VW Golf mark 8 eHybrid and GTE

Dayor Knight

Anybody know when these might be coming out? Only heard about eHybrid in the last few days in an article in the Irish Times. Seems it's a the GTE without the GTE bit (!), and a bit more affordable.

I.T. article mentioned the eHybrid, bit I read elsewhere that it won't be sold in UK, so i'm wondering if it's unlikely to be sold here either then....?

Can anyone here shed any light? Thanks.

PaulRyan97

The eHyrbid is currently available to order here and it's priced pretty decently. The GTE went on sale in Germany a few weeks ago so I would expect it to become available here by the start of October. I did happen to be on the VW finance calculator a few days ago and they must have prematurely pushed the pricing for the GTE to it as it was appearing as costing €50,650 (- grant + vrt rebate = €43,150).

Dayor Knight

Excellent, thanks a lot for that info.

ColG

Interesting! What’s the difference between the GTE and the ehybrid? Apologies if that’s a ridiculous question!!

Dayor Knight

Seems to me from reading the blurb that there's very little except the eHybrid doesn't have the GTE specific stuff - tartan seats, GTE trim etc, and the GTE driving option (more power and 'growl'). GTE is closer to electric version of the GTI, I guess.

But the eHybrid is no slouch either, just doesn't shout about it. So if you're looking for a hybrid golf but don't feel the need for a 'hot hatch', then the eHybrid night suit you better, for a few K less.

That's how I read it anyway. Only came on this in the last couple of days. Looks a very promising battery range for day to day commuting, depending on your personal situation.

Interesting for sure, coming at same time as ID 3....

DaveyDave

I have my eye on the eHybrid. As someone who wants a GTI but can't afford anything north of €40k it's a good option. GTE running costs would be fine but still very expensive to buy. The eHybrid is the best of both worlds, performance and affordability. Especially as I'm planning on changing my current 1.0 Mk7.5 to the 1.5 Mk8 DSG, the eHybrid being just €2k more for performance and proper hybrid would be a good option.

Casati

DaveyDave wrote: »

I have my eye on the eHybrid. As someone who wants a GTI but can't afford anything north of €40k it's a good option. GTE running costs would be fine but still very expensive to buy. The eHybrid is the best of both worlds, performance and affordability. Especially as I'm planning on changing my current 1.0 Mk7.5 to the 1.5 Mk8 DSG, the eHybrid being just €2k more for performance and proper hybrid would be a good option.

eHybrid looks very good on paper - with the grant it’s basically same price as the 1.5 as the spec is higher and includes head up display and the advanced leds. I’d imagine even without charge it will be more economical than the 1.5

Surprised at the pricing for the GTE, has presumed it would be more expensive again as it has another circa 40bhp plus most of the GTI trim. Probably won’t drive like a GTI mind you so the eHybrid might be the better purchase

Maximo23

I went to VW to test the Golf 8 and found out it had no blindspot monitor and no auto folding mirrors. I called VW headoffice and was told that the golf style and ehybrid will have both standard, Also the battery system in the ehybrid will have an 8 year or 160000km warranty whichever comes first. Also you can’t option in the harmon kardon speaker system on the ehybrid because of the battery pack. The controls on the steering wheel are the haptic/touch control and if you add the winter pack you get seperate front heated seats , heated steering wheel and heated washer nozzles in front.

PaulRyan97

I see Frank Hogan in Limerick has gotten a new GTE in stock.

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/Volkswagen/Golf/fpa/202010235365108

CoBo55

PaulRyan97 wrote: »

I see Frank Hogan in Limerick has gotten a new GTE in stock.

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/Volkswagen/Golf/fpa/202010235365108

Poa, fcukin hate poa...

PaulRyan97

CoBo55 wrote: »

Poa, fcukin hate poa...

Looking at the spec it should be about €52k before grants and incentives.

~€44,500 post grants and incentives for a 202 registration.

~€43,800 post grant and VRT band change for a 211 registration.

That's near Model 3 SR+ territory.

CoBo55

PaulRyan97 wrote: »

Looking at the spec it should be about €52k before grants and incentives.

~€44,500 post grants and incentives for a 202 registration.

~€43,800 post grant and VRT band change for a 211 registration.

Frank will be looking at her for a long time at those crazy prices...

Maximo23

The Golf 8 style comes with Discover Pro and an 8 loudspeaker system. What way are the speakers configured? I see the comfort has 5 loudspeakers ...

Dayor Knight

I'm guessing the e Hybrid should be about €36,700 ROTR from January, which would be a lot more doable than the GTE. Anybody know for sure?

Casati

Dayor Knight wrote: »

I'm guessing the e Hybrid should be about €36,700 ROTR from January, which would be a lot more doable than the GTE. Anybody know for sure?

VW in fairness don’t seem to mess about with pricing resultant from vrt changes or vat changes etc and adjust the pricing without changing the ex vrt / vat / mix price so basically if you’ve calculated that price using 7% vrt and excluding the 2500 vrt refund that’s going away then your probably right.

Looks like great value especially if your going with pcp at 0% as that isn’t offered on the GTE

It will be interesting to see what the Seat Leon FR ehybrid is priced at, probably closer to 35k

PaulRyan97

Dayor Knight wrote: »

I'm guessing the e Hybrid should be about €36,700 ROTR from January, which would be a lot more doable than the GTE. Anybody know for sure?

(44,070 / 114) * 107 = 41,364 - 5000 = €36,364.

Think there's an €800 delivery charge.

Dayor Knight

PaulRyan97 wrote: »

(44,070 / 114) * 107 = 41,364 - 5000 = €36,364.

Think there's an €800 delivery charge.

Thanks for the calc. (I should have been able to work that out!).

Not much in it either way then between before and after. Still, it's interesting. I'll be very tempted to look at this in the new year. I'm not overly impressed by the Mark 8 looks, but as a hybrid package this one does look very good.

Maximo23

The VW rep with which i ordered the Ehybrid told me the car will come a little cheaper but that the 0% pcp was gone for now. I remember seeing at the VW web where it said 0% pcp for all new golf until march 2021. Maybe im wrong?

DaveyDave

The ID.3 can be had in a decent spec for around €38k. With that, the eHybrid and a €43k GTE there's certainly plenty of options for those wanting a bit more than 150hp without having the big running costs and high purchase price of a €45k+ GTI.

I'd have a 1.5 Golf Style DSG specced at around €36-37k, so very little in cost difference to get the extra performance. What to do...

Casati

DaveyDave wrote: »

The ID.3 can be had in a decent spec for around €38k. With that, the eHybrid and a €43k GTE there's certainly plenty of options for those wanting a bit more than 150hp without having the big running costs and high purchase price of a €45k+ GTI.

I'd have a 1.5 Golf Style DSG specced at around €36-37k, so very little in cost difference to get the extra performance. What to do...

If you can charge at home or work then the PHEV should definitely worth the v small premium. This car isn’t cheap but it’s cheaper than the old GTE, has better ev range, higher spec and same power

Maximo23

Talking to VW today and they are saying that the saie grant is in doubt for 2021 models which would make the ehybrid 5000 € dearer...

Casati

Maximo23 wrote: »

Talking to VW today and they are saying that the saie grant is in doubt for 2021 models which would make the ehybrid 5000 € dearer...

If that's the case we won't be seeing any PHEV's next year I'd say

Maximo23

Talking to Saie department and this is there answer:
Hi There, there will be grants in 2021 but the exact details, T&C's etc, are still being finalised. We expect an announcement in the coming weeks.
So with less than 2 months to go we all have no idea whats going on...

KCross

Maximo23 wrote: »

Talking to SEAI department and this is there answer:
Hi There, there will be grants in 2021 but the exact details, T&C's etc, are still being finalised. We expect an announcement in the coming weeks.
So with less than 2 months to go we all have no idea whats going on...

Removal of incentives from PHEV's is to be expected.

They were reduced in previous budgets (as well as hybrids).

They are reducing/removing reliefs from BEV's over a certain value.

You can see the writing on the wall... remove incentives gradually in this order... hyrbid, PHEV, BEV.
Ramp up taxes on higher polluting cars.

So, PHEV's are due another cut from the budget.

And subsequent budgets are inevitably going to be the same with BEV's being the last ones with any grant/vrt-relief still being given.... i'd say by 2025 all grants will be gone for BEV... maybe sooner if it starts to become too expensive to finance it.


Its a balls for those ordering a hybrid/PHEV car for Jan 2021 alright though. They should have announced it at budget time.

Maximo23

I don't know what to do now, I could just wait and hope for the best or else they will allow me to order a mild-hybrid golf 8 style 150psi..
Also the pcp for e-hybrid is at 4.9% like the Golf GTE while the style is at 1.9% at the moment.

PaulRyan97

Maximo23 wrote: »

I don't know what to do now, I could just wait and hope for the best or else they will allow me to order a mild-hybrid golf 8 style 150psi..
Also the pcp for e-hybrid is at 4.9% like the Golf GTE while the style is at 1.9% at the moment.

Where did you get those figures from?

Maximo23

PaulRyan97 wrote: »

Where did you get those figures from?

Was giving by the Vw rep.

DaveyDave

Website is showing the Golf Style as 0% in the 211 offers section but the finance calculator does have an option for 1.9% and 4.9% now.

0% to 1.9% with a Golf Style DSG will add €30+ to the monthly payments which would be a big chunk of your discount. Higher interest with the eHybrid just widens the gap between them now. If I was paying extra over a 1.5 Golf I'd just go with a €38k ID.3 at 1.9%, might as well get a full EV for that money.

CoBo55

DaveyDave wrote: »

Website is showing the Golf Style as 0% in the 211 offers section but the finance calculator does have an option for 1.9% and 4.9% now.

0% to 1.9% with a Golf Style DSG will add €30+ to the monthly payments which would be a big chunk of your discount. Higher interest with the eHybrid just widens the gap between them now. If I was paying extra over a 1.5 Golf I'd just go with a €38k ID.3 at 1.9%, might as well get a full EV for that money.

But the ID 3 looks ridiculous..

CoBo55

CoBo55 wrote: »

But the ID 3 looks ridiculous..

Looks ridiculous, is that just because it's electric ? the Golf looks better why ?

Granted the interior of the Golf is a lot nicer.

The id.3 is really nice to drive though. Steering is light but that's the same with most car manufacturer these days including a 1 and 3 series.

CoBo55

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Looks ridiculous, is that just because it's electric ? the Golf looks better why ?

Granted the interior of the Golf is a lot nicer.

The id.3 is really nice to drive though. Steering is light but that's the same with most car manufacturer these days including a 1 and 3 series.

Don't be so childish it looks dreadful anyone who actually likes cars can see that. Interior and exterior the golf wins hands down. If I go EV next time around I'll go for the Enyaq.

CoBo55

CoBo55 wrote: »

Don't be so childish it looks dreadful anyone who actually likes cars can see that. Interior and exterior the golf wins hands down. If I go EV next time around I'll go for the Enyaq.

Childish ? it was a genuine question. Don't be an idiot.

If you like ultra boring then the Golf is your car, at least we agree the interior is miles better lol.

eagerv

Deleted User wrote: »

Childish ? it was a genuine question. Don't be an idiot.

If you like ultra boring then the Golf is your car, at least we agree the interior is miles better lol.

I actually prefer the interior of my base ID.3 to a base Golf, but I like a minimalist interior..

eagerv

eagerv wrote: »

I actually prefer the interior of my base ID.3 to a base Golf, but I like a minimalist interior..

I'm not so familiar with the base interior of the Golf but the ones I've seen were probably not the base they were much nicer than the id.3 anyway.

CoBo55

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Childish ? it was a genuine question. Don't be an idiot.

If you like ultra boring then the Golf is your car, at least we agree the interior is miles better lol.

Well the first part of your "genuine" question, smacks of a sulky baby type answer/question. Are you driving an I'd.3?

CoBo55

CoBo55 wrote: »

Well the first part of your "genuine" question, smacks of a sulky baby type answer/question. Are you driving an I'd.3?

No, take out the "d" and that's what I drive.

Kramer

Deleted User wrote: »

No, take out the "d" and that's what I drive.

Your BMW I3 is a PHEV though, so probably closer to the GTE or hybrid of the thread title, that the full fat BEV, ID.3.

But agreed the interior of the ID.3 is very budget & a big step down from an eGolf, IMO.
The exterior is OK & overall, I like it. If it wasn't for a Model 3, Mrs. K would be in an ID.3 now.

DaveyDave

It's purely personal preference but I think the ID.3 looks pretty good, especially with those 19" wheels. The front is a weak point and the interior is a bit 'trendy' for my liking but it's not a bad looking car. I like that it doesn't scream EV with little 16" wheels or a plastered over bumper like the Kona.

Getting back to the eHybrid. It's a good option over the 1.5 DSG for someone wanting a bit more power without spending an extra €8k or so for a GTE but I think 4.9% is going to be too high of a cost difference. The DSG and 1.5 aren't very popular options and the GTE being a more affordable option than a GTI also sells very low numbers.

Then you have to consider how many people will be swayed by the ID.3. I was firmly set on buying a 1.5 Golf next year while keeping an eye on the eHybrid. Now I'm firmly set on an ID.3 and will only consider the 1.5 if I absolutely have to for some reason.

Of course this is pure speculation, I'm interested to see proper PCP figures next year. I could be wrong. The eHybrid is still a good option, don't get me wrong, I just think the steep APR will hurt it.

CoBo55

DaveyDave wrote: »

It's purely personal preference but I think the ID.3 looks pretty good, especially with those 19" wheels. The front is a weak point and the interior is a bit 'trendy' for my liking but it's not a bad looking car. I like that it doesn't scream EV with little 16" wheels or a plastered over bumper like the Kona.

Getting back to the eHybrid. It's a good option over the 1.5 DSG for someone wanting a bit more power without spending an extra €8k or so for a GTE but I think 4.9% is going to be too high of a cost difference. The DSG and 1.5 aren't very popular options and the GTE being a more affordable option than a GTI also sells very low numbers.

Then you have to consider how many people will be swayed by the ID.3. I was firmly set on buying a 1.5 Golf next year while keeping an eye on the eHybrid. Now I'm firmly set on an ID.3 and will only consider the 1.5 if I absolutely have to for some reason.

Of course this is pure speculation, I'm interested to see proper PCP figures next year. I could be wrong. The eHybrid is still a good option, don't get me wrong, I just think the steep APR will hurt it.

I thought you were keeping your car and looking to refinance the settlement. Source: PCP thread.

DaveyDave

CoBo55 wrote: »

I thought you were keeping your car and looking to refinance the settlement. Source: PCP thread.

My partner will be buying the car so the plan is to refinance it until she is ready to clear the balance.

Maximo23

Got a call from VW and was told that the seai grant for the E-Hybrid will be available for 2021. Bit of good news.

Dayor Knight

I see that this is gone up about €1200 since March 1st, in latest VW price list, about 3%. P1sser. Haven't really looked at the rest of the Golf range to see if it's across the board.

Anyone go for one of these, any experience of lead times etc.? Are all VW prices gone up?

Marcusm

Dayor Knight wrote: »

I see that this is gone up about €1200 since March 1st, in latest VW price list, about 3%. P1sser. Haven't really looked at the rest of the Golf range to see if it's across the board.

Anyone go for one of these, any experience of lead times etc.? Are all VW prices gone up?

VAT went back up to 23% on 1/3/21.

PaulRyan97

Dayor Knight wrote: »

I see that this is gone up about €1200 since March 1st, in latest VW price list, about 3%. P1sser. Haven't really looked at the rest of the Golf range to see if it's across the board.

Anyone go for one of these, any experience of lead times etc.? Are all VW prices gone up?

Yeah that's the VAT change.

I ordered a GTE back in December, expecting to pick it up by the end of the month all going well. Got delayed somewhat due to Covid and the parts shortages.

PaulRyan97

Took delivery of mine yesterday, loving it so far. Collected it with about 8km range in the battery, did about 2.0l/100km average over 60km.

Brought it out last night with a nearly flat battery, in sports mode and being quite liberal with the acceleration, mixture of B roads and motorway and got about 5.5l/100km. I am very impressed, even when watching the dials I cannot audibly hear the engine switching on and off.

Dayor Knight

PaulRyan97 wrote: »

Took delivery of mine yesterday, loving it so far. Collected it with about 8km range in the battery, did about 2.0l/100km average over 60km.

Brought it out last night with a nearly flat battery, in sports mode and being quite liberal with the acceleration, mixture of B roads and motorway and got about 5.5l/100km. I am very impressed, even when watching the dials I cannot audibly hear the engine switching on and off.

Well wear.

PaulRyan97

Small update on this, done about 250km over the last 10 days (thanks to Covid not much driving is being done) but I seem to be averaging between 2-2.5l/100km. I think it should do better than this but I've been generally been leaving it in hybrid mode on country roads and switching to e-mode for urban areas.

In hybrid mode it seems to run the engine a lot more than I would expect, even in stretches where the car should be able to coast no problem such as driving downhill or something's even coming to a stop at a junction the engine will stay running.

I'm not sure if it's trying to use sat nav data or something but it's not doing a stellar job of picking the best power type at any given moment.

The battery range is quite good though, the indicated range seems accurate, maybe even a little on the conservative side. 50+km should be readily achievable assuming you're not absolutely gunning it.

DaveyDave

PaulRyan97 wrote: »

Small update on this, done about 250km over the last 10 days (thanks to Covid not much driving is being done) but I seem to be averaging between 2-2.5l/100km. I think it should do better than this but I've been generally been leaving it in hybrid mode on country roads and switching to e-mode for urban areas.

In hybrid mode it seems to run the engine a lot more than I would expect, even in stretches where the car should be able to coast no problem such as driving downhill or something's even coming to a stop at a junction the engine will stay running.

I'm not sure if it's trying to use sat nav data or something but it's not doing a stellar job of picking the best power type at any given moment.

The battery range is quite good though, the indicated range seems accurate, maybe even a little on the conservative side. 50+km should be readily achievable assuming you're not absolutely gunning it.

Do you use GTE mode much? If I remember correctly, with the Mk7.5 this kept a bigger minimum charge on the battery so hybrid was available at all times whereas normal mode would deplete the battery and run on the engine for the rest of a journey. GTE mode seemed to have better economy overall.

I'd love to know what sort of economy you'd get in just hybrid mode. Most posts about fuel consumption use as much EV as possible to get super low fuel consumption but I wouldn't be keen on charging a hybrid daily, at that rate just get an EV.

I've read a few posts online suggesting if left in hybrid mode a charge lasts as long as a tank of petrol, which would be good for those not wanting to charge every day.

PaulRyan97

DaveyDave wrote: »

Do you use GTE mode much? If I remember correctly, with the Mk7.5 this kept a bigger minimum charge on the battery so hybrid was available at all times whereas normal mode would deplete the battery and run on the engine for the rest of a journey. GTE mode seemed to have better economy overall.

I'd love to know what sort of economy you'd get in just hybrid mode. Most posts about fuel consumption use as much EV as possible to get super low fuel consumption but I wouldn't be keen on charging a hybrid daily, at that rate just get an EV.

I've read a few posts online suggesting if left in hybrid mode a charge lasts as long as a tank of petrol, which would be good for those not wanting to charge every day.

I think the equivalent of GTE mode on the MK8 would be just the combo of hybrid mode and have the driving mode set to sport. I've only used that very briefly so I couldn't give an accurate estimate, I'd be surprised if it proved more economical.

I did a 20km on hybrid mode the other day, mixture of country roads and urban driving and averaged about 4.0l/100km. Didn't use a whole lot of battery so I reckon you'd get decent economy even if you just charged it once or twice a week.