British Mother Irish Baby

ian_m

Hi

Seeking information regarding a new single Mum who is ordinarily resident in the UK with a UK passport. She recently gave birth in Ireland and is living in Ireland on her own with the baby. She is currently looking after herself financially but I am not sure how long this is sustainable. Can someone point me in the direction of what supports she maybe able to apply for as a UK citizen with an Irish child living in Ireland.

Lets just say she decides to stay here in Ireland, is it possible to apply for support even though she does not have any history of work? Is is possible to apply for support on the basis of her Irish child?

Hope I am in the right spot and someone can help or point me in the right direction, I was refereed here from the Legal Discussion threads. Thanks in advance.

SourSessions

I think satisfying habitual residence is going to be the biggest issue. After that, she could apply for OPF https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/social_welfare_payments_to_families_and_children/one_parent_family_payment.html

Cork_Guest

Sorry, I may be missing something or being heartless or thoughtless but if she’s normally resident in the U.K. and has a U.K. passport then why would she be availing of any benefits from the Irish state?

Confused as to ‘currently living in Ireland’ how so? If this isn’t sustainable then she can’t be working etc surely?

bobbyy gee

Same benefits
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/ireland_and_the_uk/residence_rules_UK_citizens.html

Cork_Guest

bobbyy gee wrote: »

Same benefits
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/ireland_and_the_uk/residence_rules_UK_citizens.html

Thanks, was aware of that just what doesn’t make sense is the ‘usually resident in the U.K. part. It reads like, yep gave birth while over here so what benefits can be gotten....there’s no explanation on the living here but not sustainable part. Like, won’t be renting etc as wouldn’t get a lease so staying with friends? And then thinking can I hang around in a benefit funded house etc.

As I say, I may be being a langer etc. Just doesn’t make much sense to me.

jmlad2020

ian_m wrote: »

Hi

Seeking information regarding a new single Mum who is ordinarily resident in the UK with a UK passport. She recently gave birth in Ireland and is living in Ireland on her own with the baby. She is currently looking after herself financially but I am not sure how long this is sustainable. Can someone point me in the direction of what supports she maybe able to apply for as a UK citizen with an Irish child living in Ireland.

Lets just say she decides to stay here in Ireland, is it possible to apply for support even though she does not have any history of work? Is is possible to apply for support on the basis of her Irish child?

Hope I am in the right spot and someone can help or point me in the right direction, I was refereed here from the Legal Discussion threads. Thanks in advance.

Did she have the baby here to avail of future EU citizenship for her child? Tis like the Mexicans fleeing to the United States

spurious

Being born here doesn't make you a citizen. Has the child's citizenship been established?

GerardKeating

spurious wrote: »

Being born here doesn't make you a citizen. Has the child's citizenship been established?

Yes,

Once a parent is either an Irish or British Citizen, then the child born here is an irish citizen.

stinkbomb

spurious wrote: »

Being born here doesn't make you a citizen. Has the child's citizenship been established?

It does if one or more of your parents is British. Child is automatically an Irish citizen.

And the mother is entitled to any of the same benefits available to an Irish mother in the same situation.

road_high

I understand someone fron the U.K. can use our Welfare systems same as an Irish person and this arrangement is reciprocal so long as they satisfy the usual conditions.

Graces7

road_high wrote: »

I understand someone fron the U.K. can use our Welfare systems same as an Irish person and this arrangement is reciprocal so long as they satisfy the usual conditions.

Indeed yes as I did and do. The main condition is " habitual residency". I had to prove I had severed my UK connections and had a permanent address and eg bank account here. NB that works for Irish folk in the UK too of course.

I have a friend who has dual nationality, Irish and English.

Her parents were Irish and lived here, but her father was a pilot during the war. He got shot down over the UK and was in hospital at an air base and her mother went to see him and my friend was born then. She has two valid passports etc.

NB I have lost any UK "rights" like voting as I have been away over 15 years.

FutureTeashock

Ireland is a Crown controlled territory so she won't have a problem claiming benefits here as a British Citizen.

theguzman

GerardKeating wrote: »

Yes,

Once a parent is either an Irish or British Citizen, then the child born here is an irish citizen.

So if for example an British woman with no connection to Ireland and a Nigerian man had a child and the baby was born in Dublin would that baby be an Irish Citizen? That makes no sense and I thought that one parent had to be an Irish Citizen. The referendum back in 2004 was to get rid of Anchor babies like that I thought.

Surely in the above scenario the child of the couple would assume British citizenship from the mother and be eligible for to live in Ireland under the Common Travel Area, the Nigerian father would have had EU treaty rights before, but now that UK had left the EU not anymore assumedly.

Cork_Guest

Cork_Guest wrote: »

Thanks, was aware of that just what doesn’t make sense is the ‘usually resident in the U.K. part. It reads like, yep gave birth while over here so what benefits can be gotten....there’s no explanation on the living here but not sustainable part. Like, won’t be renting etc as wouldn’t get a lease so staying with friends? And then thinking can I hang around in a benefit funded house etc.

As I say, I may be being a langer etc. Just doesn’t make much sense to me.

Everybody needs those dual passports plus the benefits here compared to UK. Milky milky.

ian_m

spurious wrote: »

Being born here doesn't make you a citizen. Has the child's citizenship been established?

Not yet but moves are being made to establish the child as Irish.

robinph

Graces7 wrote: »

NB I have lost any UK "rights" like voting as I have been away over 15 years.

No you haven't.

If you are Irish living in the UK, or a UK citizen living in Ireland you are considered as if you are a local in all respects...except UK citizens don't get a vote in Irish referendums or for the president. Irish citizens living in the UK have exactly the same rights, and votes, as UK citizens living in the UK.