such.

Iv some friends working in healthcare and social services. They have to deal with all sorts of people and all sorts of cases, Id say it gives a person a much broader view of life.

Depends. Is open minded also used to describe gullibility? If so, then the whole alternative medicine industry is more open minded. This is at least how people I've known who use things like flower remedies or homeopathy describe themselves (I'm open to thinking outside accepted scientific norms...I keep an open mind about the possibility of eating one's toenails being a natural cure for malaria, etc., etc.).

The most closed minded area I've personally encountered are certain pockets of academia.

Signore Fancy Pants

AMKC wrote: »

I myself would say people in construction would be the least open-minded

AMKC wrote: »

People in the Tech sector would be the most open-minded

What is your definition of "open minded"?

My opinion is everyone is different. Attempting to equate "open mindedness" with a particular Sector is at best, idiotic with no level of substantiation of any sort. I doubt there is any corrolation between either.

jmayo

AMKC wrote: »

I myself would say people in construction would be the least open-minded and people in the Tech sector would be the most open-minded but that does not mean everyone in them two sectors are exactly all the same as each other. It's just there is probably more of one type of person than the other.
What are other people's opinions of this?

Mad_maxx wrote: »

least open minded = media , they all think the same thing

most open minded = legal sector , they take anyones money

I would bet a lot of younger people's idea of open mindedness is someone that subscribes to modern thinking on things like mass immigration, gender fluidity, abortion, religions, etc.

And the funny thing is a lot of the ones that subscribe to the modern take on these topics are the least open minded people going.

They refuse to countenance any opinion that doesn't subscribe to their modern take and resort to labelling anybody that does not have the same opinions as bigots, racists, phobes of some sort or other.

A lot of modern tech companies and their employees think of themselves as open minded when in fact they are just all trying to subscribe to a proscribed group think.

Remember the case of Google employee fired for their diverse opinion ?

pgj2015

Teachers are nearly always very narrow minded. anyone who takes any type of drug is a drugie waster etc

jimgoose

jmayo wrote: »

...Remember the case of Google employee fired for their diverse opinion ?

Tim Chevalier? Yeah, I've read this a couple of times and I still don't quite get it. It looks like political correctness talking itself into disappearing up it's own rectum:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/feb/21/google-lawsuit-tim-chevalier-diversity-james-damore

jimgoose

topper75 wrote: »

Tech can be amongst the most narrow. Anything outside the hipster right-on way of thinking and they treat you like there is something wrong with you.

Most other workplaces don't NEED you to have their politics. Some of the tech giants stick out like a sore thumb in that respect.

I mean on a building site, once you lay blocks fast and well who cares what way you vote or what you type into an internet forum.

In nearly 30 years in the ICT sector, no-one has ever said a word to me about my politics, voting habits, sexuality, sexual preferences or whether I'm a Cavalier or a Roundhead. A lot of tech companies I suppose have a mainly young workforce and they're always going to look funny with their beard-oil and defective trousers and what-have-you, but I think the general rule of "don't be a racist, bigoted dickhead" is all you need, really.

Nexytus

Brain-surgeon.

Signore Fancy Pants

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

What is your definition of "open minded"?

My opinion is everyone is different. Attempting to equate "open mindedness" with a particular Sector is at best, idiotic with no level of substantiation of any sort. I doubt there is any corrolation between either.

I couldn't agree more. Such generalisations and assumptions of people is just, I don't know, well not open minded

WrenBoy

Mad_maxx wrote: »

least open minded = media , they all think the same thing

This is my experience, I've worked in media production roles and as the older generation retire and are replaced there is very much approved attitudes which you would want to be on board with if you want to get along. This is a sector where your creating good relationships with your colleagues and relying on good references from said colleagues and higher ups is massive.

Not all, not all, but many... Salt of the earth people there too.

Earthhorse

I would say Psychologists are the most open minded given that they study the human mind and are aware of all its frailties. In general, I would say the more creative the role the more open minded the person would be.

But it's very much a generalisation, not something I'd stake my reputation on.

ShatterAlan

open-minded: librarians


closed-minded: taxi-drivers

Your Face

Open-minded = Prostitutes
Closed-minded = The GAA

Gregor Samsa

It’s funny how no one ever admits to being closed minded, and yet everyone is to some degree - and it’s often the ones with the most entrenched views that regard themselves as most open minded.

None of this applies to me and my irreproachable opinions, obviously.

Man with broke phone

Most people dont really understand what open minded means.
Id accept johnner the block layer even though he is a bit of a homophobe. Id also accept peter the plasterer even if he turned up in drag with his boyfriend.

So long as they both worked away professionally I wouldnt care how they felt unless it was upsetting them or somebody else. If they voted for Trump or Joe fine with me. Abortion for or against, I value your opinion and will listen to your side of the story but I will also have my own opinion if you ask for one.

I dont really think open minded people get into their late teens and decide to be ice cream men any other trade for that matter, most people go to college or work a litlle green and become open or even more close minded as they get older.

Its a bizarre question really that would be asked by somebody who isnt really that open minded.

Church on Tuesday

pgj2015 wrote: »

Teachers are nearly always very narrow minded. anyone who takes any type of drug is a drugie waster etc

Total nonsense, I had quite a few inspiring teachers.

smellyoldboot

I'd say from experience another one to throw into the "least open minded but dressing up like the opposite" is pretty much any US HQ'd pharma/med tech company. Full of 9-5 do gooders, pic in the paper at their bake sale for wellness or some ****e. Will actively seek to hire only drones who think or at least act the same way. They even have a name for it "cultural fit".

They are quite frankly a blight infecting the broader work environment piece by piece.

Oops!

pgj2015 wrote: »

Teachers are nearly always very narrow minded. anyone who takes any type of drug is a drugie waster etc

There's a couple of teachers in my family... The most closed/narrow minded people that i know well... Think very highly of each other also. But i suppose they would be like that even if they were in some other profession too!

For Forks Sake

Teaching, especially primary, seems to have a large cohort across all age groups, whose views belong in the era of de Valera and Archbishop McQuaid

Man with broke phone

When Trump won the last election my kids senior infants teacher came out and told all the kids and parents how they were all to be very sad because Donald Trump won the election.

No messing. If I really cared Id have complained but to just decide the whole school and all involved should vote for a woman to lead the free world just because she is a woman is far more devisive than having democracy in my opinion.

I explained that to my children and hope they can be free thinkers.

But I also explained to them to pick their battles and not argue with idiots when you can have a secret ballot.

Sonic the Shaghog

smellyoldboot wrote: »

I'd say from experience another one to throw into the "least open minded but dressing up like the opposite" is pretty much any US HQ'd pharma/med tech company. Full of 9-5 do gooders, pic in the paper at their bake sale for wellness or some ****e. Will actively seek to hire only drones who think or at least act the same way. They even have a name for it "cultural fit".

They are quite frankly a blight infecting the broader work environment piece by piece.

Oh ya I've seen that. I've seen the ones with their whole mental health in the workplace and speak up campaigns and at home when their kid, brother, sister etc is talking of suicide they tell them the classic "toughen the fcuk up"

Or they'd be leading anti racism or anti homophobic campaigns and they regularly making racist or homophobic comments to friends and family

All done to be seen or win brownie points, they'd make you sick, the absolute ****e hawks

buried

Open Minded = Grave Diggers
Closed Minded = Grave Fillers

pgj2015

ShatterAlan wrote: »

open-minded: librarians


closed-minded: taxi-drivers[/QUOTE]



why do you think that?

tdf7187

Open-minded about what? It seems that in this day and age opinions once mainstream are considered 'bigotted', 'intolerant' and so on.

smellyoldboot

tdf7187 wrote: »

Open-minded about what? It seems that in this day and age opinions once mainstream are considered 'bigotted', 'intolerant' and so on.

To me anyway open-minded means being tolerant of opinions and outlooks that are alternative/opposite to your own. At the very least not giving a ****e what someones personal outlook is, not letting it cloud your judgement of them as a person/colleague etc.

At its peak it is being completely willing to accept your own currently held view is wrong when presented with compelling evidence. I would expect anyone with tertiary education to be capable of this and it should nearly be automatic but it is rarely the case.

Hawthorn Tree

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Teaching, especially primary, seems to have a large cohort across all age groups, whose views belong in the era of de Valera and Archbishop McQuaid

Correct. They certainly hammer home the Religion message when the rest of Ireland has matured. It must be bet into them in teacher college.

tdf7187

smellyoldboot wrote: »

To me anyway open-minded means being tolerant of opinions and outlooks that are alternative/opposite to your own. At the very least not giving a ****e what someones personal outlook is, not letting it cloud your judgement of them as a person/colleague etc.

At its peak it is being completely willing to accept your own currently held view is wrong when presented with compelling evidence. I would expect anyone with tertiary education to be capable of this and it should nearly be automatic but it is rarely the case.

Interesting that you ascribe value to tertiary education. I ascribe negative value to it. Irish universities are very poorly rated by international standards. Far from teaching students to think for themselves, in line with the values of Cardinal Newman, the founder of the NUI, if anything they encourage and foster groupthink.

smellyoldboot

tdf7187 wrote: »

Interesting that you ascribe value to tertiary education. I ascribe negative value to it. Irish universities are very poorly rated by international standards. Far from teaching students to think for themselves, in line with the values of Cardinal Newman, the founder of the NUI, if anything they encourage and foster groupthink.

Interesting. I studied engineering and was perhaps coloured by a scientific/technical type of education. The scientific method itself simplifies to "this is what I think, prove me wrong".

TheBlackPill

New breed of university students seem to be the most closed minded bigots imaginable. Everything is woke to them. You say no to them or refuse to validate their BS and they think you are Hitler, and worse than that, they will lodge false complaints and undermine you at every opportunity. Thankfully am STEM based so can fail them when they are wrong. Would hate to be arts or social science based where everything is open to debate.

Oops!

TheBlackPill wrote: »

New breed of university students seem to be the most closed minded bigots imaginable. Everything is woke to them. You say no to them or refuse to validate their BS and they think you are Hitler, and worse than that, they will lodge false complaints and undermine you at every opportunity. Thankfully am STEM based so can fail them when they are wrong. Would hate to be arts or social science based where everything is open to debate.

They are like yanks going around the place... Some of them even starting to speak like them.

growleaves

smellyoldboot wrote: »

To me anyway open-minded means being tolerant of opinions and outlooks that are alternative/opposite to your own. At the very least not giving a ****e what someones personal outlook is, not letting it cloud your judgement of them as a person/colleague etc.

At its peak it is being completely willing to accept your own currently held view is wrong when presented with compelling evidence. I would expect anyone with tertiary education to be capable of this and it should nearly be automatic but it is rarely the case.

Different people have a different understanding of what constitutes "evidence" though. Underlying assumptions are going to pre-decide a lot of questions and we've all got them.

JasonStatham

I think IT has the most flexibility, if that's what the OP means by open minded. I'd imagine people in the arts are the most liberal in terms of "traditional" open-mindedness.

Close minded? Surely sectors like the military / Gardai / clergy / retail etc.

Alejandro68

Restaurants ,your working for people who think they know what people want. And refuses to expand or venture further to attract consumers or to even stand out. And can't understand everyone doesn't share their tastes that they developed from their grandmother's cooking.

pgj2015

Alejandro68 wrote: »

Restaurants ,your working for people who think they know what people want. And refuses to expand or venture further to attract consumers or to even stand out. And can't understand everyone doesn't share their tastes that they developed from their grandmother's cooking.

have you been watching kitchen nightmares?

Alejandro68

pgj2015 wrote: »

have you been watching kitchen nightmares?

I work in 2 different restaurants and both owners are like that. The stress it causes the staff is ridiculous because their ideals and demands don't equate what customers want.

jetsonx

I've worked with a very broad spectrum of professions.


Most Open Minded: My encounters with people in the music business have always shown these people to be cool and wordly-wise. Architects are also an open-minded bunch.

Most Closed Minded: Primary school teachers. Nice people but some of them badly need to see how the world operates outside educational institutions. Their peers in the secondary sector are a little better but still seem to be living in a bubble.

pgj2015

jetsonx wrote: »

I've worked with a very broad spectrum of professions.


Most Open Minded: My encounters with people in the music business have always shown these people to be cool and wordly-wise. Architects are also an open-minded bunch.

Most Closed Minded: Primary school teachers. Nice people but some of them badly need to see how the world operates outside educational institutions. Their peers in the secondary sector are a little better but still seem to be living in a bubble.

Exactly, they go from primary to secondary to college, back to primary or secondary. They never work in the real world apart from maybe a part time job while at college. They are nice people but very set in their ways and not exactly party animals to say the least.

TheBlackPill

Oops! wrote: »

They are like yanks going around the place... Some of them even starting to speak like them.

the worst group of students seem to be from Canada

TheBlackPill

jetsonx wrote: »

I've worked with a very broad spectrum of professions.


Most Open Minded: My encounters with people in the music business have always shown these people to be cool and wordly-wise. Architects are also an open-minded bunch.

Most Closed Minded: Primary school teachers. Nice people but some of them badly need to see how the world operates outside educational institutions. Their peers in the secondary sector are a little better but still seem to be living in a bubble.

Primary school teachers are less workshy than secondary

topper75

jimgoose wrote: »

In nearly 30 years in the ICT sector, no-one has ever said a word to me about my politics, voting habits, sexuality, sexual preferences or whether I'm a Cavalier or a Roundhead. A lot of tech companies I suppose have a mainly young workforce and they're always going to look funny with their beard-oil and defective trousers and what-have-you, but I think the general rule of "don't be a racist, bigoted dickhead" is all you need, really.

I just 'celebrated' 20 years today! 1 year to the day before the NY attacks.
I'm glad you've avoided the nonsense I was referring to over your 30 years in IT. If you are a coder and can bury yourself in that or just working with the machines there is some hope of being left alone.

I've only encountered it to a limited degree myself. One place in particular was barely sufferable. We had a small team of people who, to a person, had a very strong liberal left mindset - probably stemming from their time studying arts, very political animals. These weren't coders. They had this arrogant assumption that everybody thought like them and offering up alternative views raised friction. This was backed by the line management (who I have to say had no connection with youth :-)). There was relief probably on both sides when I left after 2 years. The 'correct' kind of politics such as rainbow flags (not wrong - but wrong in the workplace as an imposition) or helping asylum seekers (always referred to as refugees) were encouraged. We had to do e-learning modules on diversity FFS. There was a strange obsession with American politics and Obama was a second coming to them. I wasn't really one for singing off the hymnsheet if you get me. The company culture was strange in many other regards. Hipster politics was only the start of it.

In most workplaces - all this gets left at the door. Hence my claim that of all industries it is probably the most narrow-minded. Thankfully my current IT workplace doesn't subscribe to any of that. We do the job and if there is a bit of banter at the water cooler, nobody falls out. The big irony? It is a far more diverse company than the one I left, by a factor of 2 or 3. We have an admittedly smaller group of women but they are Grade A - all there on merit and greatly respected. Not once did I hear any of these ladies pipe up with sexism nonsense.

There is a broad IT 'industry' but what that means to you in terms of culture depends on luck of the draw and the particular companies you encounter in it.